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Re: Poor R-Wingers: Scotty McClellan Sells Them Out
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2008, 04:17:58 AM »
Lemme see, believe 1 disgruntled ex employee, or the vast majority of the Global Intelligence agencies, the NIE, the Prior administration, and a whole host of Intelligence agents intimate with the information.  Ooooooo, this is a hard one.  But I do look forward to such documents & tapes.  Currently there are......0, right?

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What about Richard Clark?  That would make 2 disgruntled employees, wouldn't it?

Oh yeah, and then there's that Paul O'Neill guy.  Still that's only 3 disgruntled employees.

But then that Scott Ritter guys says their liars too.

And Paul Bremer kind of tried to drop hints that Bush and the gang were liars when his book came out.

And wasn't Scooter like put in jail for obstruction of justice?  That's like lying right?

Of course, there have been a lot of polls lately that show that the majority of the public believes that the "administration" lied about their reasons for the war.  'Course they're not really on the inside and have nothing to base that opinion on other than being brainwashed by the media right?

And didn't the guy who headed up the search for WMD in Iraq before the war say that Bush and the gang wanted to go to war no matter what?

There sure are a lot of sourgrapers out there just lying about the Bush "administration".  Wonder why that is?

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« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2008, 05:30:52 AM »
Lemme see, believe 1 disgruntled ex employee, or the vast majority of the Global Intelligence agencies, the NIE, the Prior administration, and a whole host of Intelligence agents intimate with the information.  Ooooooo, this is a hard one.  But I do look forward to such documents & tapes.  Currently there are......0, right?

 ::)

What about Richard Clark?  That would make 2 disgruntled employees, wouldn't it?

Oh yeah, and then there's that Paul O'Neill guy.  Still that's only 3 disgruntled employees.

But then that Scott Ritter guys says their liars too.

And Paul Bremer kind of tried to drop hints that Bush and the gang were liars when his book came out.

And wasn't Scooter like put in jail for obstruction of justice?  That's like lying right?

Of course, there have been a lot of polls lately that show that the majority of the public believes that the "administration" lied about their reasons for the war.  'Course they're not really on the inside and have nothing to base that opinion on other than being brainwashed by the media right?

And didn't the guy who headed up the search for WMD in Iraq before the war say that Bush and the gang wanted to go to war no matter what?

There sure are a lot of sourgrapers out there just lying about the Bush "administration".  Wonder why that is?

And still no proofs ?

Sells books , that is a lot of temptation.

Only President Bush is held to such a standard , what President never did lie?

An ability to lie is practicly on the job description.

And with several people well motivated by the availibility of payment that they odviously want , there is still no proof .

Suppose Barak Obama is caught in ONE lie , .... disqualified?

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« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2008, 09:09:58 AM »
It seemed like they were lying to me when they were lying about all the horrible weapons Saddam was supposed to have acquired under a very heavy set of restrictions. Saddam was not competent at much of anything except staying in power, so it sure didn't seem he was competent.

It is pretty damn clear that Juniorbush and Cheney were lying like rugs from the git-go. Now thousands are dead and have been driven out of their homes, their lives wrecked forever because these lies were believed. And then there are the thousands of US servicemen maimed and turned into vegetables for life because of these incompetent, stubborn, lying ratbastards.

But Plane thinks that this is all right because he suspects that Obama might, at sometime in the future, tell an untruth.
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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2008, 10:05:39 AM »
Well let see, Brass has about 4, sirs has about 400+, when you add on all the politicos and intelligence agents refuting the lied us into war garbage.  Yea, that's a toughie, but I think I'm still going to have to go with the 400+ with the much greater intimate knowledge of the situation
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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2008, 10:12:20 AM »
FOUR HUNDRED people say that Juniorbush did not lie?

I doubt that this is anywhere close to accurate.

Observe that the truth is not true because of it being put to a vote.

Things are true because they are true. The truth is independent of polls and opinions.

For centuries, it was believed by a majority that disease was caused by demons.


You have apparently established another important rule for Sirsball.
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Re: Poor R-Wingers: Scotty McClellan Sells Them Out
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2008, 10:17:14 AM »




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Re: Poor R-Wingers: Scotty McClellan Sells Them Out
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2008, 10:32:43 AM »
When not even your flunkies are loyal, you have a problem.
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If you consider McClellan to be a Judas, then that would make Juniorbush a JESUS? :D :D :D

Are you seriously arguing that Juniorbush is the Messiah? A Perfect Being? ::) ???

That would make Olebush, as Juniorbush's father the Supreme Being. Or at least, a respected carpenter.

Let us all pause for a moment as we consider the possibility that Barbara Bush is the Blessed Virgin... ::)

From your poster, we have been made aware that there are ample Swiftboaters waiting in the wings.

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Re: Poor R-Wingers: Scotty McClellan Sells Them Out
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2008, 10:34:20 AM »
FOUR HUNDRED people say that Juniorbush did not lie?

I doubt that this is anywhere close to accurate.

Considering your level of "obvious", I seriously doubt your supposition.  My "400" was an arbitrary #.  Could be alot more.  But I'm presuming to add up the members of the prior administration who were on record as to believing what the state of Saddam's WMD were, the NIE, the nations leaders who's intel agencies also told them what they believed the state of Saddam's WMD were, those intel agencies & their agents as well.  Considering simply the # of congress critters we have, 400 is probably too low a #, but I was going to be conservative


Observe that the truth is not true because of it being put to a vote.  Things are true because they are true. The truth is independent of polls and opinions.

Yet strangely it's the left and anti-war folks who keep referencing polls regarding those who are against the current war or think the president lied us into war, as if that's proof.  While folks like myself will reference actual people who have had access to such intel and official conclusions made from it, such as the NIE, outside of the 3-4 Brass has referenced.  Imagine that
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Re: Poor R-Wingers: Scotty McClellan Sells Them Out
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2008, 11:00:39 AM »
Lookit.

Everyone KNOWS that Juniorbush was dead wrong about the WMD's. There was no threat of WMD's being launched against the USA.

The allegation that the war was essential to defend the USA was totally bogus.

It is bloody obvious to all but the lamest of mind and the dullest of wit than what happened was that the data was cherry-picked to favor invasion. Juniorbush was planning to invade Iraq from the moment of his unfortunate selection to the presidency, and used the 9-11 attacks and the outrage against them as a motivation to get the sheeple to agree to his warmongering.

If there was such an agreement in world opinion that invading Iraq was desirable, then why did not France, Spain, Canada, Mexico or any Arab state, agree to it?

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Re: Poor R-Wingers: Scotty McClellan Sells Them Out
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2008, 11:59:21 AM »
Lookit.   Everyone KNOWS that Juniorbush was dead wrong about the WMD's.

Let's correct statement #1:  Everyone knows NOW, that the Global intelligence agencies, the current administration, the prior administration, the NIE, the UN, and a multitude of Foreign leaders were "dead wrong about the WMD's."


There was no threat of WMD's being launched against the USA.

Let's correct statement #2:  There was NEVER a threat of Iraq attacking the U.S. with WMD, and was NEVER the reason we went into Iraq


The allegation that the war was essential to defend the USA was totally bogus.

That's just plain wrong, as it was an essential step, given what everyone THOUGHT they knew at the time, and following the events of 911


If there was such an agreement in world opinion that invading Iraq was desirable, then why did not France, Spain, Canada, Mexico or any Arab state, agree to it?

They had no 911 happen to them
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« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2008, 12:06:40 PM »
As Brass very sagely pointed out, this exposure of the Bush regime's criminal pattern of lies and deceptions goes much deeper than Scott McLellan.  Richard Clark, Paul O'Neill, Scott Ritter, Scooter Libby, Paul Bremner, the list seems to be running kind of long for such a truthful, honest administration.  One by one, the whistle-blowers pop up into the spotlight, enjoy their 15 minutes, and then fade away. 

Lying politicians and their supporters know that they can count on this collective public amnesia, aided by a cooperative MSM.  Not once in the media coverage I've seen of Scott McLellan was any mention made of any of his predecessor whistle-blowers (or of Scooter for that matter) and the focus was exclusively on Scott McLellan, as if he were the only one ever to have come forward:  Was Scott lying or telling the truth?  Why would he lie?  Why would he wait until now?

I believe that the list of whistle-blowers, plus the example of the Scooter, is more than enough evidence of a lying and corrupt administration whose lies were deliberate and calculated to embroil the nation in a disastrous war, the cost of which has been estimated at OVER three trillion dollars plus a few thousand dead morons.  Mostly American morons, I hasten to add.  I'd mention also the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, but they apparently don't seem to count for much in these calculations.  It's not as if they were actually human beings, I guess, in the eyes of those who favour this war.

As each insider steps forward to reiterate what most of us already know - - that Bush and his crew lied the country into an unnecessary disaster, the cost of which is becoming more apparent with every passing day - - the last-ditch defenders of the criminal administration predictably begin shrilling the usual "disgruntled ex-employee" and "book sales" lines that are about the only "defences" left to them.  My question to them is:  Why THIS administration?  Did no previous administration leave ex-employees in its wake, some gruntled and some disgruntled?  Why does this administration have SO MANY lying, back-stabbing, book-flogging disgruntled ex-employees?  Did it hold some particular attraction for the treacherous and the greedy?  Was there no market for tell-all political books prior to the 21st Century?

The questions of course are rhetorical, underlining the absurdity of these truly desperate and pathetic attempts to defend the indefensible.

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Re: Poor R-Wingers: Scotty McClellan Sells Them Out
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2008, 12:11:57 PM »
"Everyone KNOWS that Juniorbush was dead wrong about the WMD's.
There was no threat of WMD's being launched against the USA"



"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them[/b]."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country[/b]."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force "if necessary" to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

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Re: Poor R-Wingers: Scotty McClellan Sells Them Out
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2008, 12:17:47 PM »
"Everyone KNOWS that Juniorbush was dead wrong about the WMD's.
There was no threat of WMD's being launched against the USA"
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Against this quote - - largely true, of course allowing for the literal universality of the rhetorical "everyone" - - CU4 marshalls an apparently diverse collection of quotes from people NOT in the Bush administration who seem to go along with the farce.

Closer inspection reveals that all of these folks are Clinton administration officials.  DEMACRATS if you will.

Wittingly or not, IMHO, CU4 has just delivered a powerful indictment of the so-called "two-party" system in the U.S.A.  The pathetic fact is that there is no "two-party" system where foreign policy is concerned.  There is a War Party/Military-Industrial Complex Party/Republocrat Part or whatever you want to call it, which has been bought off and remains the property of the special interests (armaments, Big Oil, Finance, Zionism) which pay for it.  At the fringes of this single party stand a few hapless outriders with virtually no chance of ever exerting any influence whatsoever on national affairs - - Dr. Ron Paul in the Republican wing of the party and Dennis Kucinich in its Democratic wing.  (There are others of course - - Ted Kennedy, Chuck Hagel come to mind - - but effectively the two parties follow the same path.)  Truly oppositional points of view (Nader, Chomsky) are well outside either of the so-called mainstream political parties.

None of this is meant to excuse the Bush administration for its deliberate lies and deceptions.  Whatever bullshit the Democrats may have had to spout to appease the Zionist and other lobbies, they did not take the country to war on their lies.  They committed other crimes and atrocities (Serbia for example) but none of them turned out to be the financial, political and humanitarian disaster that this one Iraqi war has become.
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Re: Poor R-Wingers: Scotty McClellan Sells Them Out
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2008, 12:42:22 PM »
I have been looking and looking , where does Scott McLellan actually say that George Bush was lieing?


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" Everyone KNOWS that Juniorbush was dead wrong about the WMD's. "

Maybe, but that is  diffrrent  than lieing.

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« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2008, 01:29:50 PM »
<<I have been looking and looking , where does Scott McLellan actually say that George Bush was lieing?>>

I didn't see the book, but from the media coverage, I gather that he says Bush used "propaganda" to "manipulate" the people into the war.  I take it that "propaganda" is something less than truth and "manipulation" is something less than honest argument.

It's good enough for me.  If a leader tells his country they needed to go to war and people died because they went along with him, I'd expect the truth and and honest argument from him on that and anything less would be a lie.

No matter, I'm sure the die-hards will still defend what Bush did.  Good luck to them.