Failure is success

[Kramer]

So we know for sure 25 people aren't sitting on their butts collecting the dole. They are out their applying for jobs, even if they don't qualify for them.

correct but

how many of these people were let go from their jobs for being dumb, fat and lazy, having poor attitude, therefore they had become dead weight in a highly competitive economy?

It isn't societies responsibility to shelter, clothe, and support these people. 6 Months of unemployment seems about right, not a year or more.

If the unemployment bennies were cut back to reasonable levels then more people would feel the pain sooner rather than later. Then the politicians would feel the pain too sooner and maybe get pushed towards better results. Right now politicians are looking for the easy way out, to ride this storm out and suffer the least of losses. I want the wrath of the people upon them. The politicians created this mess and they are trying to buy their way out by redistribution of wealth so less people are effected over all. What is happening right now is a magic show, smoke & mirrors, and the politicians are trying to protect their best interests, not ours. There are far to many people collecting unemployment yet working under the table for cash. There are far too many people not looking for work and going to the beach and casinos. There are far too many people that aren't trying to improve or change their profession. And there is no accountability, all they do is go online, and the checks roll in. No weekly forms to fill out or tracking of these peoples activities.

Life is tough, and when the going gets tough the tough get going. NONE of these people would survive if we were living back 100 years ago. The cream of the crop created this great nation not the worst of the worst. Losers need to be weeded out because they are stifling prosperity. Carrying these people isn't good for them or the rest of us. Harsh but true. Sorry.

[BT]

Do you think life insurance policy payouts should be means tested?

 

[Kramer]

Do you think life insurance policy payouts should be means tested?

 

Who is buying the policy?

I would say no.

Employees don't pay for unemployment insurance the employer does.

Why should you get unemployment and not me? I can't get it because I'm self-employed.

[BT]

Why should you get unemployment and not me? I can't get it because I'm self-employed.

I don't get it either . I have been self employed for 20 years.

But if i incorporated and had the corporation pay my salary, and paid the UI premiums, I could collect.

In the long run, it is cheaper to just save for the lean times.

But the point remains that no matter who pays the premiums, they were paid and workers who qualify are entitled to the claims.

If the fed thinks it is the country's best interest to extend the benefits period, that's on them, but it certainly happens during Republican as well as Democrat administrations and or congresses. And probably much cheaper than deploying the national guard to protect gated communities.

[Kramer]

Why should you get unemployment and not me? I can't get it because I'm self-employed.

I don't get it either . I have been self employed for 20 years.

But if i incorporated and had the corporation pay my salary, and paid the UI premiums, I could collect.

In the long run, it is cheaper to just save for the lean times.

But the point remains that no matter who pays the premiums, they were paid and workers who qualify are entitled to the claims.

If the fed thinks it is the country's best interest to extend the benefits period, that's on them, but it certainly happens during Republican as well as Democrat administrations and or congresses. And probably much cheaper than deploying the national guard to protect gated communities.

I'm asking for more accountability i.e. check on these people and see if indeed they are actively looking for work and not working for cash and collecting unemployment simultaneously. Have them spend weekends pulling weeds, picking up trash, or other labor for local and state government. Hey it sucks these days but there are too many people out there that just don't get it that life isn't a bowl of cherries. You see pictures of the Great Depression and boy oh boy I would not want to be there, compared to today where people are children of the state.

[BT]

I'm asking for more accountability i.e. check on these people and see if indeed they are actively looking for work and not working for cash and collecting unemployment simultaneously. Have them spend weekends pulling weeds, picking up trash, or other labor for local and state government.

I don't have a problem with seeking more accountability, but that will cost the taxpayers more than a self imposed honor system.

And forcing people to work for the state in order to receive benefits their previous employer already paid for seems wrongheaded and probably illegal. This isn't welfare, it is an insurance benefit, no different than a disability payment.

[Kramer]

I'm asking for more accountability i.e. check on these people and see if indeed they are actively looking for work and not working for cash and collecting unemployment simultaneously. Have them spend weekends pulling weeds, picking up trash, or other labor for local and state government.

I don't have a problem with seeking more accountability, but that will cost the taxpayers more than a self imposed honor system.

And forcing people to work for the state in order to receive benefits their previous employer already paid for seems wrongheaded and probably illegal. This isn't welfare, it is an insurance benefit, no different than a disability payment.

now you bring up disability. That is another thing that is abused to the hilt.

[BT]

That is another thing that is abused to the hilt.

I'm certain it is. But that shouldn't disallow honest people from collecting on policies they faithfully paid premiums upon, and yes that includes Social Security.

[Stray Pup]

That is another thing that is abused to the hilt.

I'm certain it is. But that shouldn't disallow honest people from collecting on policies they faithfully paid premiums upon, and yes that includes Social Security.

I actually know a woman who faked a back injury and has been collecting welfare for years.  She's a fraud and there is no way to prove it because back injuries are one of the easiest to fake (hardest for doctors to prove). 

But I agree with BT.  Just because dishonest people exist doesn't mean we should hold out on those who honestly need help.

[Kramer]

That is another thing that is abused to the hilt.

I'm certain it is. But that shouldn't disallow honest people from collecting on policies they faithfully paid premiums upon, and yes that includes Social Security.

now you bring up SS. Do they put that money away in a lock-box or just co-mingle it with the general fund?

[sirs]

That is another thing that is abused to the hilt.

I'm certain it is. But that shouldn't disallow honest people from collecting on policies they faithfully paid premiums upon, and yes that includes Social Security.

I actually know a woman who faked a back injury and has been collecting welfare for years.  She's a fraud and there is no way to prove it because back injuries are one of the easiest to fake (hardest for doctors to prove). 

But I agree with BT.  Just because dishonest people exist doesn't mean we should hold out on those who honestly need help.

Agreed....BUT.....this isn't an issue of NOT providing a safety net of unemployment benefits.  This is an issue of extending benefits currently in place. 

So, what shall we extend them to?......3 years?  How about 10years?  Someone should have a job by then, right?  What's 9+ years of we the tax payers paying for someone's unemployment benefits, right?

[Kramer]

That is another thing that is abused to the hilt.

I'm certain it is. But that shouldn't disallow honest people from collecting on policies they faithfully paid premiums upon, and yes that includes Social Security.

I actually know a woman who faked a back injury and has been collecting welfare for years.  She's a fraud and there is no way to prove it because back injuries are one of the easiest to fake (hardest for doctors to prove). 

But I agree with BT.  Just because dishonest people exist doesn't mean we should hold out on those who honestly need help.

Agreed....BUT.....this isn't an issue of NOT providing a safety net of unemployment benefits.  This is an issue of extending benefits currently in place. 

So, what shall we extend them to?......3 years?  How about 10years?  Someone should have a job by then, right?  What's 9+ years of we the tax payers paying for someone's unemployment benefits, right?

The Yugo is totaled, don't expect a BMW in it's place!

[BT]

This is an issue of extending benefits currently in place.

Yes it is, otherwise the fed would not be involved. And i think you extend the benefits until the economy shows real signs of recovery, which believe it or not, these benefits help towards reaching that goal.

[Kramer]

This is an issue of extending benefits currently in place.

Yes it is, otherwise the fed would not be involved. And i think you extend the benefits until the economy shows real signs of recovery, which believe it or not, these benefits help towards reaching that goal.

kinda like spending your way out of a recession.

[sirs]

This is an issue of extending benefits currently in place.

Yes it is, otherwise the fed would not be involved. And i think you extend the benefits until the economy shows real signs of recovery, which believe it or not, these benefits help towards reaching that goal.

Extending literally exacebates the current condition of the economy, spending money we don't have.  So no, you don't extend them, as we already have benefits in place