DebateGate

yes, attack the messenger if all else fails
thats as funny as when they attacked Governor Arnold about his father
maybe JFK should have never been President because his father's anti-Semitism
hey it's easier that dealing with the attitudes of people that don't want their countries invaded by illegals
if someones wants the laws of the United States enforced, well imply they are a racist, and that will maybe silence them
it would be like every time the ACLU is mentioned to announce that the founder of the ACLU once stated "Communism is the goal"
but then js that would be as lame as your argument

that terrible old blackwater:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=66b_1192304186

Immigration

Home Affairs correspondent reports. 
 

A report published today tells us just how much better migrant workers are than British workers and how they have boosted the economy by 6 billion . . . well it would wouldn't it, because it comes from the very same Government that has flooded this country with a million migrant workers over the last three years.

But the positive spin on the headlines of the joint Treasury, Home Office and Work and Pensions study on migrant workers is undermined when the report's small print is read and the social cost of this immigration is revealed.

* It acknowledges that the impact of Eastern European migrants has increased pressure on housing and seen a rise in crime, health and education problems.

* It acknowledges that now one-in-eight workers in Britain's labour force is born overseas.

* It acknowledges that British workers are being passed over by employers because migrants from Eastern Europe will work for noticeably less and the Low Pay Commission confirms that migration has led to a dampening of wage growth for native workers?.

* It acknowledges that in the East Midlands and Scotland there is now a serious housing shortage with pressure on affordable private housing and rent levels rising due to migrant workers filling accommodation.

* It acknowledges that our schools are having to change timetables to provide extra lessons for the children of migrant workers who can't speak English.

* It acknowledges that local councils are seeing translation costs spiral out of control in order to provide services for the newcomers.

* It acknowledges increased pressure on A&E departments and a higher incidence of HIV and TB among non-EU migrants.

* It acknowledges increases in low-level crime such as anti-social behaviour.

The 6 billion economic boost is also not as it seems. Western Union reports that many Polish workers send up to 60% of the money they earn in Britain back to their families in Poland so these earning don?t boost the British economy. The Government is also vague as to who actually benefits from the 6 billion, so I shall shed some light on this - it is greedy bosses who are increasing their profits by using cheap labour, and private landlords who are buying up the homes that should be going to British first time buyers and filling them with migrant workers.

And finally the Government claims we benefit because of the tax that migrant workers pay. That is nonsense. Most migrant workers end up not paying any tax at all because they work here for nine months, then go back home and claim their tax back through firms that specialise solely in securing tax rebates for migrant workers. They then return and do it all over again.

Let's just hope the British people see through the Government and media?s "6 billion boost spin" and realise the real cost to this country of allowing unrestricted immigration.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/reg_showarticle.php?contentID=2793

Government finally admits: Immigration IS placing huge strain on Britain
By JAMES SLACK


 
17th October 2007

Immigrants are placing a huge strain on public services, Labour finally admitted.

Crime is up, schools are struggling to cope with Eastern European children, community tensions are rising, health services
are coming under enormous pressure and house prices are being driven up, the Government said.

The findings, based on a survey of public sector workers, are the first published by ministers after ten years of an 'open door' immigration policy.

Immigration Minister Liam Byrne said it was clear communities were 'unsettled' - and a 'new balance' should be struck between the needs of the economy and society in general.

Those questioned for the survey said busy A&E departments in the East of England, North Lincolnshire and Southampton were being used in place of doctors' surgeries. HIV and TB were singled out as diseases specifically linked to immigration.

Workers in the North West, South West and Scotland all warned of increased 'community tensions' in areas unused to large- scale immigration.

Critics have accused the Government of giving no thought to the strain being placed on schools and hospitals, as ministers focussed solely on boosting the economy with cheap workers from overseas.

Movre recently, they have been afraid to gauge the scale of the problem after woefully underestimating the number of arrivals from Eastern Europe.

Now, after finally carrying out the research, the scale of social impact has been revealed - albeit in what ministers admit is 'patchy' detail.


The report, to be presented to the Government's new Migration Impacts Forum today, fails to put figure on the full cost to society of mass immigration - which is increasing the population by 200,000 every year.

A Home Office study found that migrants helped to grow the economy by ?6billion last year. But experts said this did not mean they had boosted GDP per head, a crucial measure.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said the report 'confirms what everyone knows but what Labour have been in denial about - that immigration has a real impact on the housing and public service infrastructure'.

Mr Byrne said: 'The pace of change, particularly in communities that do not have a history of absorbing migrants, has been unsettling and has created challenges for public services.

'This new approach will help us take migration decisions in a new way, starting with our policy towards Romania and Bulgaria.'

Citizens of the two former Communist countries had restrictions imposed when they joined the EU in January this year, limiting the number of work permits to 20,000.

These are due to be reviewed by the end of this year and Mr Byrne said this would be the first decision in which the Government would seek to strike a 'new balance'.

He appears certain to say the restrictions should remain in place. The final decision will be taken by Cabinet in the next few weeks.

Mr Byrne said the impact on public services would also be taken into account when ministers decide how many work permits to give to migrants from outside the EU, when a new points-based system is introduced next year.

Matthew Elliott, chief executive of the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: 'This report clearly shows that immigration is having a massive impact on public services at a local level.

'Ministers are finally admitting that, in certain areas, immigration is causing higher crime, poorer educational provision and overstretched healthcare.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=488005&in_page_id=1770

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(wow look at the current bid amount)

i sware i am not president bush
after some of my posts and predictions just yesterday
and then watching the president's press conference today
i can see how someone might think i am president bush 


Bush warns of World War III if Iran goes nuclear 
 
Oct 17 11:45 AM US/Eastern
 





US President George W. Bush said Wednesday that he had warned world leaders they must prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons "if you're interested in avoiding World War III."

"We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," Bush said at a White House press conference after Russia cautioned against military action against Tehran's supect atomic program.

"So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," said Bush.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071017154505.rci3xjja&show_article=1

"Why do you think that, and why would that be a good thing?"

be advised i am only speaking for myself
what works for me is only for me
i am not attempting to say "my path" should be your path or anyone elses
i am not attempting to say "my path" is superior in any way to yours
it's just for me
i am not trying to convert or convince
thats not my role nor my desire
lastly i don't pretend to have all the answers, but imo nobody does, they may pretend they do, or even think they do, good for them i say


"Why do you think that, and why would that be a good thing?"

because imo god is speaking to a wide audience
to an audience of many ages
to an audience of many maturity levels
to an audience of different cultures
to an audience of many different centuries
and to be honest i believe "the truth", "the way" is actually ambiguous


and btw, I HOPE HILLARY IS NOT LYING AND WOULD ATTACK IRAN