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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on January 27, 2011, 02:26:44 PM
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Someone in the administration didn't consider all the angles with this slogan
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President Obama's new slogan is "Winning the Future."
To Sarah Palin, it's "WTF."
Palin used the acronym at least three times last night in discussing Obama's State of the Union speech on Fox News. WTF is also a phone text-driven phrase used to avoid spelling out the f word; it stands for "what the (blank)."
"There were a lot of WTF moments through that speech," the 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate told Fox's Greta Van Susteren.
Palin used the phrase in reference to Obama's discussion of the federal debt, and his claim that the U.S. faces a "Sputnik moment" when it comes to technology and innovation challenges from other countries.
Obama used variations of "Winning the Future" several times throughout his speech. At one point, he said: "If we want to win the future -- if we want innovation to produce jobs in America and not overseas -- then we also have to win the race to educate our kids."
The president, by the way, isn't the first politician to use the phrase "Winning the Future."
Palin's fellow Republican Newt Gingrich entitled one of his books Winning The Future: A 21st Century Contract With America.
Palin also said that rather that Sputnik, the nation should declare "a spudnut moment," referring to the name of a Washington state coffee shop: "A family-owned business not looking for government to bail them out and to make their decisions for them. It's just hard-working, patriotic Americans in this shop."
Here are some of Palin's WTF comments:
His theme last night in the State of the Union was the "WTF," you know, "Winning the Future." And I thought, "OK, that acronym, spot on." There were a lot of "WTF" moments throughout that speech, namely, when he made the statement, Greta, that he believed that we can't allow ourselves to, I guess, eventually become buried under a mountain of debt. That right there tells you he is so disconnected from reality! The problem is, we are buried under a mountain of debt, and jobs cannot be created by the private sector. We cannot grow and thrive and prosper as a nation when we are buried under this $14 trillion debt.
And, later:
That was another one of those WTF moments, when he so often repeated this Sputnik moment that he would aspire Americans to celebrate. And he needs to remember that what happened back then with the former communist USSR and their victory in that race to space, yes, they won, but they also incurred so much debt at the time that it resulted in the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union.
So I listened to that Sputnik moment talk over and over again, and I think, No, we don't need one of those. You know what we need is a "spudnut" moment. And here's where I'm going with this, Greta. And you're a good one because you're one of those reporters who actually gets out there in the communities, find these hard-working people and find solutions to the problems that Americans face.
Well, the spudnut shop in Richland, Washington -- it's a bakery, it's a little coffee shop that's so successful, 60-some years, generation to generation, a family-owned business not looking for government to bail them out and to make their decisions for them. It's just hard-working, patriotic Americans in this shop
WTF? (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/01/palin-changes-obamas-winning-the-future-phrase-/1)
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The problem is, we are buried under a mountain of debt, and jobs cannot be created by the private sector. We cannot grow and thrive and prosper as a nation when we are buried under this $14 trillion debt.
Why not?
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Good question (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/obama-birth-location/msg117486/#msg117486)
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No answer is your answer?
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Apparently (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/obama-birth-location/msg117479/#msg117479), since I'm just following (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/obama-birth-location/msg117481/#msg117481) the link I provided (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/obama-birth-location/msg117486/#msg117486)
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oh. ok
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I guess I'll just keep patiently waiting.....I guess
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Reminds me of "Waiting for Godot". Are you familiar with the work?
Nevermind.
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Ummmm, ok. I'll just keep waiting patiently I suppose. Just giving you the benefit of the doubt......at least until that's gone
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Waiting patiently is fine, if that is where your comfort zone is.
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I kinda don't have a choice. It's my question that remains unanswered
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Quite the dilemma.
Please ask the precise and specific question again. Perhaps you will get an answer.
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Multiple times asked, already (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117662/#msg117662)
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Apparently you don't follow instructions well.
Please ask the precise and specific question again. Perhaps you will get an answer.
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Apparently you don't follow links well, which specifically addressed your instructions (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117684/#msg117684)
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I am going to make a fortune.
Buy my WTF button!
Democrats support the President by wearing the Win the Future Button.
Other than Democrats Mock the President by wearing the WTF button!
Everyone needs one of these,
Now pardon me while i go and establish copyright on "WTF".
WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF
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sirs is a master of questions so vague that it is not clear WTF he is asking.
Fortunately, he is also a master of saying how he is waiting, waiting waiting for the answer.
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While Xo is the master of deflection and snark. All bow, to the master
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Apparently you don't follow links well, which specifically addressed your instructions (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117684/#msg117684)
The question must not be that important to you , if you can't resubmit it. I'm not going to play guessing games.
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Nothing to guess it, when I pointed it specifically to you, multiple times, per your "instructions". If its a matter as to you not wanting to concede how wrong you were, perhaps I can understand now the acute reluctance to answer
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Nothing to guess it, when I pointed it specifically to you, multiple times, per your "instructions". If its a matter as to you not wanting to concede how wrong you were, perhaps I can understand now the acute reluctance to answer
If I don't know what you are asking, I certainly can't answer. Really it is that simple.
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And if you can't follow a link, that provides you precisely the question(s) being asked, per your "demand", I certainly can see why you wouldn't
Yes, it really is that simple
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No question, no answer. Next.
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Close....more accurately, Questions provided (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117662/#msg117662), no answer. Deflect and run
But at least I can understand why, at this point.
Unless of course, you've had an acute recent onset of some form of dysfunction, that leaves you completely incapable of following a link. If that's the case, I hope you can recover soon
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Close....more accurately, Questions provided (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117662/#msg117662), no answer. Deflect and run
But at least I can understand why, at this point.
Unless of course, you've had an acute recent onset of some form of dysfunction, that leaves you completely incapable of following a link. If that's the case, I hope you can recover soon
I really see no point in chasing down links, multiple links at that, just because you feel like wasting everyone's time by choosing to not simply restate the question.
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sirs appears to enjoy being a martyr for his vague questions. (sigh) The world wilkl continue being imperfect, just because sirs vague question was not answered to his demanding specifications.
I am thinking that sirs' questions are like Nixon's secret plan for Peace with Honor in Vietnam: eternally nonexistent.
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Close....more accurately, Questions provided (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117662/#msg117662), no answer. Deflect and run
But at least I can understand why, at this point.
Unless of course, you've had an acute recent onset of some form of dysfunction, that leaves you completely incapable of following a link. If that's the case, I hope you can recover soon
I really see no point in chasing down links, multiple links at that, just because you feel like wasting everyone's time by choosing to not simply restate the question.
Nothing to "chase down". You're not being asked to go google something. The links specifically presented the questions that still remained unanswered by you. So, if you want to plead "laziness" so be it. Though the time you've already spent on this set of responses kinda refutes that. If you want to mischaracterize this as you not being provided a question, the links rebutt that
Which brings us full circle (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117713/#msg117713), and more likely the real reasons you're avoiding any answering. I really wasn't going to go beyond your 1st response, in this thread. But when you tried to pull the "no answer is an answer" crud, that just begged the need to demonstrate you doing precisely the same
And still are
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if you can't restate the question, i can't help you. And you can read into that what you will.
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If you refuse to follow the link that provides the question, that's what speaks volumes. And everyone else can read into that, as they will
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Yeah that's it.
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Finally, concensus
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Consensus on what?
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::) That that's it (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117730/#msg117730)
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i disagree
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Your words, not mine. Your time and energy avoiding any answering of a specific question, not mine
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Your time and energy avoiding any answering of a specific question, not mine
That is an outright lie.
I have repeatedly asked you to restate the question.
You refuse.
Providing links to links which lead to more links is not a restatement.
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So, now you're going to drop to the levels of Tee and lie about a non-existant lie? The very first links provided would take anyone DIRECTLY to the question(s) asked. The refusal, is all you
Wow, you really are a piece of work
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So, now you're going to drop to the levels of Tee and lie about a non-existant lie? The very first links provided would take anyone DIRECTLY to the question(s) asked. The refusal, is all you
Wow, you really are a piece of work
I repeatedly asked you to restate the question.
So What the Fuck is the question?
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I repeatedly provided you the precise link to it. So, when the frell are you going to answer it?
If you wish, you can even answer it in the thread (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/obama-birth-location/) you originally didn't answer it from
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I repeatedly provided you the precise link to it. So, when the frell are you going to answer it?
If you wish, you can even answer it in the thread (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/obama-birth-location/) you originally didn't answer it from
I am not going to answer i question i have to go hunting for.
Either ask it in this thread or go fuck yourself.
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That would be a lie (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117662/#msg117662), since you never had to "hunt" for it. It was provided, in reply#4, before you even "demanded" it, and subsequently there-after (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117662/#msg117662). The specific questions, per your "instructions". You merely ignored it, and still are. Choices, have repercussions, don't they
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See #39
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See #40 (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/wtf/msg117751/#msg117751)
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i did . thus #41,. but if you can't be bothered to restate the question and if you insist on having the last word, have at it.
I'm done with this thread.
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No problem. Just needed to clarify your blatant lie, is all
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What blatant lie?
You certainly didn't restate the question.
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The lie is this supposed need you had to go "hunting for it", when I couldn't have linked it any better, even BEFORE you demanded it
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how many links in #4?
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3, with the 2nd 2 largely repeating a request to answer the 1st one. That is for anyone that wanted to spend less than 1 second to click on them, and less than a minute to answer them, vs eons of bandwith, time, and energy claiming how the question(s) were supposedly never posed, and tragically stooping to the level of pulling out the lying card as the apparent last resort of misdirection
Sorry, no hunt, in that dog
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3, with the 2nd 2 largely repeating a request to answer the 1st one. That is for anyone that wanted to spend less than 1 second to click on them, and less than a minute to answer them, vs eons of bandwith, time, and energy claiming how the question(s) were supposedly never posed, and tragically stooping to the level of pulling out the lying card as the apparent last resort of misdirection
Sorry, no hunt, in that dog
So two of the links were bogus. and you say to characterize that as having to hunt for the question is a lie? And the 1st link was answered by#38 in the first thread.
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No, that would be another lie, since 2 of the links were referencing a request to answer the original question....debunking the notion that no question was ever asked, or that you had to go "hunt"for it.
Your 2nd lie is that my question was supposedly answered in response 38, when I debunked that in 39. It remains unanswered I'm arfraid
You really want to keep going down that hole??
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Yeah let's go down that hole.
In the recording did you hear Bush apologize for the sign or did he simply express regrets for putting the sign up in the first place?
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No, you answer my question, since we already addressed the semantic misdirection of regret vs apologise (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/obama-birth-location/msg117479/#msg117479).
How did you get So now you misrepresent what President Bush said. You really are a piece of work from ...especially in how it (his "mission accomplished" moment) was taken out of complete context....and still is, when referring to your video on Bush??
Your hole awaits
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What was the purpose of the sign, as you understand it?
What did Bush say was the purpose of the sign, as you heard him?
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Let's try this again, before answering the deflective questions
How did you get So now you misrepresent what President Bush said. You really are a piece of work in response to ...especially in how it (his "mission accomplished" moment) was taken out of complete context....and still is, when referring to your video on Bush??
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Let me try this again.....with an effort to tone my end down
Bt, please demonstrate what form of logic you used to get So now you misrepresent what President Bush said. You really are a piece of work in response to ...especially in how it (his "mission accomplished" moment) was taken out of complete context....and still is, when I was referring to your video on Bush??
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Did he say it was taken out of context?
Did he whine that it still is?
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1 last time.......You made this grand misrep proclaimation...piece of work even. Now, how did YOU get to that from ...especially in how it (his "mission accomplished" moment) was taken out of complete context....and still is
THAT's one of the questions that still remains unanswered, that you had this whole hissy fit over, and STILL remains unanswered
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If he didn't claim that the mission accomplished sign was taken out of context why claim he did?
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BECAUSE I NEVER SAID HE SAID SUCH
Good gravy Bt, what the frell is wrong with you?? Where in blazes did you get that notion from? No wonder you've been SO WRONG on this. You just assumed I had to be referring to Bush as claiming such. Again, why?? Why make such a bone headed assumption?? Not once, have I ever even inferred such. The taking out of context is what's been done by the MSM and pathologic BDS'ers. That's what I've said ALL along
So, the answer to my question, is that you apparently made an egregious boneheaded assumption, minus anything to validate it in the 1st place, except of course, a predisposed position that sirs must be wrong, end of story
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BECAUSE I NEVER SAID HE SAID SUCH
Good gravy Bt, what the frell is wrong with you?? Where in blazes did you get that notion from? No wonder you've been SO WRONG on this. You just assumed I had to be referring to Bush as claiming such. Again, why?? Why make such a bone headed assumption?? Not once, have I ever even inferred such. The taking out of context is what's been done by the MSM and pathologic BDS'ers. That's what I've said ALL along
So your post was not in response to the video i posted. It was just an unrelated observation?
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No, it was in response to the video, but specific to the point, I've made all along, regarding how his mission accomplished moment has, and still is taken completely out of context
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No, it was in response to the video, but specific to the point, I've made all along, regarding how his mission accomplished moment has, and still is taken completely out of context
Ah my bad. your use of ellipsis threw me off. i regret jumping to conclusions.
President Bush: "I Regret" Mission Accomplished Sign ...especially in how it was taken out of complete context ...and still is
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ahhhhh, I see. Yes, it was my ........., and nothing to do with what I was concluding Bush was saying or even implying. The piece of work snark, really did throw me into a tizzy, of which I had no idea, why you, a person I generally highly respect, would throw it out, like you did
*whew*. Glad that's cleared up. Perhaps we can get back to a more civil dialog. I'll try harder
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ahhhhh, I see. Yes, it was my ........., and nothing to do with what I was concluding Bush was saying or even implying. The piece of work snark, really did throw me into a tizzy, of which I had no idea, why you, a person I generally highly respect, would throw it out, like you did
*whew*. Glad that's cleared up. Perhaps we can get back to a more civil dialog. I'll try harder
Just to be clear you weren't using Bush's voice when you typed "...especially in how it was taken out of complete context....and still is", were you?
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no, not even implied