Neil Gaiman on Free Speech

[Plane]

Many of Goya's works are on display at the Museo del Prado. Two of Goya's most famous pictures, shown above, are known as The Clothed Maja and The Nude Maja (La Maja vestida and La Maja desnuda). They depict the same woman in the same pose, clothed and naked respectively. La Maja Vestida was painted after outrage in Spanish society over the previous Desnuda. He refused to paint clothes on her, and so simply created a new painting.

http://www.arthistoryclub.com/art_history/Francisco_Goya


The Maja doesn't bother me , but the Saturn devouring his children does.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Maja doesn't bother me , but the Saturn devouring his children does.
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You should see his Desastres de guerra etchings.

[Plane]

The Maja doesn't bother me , but the Saturn devouring his children does.
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You should see his Desastres de guerra etchings.

Ouch , they are pretty severe.
http://www.lnb.lt/lnb/content/print.jsp?docLocator=110

Probably realistic too, Napoleon does not get all the criticism he really deserves , the Napoleonic wars were a mess.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The thing about the Napoleonic invasion of Spain was that Napoleon's brother José Bonaparte was far less oppressive in every way that the Spanish Bourbon kings he replaced, Fernando VII and his son Carlos. Bonaparte abolished the Inquisition and the Autos da fe that followed heresy trials, he encouraged freedom of thought and even gave Spain its first constitution. But the people were severely brainwashed and identified Napoleon with godlessness and even Satan.

Goya managed to continue as a court painter for Bonaparte and Carlos IV when he returned. In his famous painting of the royal family, Carlos looks like a total halfwit and his son looks exactly like Godoy, the prime minister. The Queen looks like a witch. The royal family loved the painting, nevertheless.
This painting is included in the Wikipedia listing for Goya.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_de_Goya
 Many of Goya's paintings are quite in harmony with expressionism. There are few that had his genius.
 

[Universe Prince]

Interesting that there are five times as many rapes in Alaska as in West Virginia. Perhaps it has something to do with the difference in society. In Alaska, people live with fewer relatives, and often families may work these things out without resorting to the cops.

Have you got something to back up that pronouncement?

So, if it is conclusively proven that porn LOWERS the violent sex crime rate, should the government distribute it for free as a public benefit? Suppose it is shown that fewer subscriptions to Hustler and similar magazines  would cost a third as much as jailing sex offenders, then could it be considered a law to lower expenditures and therefore taxes?

Or maybe the government could just get out of the way. Sheesh.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Interesting that there are five times as many rapes in Alaska as in West Virginia. Perhaps it has something to do with the difference in society. In Alaska, people live with fewer relatives, and often families may work these things out without resorting to the cops.


Have you got something to back up that pronouncement?
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Why, yes I do, and so do you:

If YOU had read the the link  http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php.
YOU would have seen this statistic.
As I said I find it surprising

[Amianthus]

If YOU had read the the link  http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php.
YOU would have seen this statistic.

Funny, that link shows 3.8 times as many rapes, not 5 times as many.

[Plane]

If YOU had read the the link  http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php.
YOU would have seen this statistic.

Funny, that link shows 3.8 times as many rapes, not 5 times as many.

I am always suspicious of such comparisons , because there is no way to measure a diffrence in rates of reporting and coverup.



Where the real diffrence might be the presence or absence of an energetic prosicutor ,or a cultural diffrence that slows reporting , the rate by itself isn't enough to know.

Simularly rates for bribery or any other crime that the public really hates.

[Universe Prince]

Interesting that there are five times as many rapes in Alaska as in West Virginia. Perhaps it has something to do with the difference in society. In Alaska, people live with fewer relatives, and often families may work these things out without resorting to the cops.


Have you got something to back up that pronouncement?
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Why, yes I do, and so do you:

If YOU had read the the link  http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/06/rape-porn-and-criminality-political.php.
YOU would have seen this statistic.
As I said I find it surprising

No, genius, the other pronouncement.