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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2006, 03:34:50 AM »
So to helll with the Children. You have political fish to fry. Is that the gist of your position?

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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2006, 03:53:13 AM »
Your thinking is very, very confused.  How would attacking Clinton at this point in time have ANY relation to protectinig the children?  Clinton is out of office.  Get it?  Out of office.  Nobody can save a single child by attacking Clinton.

Hastert, a slimy crook who failed to protect children in the Marianas, failed again to protect them in Washington DC, is STILL in a powerful position and still needs to be dealt with.

WHAT political fish am I frying when I ask that this miserable excuse for a human being be removed from power before still more occasions arise when children in need of protection are once again failed by Dennis Hastert?  It is, I am afraid, YOU, who are pursuing political goals - - at the expense of "the children" - - by defending this creep so loyally, making sure that when other children need protection, they can be sure that once again Dennis Hastert will blow them off if the Party's interests  require it.  YOU are the one whose attitude is most closely approximated by "To hell with the children."  Not me.

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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2006, 03:25:03 PM »
I don't see how my thinking is confused.

Your stated problem was the exploitation of child sex workers in Saipan.

The primary customers of these sex workers were US Military personnel.

My point was that this could have very easiliy been handled by the Executive Branch at the time.

My question was, why wasn't it? You tarnish Hastert by linking him to Abramoff directed PAC donations.

Who was bribing the Clinton Admin?

They apparently did not do all they could do to put a stop to it, and they had the power to do it.

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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2006, 03:42:26 PM »

"Forced Abortions & Sweatshops: A Look at Jack Abramoff's Ties to the South Pacific Island of Saipan & How Tom DeLay Became An Advocate for Sweatshop Factory Owners"
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BRIAN ROSS: Essentially what he accomplished was to stop legislation, which is easier to do than to get it through. He was able to block legislation that would have changed the labor and immigration laws in Saipan and made it illegal to have these kinds of contracts. You couldn't have a contract like that in Los Angeles or anyplace else of the United States where the flag flies. But you could in Saipan. That was the loophole they were trying to close under the Clinton administration.

And in fact, when people at the Department of Interior attempted to do that, DeLay actually tried to introduce a bill to cut off funding for that particular section of the Department of Interior, to stop them from essentially backing the workers’ claims. And it became an ugly situation on Capitol Hill. And DeLay and others, but DeLay in particular, were involved in blocking the legislation and making sure that that status quo continued on Saipan. []
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/04/1524256
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'In the late 1990s, the Clinton adminstration wanted to apply US labor laws to the Marianas Islands, to prevent sweatshop labor and forced prostitution.

The businessmen on the islands wanted Tom DeLay to make sure no changes passed Congress. DeLay did.

Then Tom DeLay was House Majority Whip. Today DeLay is the House Majority Leader. '
http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2005_05_16_conservative_con_tom_delay_denies_his_corruption.asp

Armey and DeLay, opposing a Clinton administration proposal to bring the Marianas under U.S. minimum wage and immigration laws, wrote a letter last year to Gov. Frolian Tenorio (the top Marianas official who was replaced last month by a relative, Pedro Tenorio). They assured Tenorio they would block any move to reform the Marianas' unique wage and immigration laws.

The administration's proposed changes, they wrote, "are counter to the principles of the Republican Party, and this Congress has no intention of voting on such legislation."wpe7.jpg (4011 bytes)

Given their clout in the majority party, Armey and DeLay have made good on that promise. An aide to U.S. Rep. George Miller, a California Democrat who has been active in exposing the truth about the Marianas, says he hasn't even been able to get a hearing scheduled on the matter.

The trips DeLay and the five senior Armey staff members have made to the islands have been on the Marianas government's tab, trips typically costing $4,000 to $6,000 per person. Most got rooms at the Hyatt Regency Saipan, a $250-to-$2,500-a-night luxury hotel that, as its Web site seductively notes, "lies on 14 acres of lush tropical garden, lagoons, and a magnificent beach," with amenities such as a championship golf course and snorkeling above coral reefs.

The Nation, which published an article last month appropriately titled "Congress' Beach Boys," pointed out that more than 70 congressional and party officials--mostly Republicans--have traveled to the island on these all-expenses-paid trips over the last two years, along with squadrons of conservative journalists and think-tank types. The magazine described the trips as a "lavishly funded public relations effort by the island's governor...Numerous junketeers have come back singing the praises of the [Marianas]."

Perhaps none more brazenly than DeLay.
Returning last month from his fact-finding trip, a mission on which he took his wife and daughter and got in two rounds of golf at the first-class Lao Loa Bay Golf Resort, DeLay blasted critics of what he called Saipan's "free market success." He went on to explain how he wants to use a set of Chinese-owned sweatshops on a far-off U.S. territory--factories manned by low-paid Chinese or Sri Lankan indentured servants living in squalor--as a model for Mexican labor camps here on the mainland.

He told a reporter for the Guam-based Pacific Daily News that the workers' barracks "by some U.S. standards could be criticized," but the garment factories he toured were air-conditioned and clean.

"I didn't see anyone sweating," DeLay said, reportedly with a laugh.
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http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Armey/news2.html

Plus many, many other articles when you enter the words- Clinton tried to change labor laws Northern Marianas- into Google.
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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2006, 03:55:04 PM »
The question still remains as to why Clinton did not either issue an executive order addressing the matter or in his capacity as commander in chief declare offending clubs off limits. EIther one woud hve put the matter to rest.

He didn't.

Why?



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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2006, 06:01:49 PM »
The question still remains as to why Clinton did not either issue an executive order addressing the matter or in his capacity as commander in chief declare offending clubs off limits. EIther one woud hve put the matter to rest.

He didn't.

Why?




Mayhap he was busy fighting off Repub lunatics and trying to stop terrorism to think of it?

I know it's a dumb answer, but your trick question is dumber.


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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2006, 09:00:55 PM »
I fail to see why you would label my question as a trick.

And yeah that was a pretty dumb answer, but it was probably the best you had.



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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2006, 09:24:28 PM »
<<The question still remains as to why Clinton did not either issue an executive order addressing the matter or in his capacity as commander in chief declare offending clubs off limits. EIther one woud hve put the matter to rest.

<<He didn't.

<<Why?>>

I have no idea why he didn't.  All I know is that he was trying to rectify the situation in the way that seemed best to him and he was blocked in his efforts by Hastert.

UNDOUBTEDLY, Dennis Hastert did not single-handedly create the moral cesspool that is better known as the United States of America, its government and its armed forces. 

BUT:  when push came to shove, Hastert failed to protect the exploited children of the Marianas sex trade as he failed to protect the pages.  In the one case for financial gain, in the other for Party interests.  He's an immoral piece of shit and he's a key leader of the Republican Party.

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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2006, 10:47:45 PM »
Again, Hastert is but one man in a body of 435 so he had no direct control over the Marianna's issue.

Clinton, as President, did.

Hastert may be scum of the earth for all i know, but this flimsy rap you are trying to lay on him, just doesn't cut it.


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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2006, 12:40:07 AM »
<<Again, Hastert is but one man in a body of 435 so he had no direct control over the Marianna's issue.>>

Gee.  Abramoff must be a real dumb schmuck to get his clients to give all that dough to a nebbish like Hastert who couldn't do jackshit for them.  You're absolutely right - - he IS only one man in a body of 435.  What was I thinking?  What was Abramoff thinking?  It's too bad Abramoff couldn't have learned from you how Washington really works - - coulda saved himself and his clients a bundle.

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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2006, 01:02:06 AM »
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It's too bad Abramoff couldn't have learned from you how Washington really works - - coulda saved himself and his clients a bundle.

Perhaps i should open up a consultancy.

The thing about lobbyists is they sell their access to politicians. One way to get access is to direct contributions to the politicians campaigns or favorite PAC. They can't guarantee results, nor should they.

On the other hand Clinton had his legacy to look after and what better legacy than ending child sex trade in at least one corner of the world.

"Stroke of the pen, law of the land, cool huh? " This from Paul  Begala, Clinton Advisor.

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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2006, 02:26:23 AM »
So this situation is still going on ?

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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2006, 03:02:09 AM »
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So this situation is still going on ?

Far as i can tell it is. Hard to be certain as google seems inundated with Mariana's links and Abramoff, mostly from left blogs and forums. Little mention of the UN or Clinton or Bush or the myriad other countries that have these same practices, like Thailand or Costa Rico or even the trade from the former Soviet Union.

This seems to be another in a long line of big noise campaigns, long on finger pointing and short on doing something for the kids.

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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2006, 03:15:54 AM »
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So this situation is still going on ?

Far as i can tell it is. Hard to be certain as google seems inundated with Mariana's links and Abramoff, mostly from left blogs and forums. Little mention of the UN or Clinton or Bush or the myriad other countries that have these same practices, like Thailand or Costa Rico or even the trade from the former Soviet Union.

This seems to be another in a long line of big noise campaigns, long on finger pointing and short on doing something for the kids.



When the house is on fire it is not good to have a fight in the living room about whether the guy that poured the lighter fluid is more guilty than the guy that struck the match. Evacuate the building , put out the fire and then discuss the chicken and egg arguments.

If the President had the power to restrict the access to these clubs when the President Was Clinton  , then the President must still have this power now that the President is Bush.  How hard is it to bring to his attention the need?

I am not convinced that Hastert , Clinton or Bush can actually end prostitution anywhere , but if there was action in concert between the partys and the branches of government some effect on such severely egregious circumstances might be accomplished.

Might as well suggest this to the present President BT .

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Re: Abramoff Paid Hastert to Protect Child Prostitution
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2006, 03:55:05 AM »
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Might as well suggest this to the present President BT

Sure,  why not.

But i suspect that the day after he signs the executive order we will see someone complaining that Bush is pandering to the religious right.