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3DHS / Re: oh my the left pacifist will love this
« on: October 16, 2007, 10:38:28 AM »
"so you have something agianst pacifist?"

no really, more like pity, because i believe most of them suffer from mental illness

saying christ has wrong to turn the other cheek?

exactly the opposite
imo "turn the other cheek" is a challenge to pursue justice rather than take vengeance

10817
3DHS / oh my the left pacifist will love this
« on: October 15, 2007, 10:12:05 PM »
which is it?
is hillary lying or would she attack iran?



Clinton would use violence against Tehran

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Monday October 15, 2007

Hillary Clinton today moved to secure her position as the most hawkish Democrat in the 2008 presidential race, saying she would consider the use of force to compel Iran to abandon its nuclear programme.

In an article for Foreign Affairs magazine intended as a blueprint for the foreign policy of a future Clinton White House, the Democratic frontrunner argues that Iran poses a long term strategic challenge to American and its allies, and that it must not be permitted to build or acquire nuclear weapons."If Iran does not comply with its own commitments and the will of the international community, all options must remain on the table," Ms Clinton said.

Elsewhere, Ms Clinton took the edge off her steely posture by saying she would abandon the Bush administration's policy of isolating its enemies, and would deploy diplomacy.

"True statesmanship requires that we engage with our adversaries, not for the sake of talking but because robust diplomacy is a prerequisite to achieving our aims."

She says she would even consider offering incentives to Iran in return for a pledge to disarm. However, she sets out a series of stringent conditions that are virtually identical to current White House policy.

"If Iran is in fact willing to end its nuclear weapons programme, renounce sponsorship of terrorism, support Middle East peace, and play a constructive role in stabilising Iraq, the United States should be prepared to offer Iran a carefully calibrated package of incentives," Ms Clinton wrote.

The article, the latest in a series of position papers from the leading Democratic and Republican contenders for the White House, offers a glimpse at Ms Clinton's efforts to appeal to Democrats seeking a repudiation of the current regime's world view when they begin voting in primaries next January, as well as to the broader electorate that will vote in November 2008.

It arrives only days after Ms Clinton was severely criticised by her Democratic rivals for backing a Senate resolution calling on the US government to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guards, the elite division of Tehran's military, a terrorist entity.

The measure has been argued strenuously by the vice-president, Dick Cheney, and other neocons, but such a sweeping designation does not appear to have the support of the state department.

Ms Clinton was the only Democratic candidate to support the resolution, and her rivals said her vote could help the Bush administration make a future case for war against Iran.

Unlike the five other candidates to sketch out their vision of foreign policy to date, Ms Clinton gave little indication of her comprehensive world view.

However, she pledged to avoid the "ideologically blinkered" policies of the current presidency. "Avoid false choices driven by ideology," she wrote.

On Iraq, Ms Clinton offered a small variation on her promises on the campaign trail, saying she would instruct her Pentagon chief and other military leaders to draw up a withdrawal plan within 60 days of her inauguration. However, she would consider leaving behind a residual force in the Kurdish areas of northern Iraq.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/hillaryclinton/story/0,,2191830,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront



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3DHS / Re: Al Gore & Cow Flatulence
« on: October 15, 2007, 05:23:17 PM »
re: Numbers 5 through 9 are not "errors" at all. It is simply an opinion that there's not enough data to make a conclusion either way

is this more of the "define is" logic?

it is an error to present something as a fact if there is not enough data to make a conclusion either way

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3DHS / Re: Air Infidel: "The Only Way To Travel"
« on: October 15, 2007, 04:15:05 PM »
re: Religion is at the present time, not among the major causes of violence

i realize the question was not directed at you, but
that is not an answer to the question
but a nice change of subject to avoid answering
anything to deny reality right?

10820
3DHS / Speaking of Healthcare, How 'bout pulling your own teeth?
« on: October 15, 2007, 04:12:30 PM »
English 'pull own teeth' as dental service decays

AFP - Monday, October 15 12:19 pm

LONDON (AFP) - Falling numbers of state dentists in England has led to some people taking extreme measures, including extracting their own teeth, according to a new study released Monday.

Falling numbers of state dentists in England has led to some people taking extreme measures, including extracting their own teeth, according to a new study released Monday.

Others have used superglue to stick crowns back on, rather than stumping up for private treatment, said the study. One person spoke of carrying out 14 separate extractions on himself with pliers.

More typically, a lack of publicly-funded dentists means that growing numbers go private: 78 percent of private patients said they were there because they could not find a National Health Service (NHS) dentist, and only 15 percent because of better treatment.

"This is an uncomfortable read for all of us, and poses serious questions to politicians from patients," said Sharon Grant of the Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health.

Overall, six percent of patients had resorted to self-treatment, according to the survey of 5,000 patients in England, which found that one in five had decided against dental work because of the cost.

One researcher involved in compiling the study -- carried out by members of England's Patient and Public Involvement Forums -- came across three people in one morning who had pulled out teeth themselves.

Dentists are also concerned about the trend.

Fifty-eight percent said new dentists' contracts introduced last year had made the quality of care worse, while 84 percent thought they had failed to make it easier for patients to find care.

Almost half of all dentists -- 45 percent -- said they no longer take NHS patients, while 41 percent said they had an "excessive" workload. Twenty-nine percent said their clinic had problems recruiting or retaining dentists.

"These findings indicate that the NHS dental system is letting many patients down very badly," said Grant.

"It appears many are being forced to go private because they don't want to lose their current trusted and respected dentist or because they just can't find a local NHS dentist."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20071015/tuk-britain-health-dentists-a7ad41d_1.html

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3DHS / Re: Air Infidel: "The Only Way To Travel"
« on: October 15, 2007, 03:58:23 PM »
"I agree that there is a segment of Islam with militant extremism that uses terror and violence as a weapon"

God it is like pulling teeth getting you to admit the obvious.

Lets try to take baby step # 2.

Do you agree that this segment of Islam is by far the worst as far as violence in today's world of all the major religions?

That in today's world no other major religion even comes close to having this scale of violence within it of people being motivated by the religion to carry out violence.

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3DHS / Re: Al Gore & Cow Flatulence
« on: October 15, 2007, 03:53:48 PM »



10823
3DHS / Is "Hate" A One Way Street?
« on: October 15, 2007, 03:31:59 PM »
October 15, 2007

The hate that dares to speak its name at GWU

Young America's Foundation is the terrific organization that, among other things, supports conservative students on college campuses with speakers and conferences. We haven't gotten around to covering the outrageous events of the past week at George Washington University that involve YAF. We asked YAF's Jason Mattera for a recap, which he has kindly provided. Jason writes:

The President of The George Washington University, Steven Knapp , came out swinging when he thought that conservative students had hung pernicious, anti-Muslim fliers around campus. "There is no place for expressions of hatred ?. We do not condone, and we will not tolerate the dissemination of fliers or other documents that vilify any religious, ethnic or racial group," he said in a statement released to the media. The Executive Vice President of the Student Association called the acts "heinous" and said that he "would support expulsion."

Emblazoned on the much-reported fliers were the words "Hate Muslims? So Do We!!" The fliers went on to stereotype an Arab Muslim as having "lasers in eyes," "hatred for women," a "suicide vest," and a "hidden AK-47." The ads were maliciously attributed to Young America's Foundation.

Seven leftist students have since come forward to take credit for creating and posting the fliers. One of the students, Brian Tierney, is a self-described socialist who fantasizes about lining up George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Paul Wolfowitz in front of a firing squad. Another student, Adam Kokesh, is currently being prosecuted for defacing public property during an anti-war rally. Overall, the GWU seven aren't the sharpest utensils in the drawer. They claimed the flier was "expos[ing] the upcoming Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week sponsored by the GWU Young America's Foundation for the celebration of racism that it is." Leaving aside for a moment the fact that Islam isn't a race, these students charged conservatives with racism, and then to buttress those baseless claims, these same radicals manufactured actual racist material to pin on the young conservatives.

So far, President Knapp has been less than enthusiastic about taking any type of disciplinary action now that liberals have been revealed to be the culprits. "We have established judicial policies and procedures," University spokeswoman Tracy Schario said. "I am confident that President Knapp will let them take their course."

What about not "condon[ing]" and "tolerat[ing] the dissemination" of hate? All of a sudden the administration is concerned about due process? Yet when the fliers were first spotted, Young America's Foundation students were dragged into an administrator's office, presumed guilty, pressured?unsuccessfully?to sign a statement disavowing hate speech that may originate from any of their future events, and hauled before a University "Peace Forum" where they were jeered at by fellow students.

So much for due process!

I'm sure if Muslims were the intended target of the fliers, President Knapp would've probably announced plans to build a multimillion-dollar mosque on campus, Imams would be hired as visiting professors, prayer rugs would be imported from Saudi Arabia, and the school would institute a new study abroad program to Mecca.

Alas, conservatives were the target, so President Knapp's wrath has subsided, and his clarion call for justice is no more. And that means that the political profiling of conservatives continues for another day.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/10/018758.php


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3DHS / Re: Air Infidel: "The Only Way To Travel"
« on: October 15, 2007, 03:23:00 PM »
re: "Where did I do that?"

So you are denying that you basically attempt to equate all the religions by saying/implying
things like "there are extremist/violence that comes from all religions"?

Instead of me wasting time going back and trying to find your posts, lets do it this way.

JS do you agree that in todays world (ya know the one we live in) there is no other religion like Islam that has within it's midst, such a huge, well funded, organized, extremely violent and dangerous sect that is killing, murdering, torturing, and maiming innocent civilians in the name of the religion? In todays world the other religions like Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, have nothing in scope or on par with the violence coming from within Islam and people carrying out these deeds with the primary motivation being from the religion. Agreed?




The Empire State Building (currently New York's tallest following the
toppling of the twin towers) will be adorned with green light in honor of
Islam's Eid-al-Fitr.  If Muslims succeed in knocking it down too, then the
Chrysler Building would be the next in line to celebrate the "Religion of Peace".



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3DHS / Al Gore & Cow Flatulence
« on: October 15, 2007, 02:47:12 PM »


Killer cow emissions

Livestock are a leading source of greenhouse gases. Why isn't anyone raising a stink?
October 15, 2007

It's a silent but deadly source of greenhouse gases that contributes more to global warming than the entire world transportation sector, yet politicians almost never discuss it, and environmental lobbyists and other green activist groups seem unaware of its existence.

That may be because it's tough to take cow flatulence seriously. But livestock emissions are no joke.

Most of the national debate about global warming centers on carbon dioxide, the world's most abundant greenhouse gas, and its major sources -- fossil fuels. Seldom mentioned is that cows and other ruminants, such as sheep and goats, are walking gas factories that take in fodder and put out methane and nitrous oxide, two greenhouse gases that are far more efficient at trapping heat than carbon dioxide. Methane, with 21 times the warming potential of CO2, comes from both ends of a cow, but mostly the front. Frat boys have nothing on bovines, as it's estimated that a single cow can belch out anywhere from 25 to 130 gallons of methane a day.

It isn't just the gas they pass that makes livestock troublesome. A report from the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization identified livestock as one of the two or three top contributors to the world's most serious environmental problems, including water pollution and species loss. In terms of climate change, livestock are a threat not only because of the gases coming from their stomachs and manure but because of deforestation, as land is cleared to make way for pastures, and the amount of energy needed to produce the crops that feed the animals.

All told, livestock are responsible for 18% of greenhouse-gas emissions worldwide, according to the U.N. -- more than all the planes, trains and automobiles on the planet. And it's going to get a lot worse. As living standards rise in the developing world, so does its fondness for meat and dairy. Annual per-capita meat consumption in developing countries doubled from 31 pounds in 1980 to 62 pounds in 2002, according to the Food and Agriculture Organization, which expects global meat production to more than double by 2050. That means the environmental damage of ranching would have to be cut in half just to keep emissions at their current, dangerous level.

It isn't enough to improve mileage standards or crack down on diesel truck emissions, as politicians at both the state and national levels are working to do. Eventually, the United States and other countries are going to have to clean up their agricultural practices, while consumers can do their part by cutting back on red meat.

Manure, methane and McGovern

In a Web forum for presidential candidates in September, TV talk-show host Bill Maher asked former Sen. John Edwards a snarky question: Because Edwards had suggested that people trade in their SUVs to benefit the environment, and cattle generate more greenhouse gases than SUVs, "You want to take a shot at meat?" Maher asked.

Edwards wisely dodged the question. It is extremely hazardous for politicians to take on the U.S. beef industry, a lesson learned by Sen. George McGovern in the late 1970s when his Select Committee on Nutrition dared to recommend that Americans cut down on red meat and fatty dairy products for health reasons. After a ferocious lobbying blitz from meat and dairy interests, the committee rewrote its guidelines to suggest diners simply choose lean meats that "will reduce saturated fat intake." McGovern was voted out of office in 1980, in part because of opposition from cattlemen in his home state of South Dakota.

Beyond the dangers of taking on the beef bloc, legislating food choices is an unpopular and nearly impossible task, so it's unlikely any candidate will endorse a national vegetarian movement to fight global warming any time soon. There are other approaches, though.

Cows and other ruminants have four stomachs, the first of which, called the rumen, is where the trouble lies; bacteria in the rumen produce methane. Scientists -- mostly in Australia, New Zealand and Britain, where the problem is taken a lot more seriously than it is here -- are working on a variety of technical solutions, including a kind of bovine Alka-Seltzer. Scientists are also trying to develop new varieties of feed grasses that are more energy efficient and thus generate less methane, and they are experimenting with targeted breeding to produce a less-gassy strain of cattle.

But it's not just about the belching. Livestock manure also emits methane (especially when it's stored in lagoons) and nitrous oxide, better known as laughing gas. There's nothing funny about this gas: It has 296 times the warming potential of carbon dioxide, and livestock are its leading anthropogenic (human-caused) source. The best way to reduce these gases is to better manage the manure; storage methods and temperature can make a big difference. The California Air Resources Board is studying manure-management practices as part of a sweeping effort to identify ways of cutting greenhouse-gas emissions, work that by the end of next year might lead to regulation of the state's ranches and dairies. Other states should do the same.

There are also smart ways of treating or converting animal waste. Manure lagoons can be covered, capturing gases that can be used to generate power or simply be burned away (burning the gases converts most of the emissions to CO2, which is far less destructive than methane). That's the strategy being pursued by American Electric Power Co., a gigantic utility based in Columbus, Ohio, whose coal-fired power plants make it the nation's biggest emitter of carbon dioxide. This summer, the company began putting tarps on waste lagoons at farms and ranches and sending the gases they capture to flares.

American Electric is under heavy regulatory pressure. Last week, it was on the wrong end of the biggest environmental settlement in U.S. history and agreed to spend up to $4.6 billion to clean up its smokestacks. Its work on manure is part of an experiment in carbon offsets; the company anticipates that someday Congress will cap the amount of carbon dioxide that can be emitted and allow polluters to trade pollution credits. As a previous installment of this series noted, that's a less effective way to combat global warming than carbon taxes, but the American Electric example shows that it would also direct the economic might of industrial polluters toward solving off-the-beaten-path problems such as livestock waste.

Other possible solutions include providing more aid to ranchers in places like Brazil, where forests are rapidly disappearing, to make cattle operations more efficient and thus decrease the need to cut down trees. Changes in farming practices on fields used to grow livestock feed could help capture more carbon. And U.S. agricultural policy is overdue for changes. Subsidies on crops such as corn and soybeans have traditionally kept the price of meat artificially low because these are key feedstocks.

Broccoli: It's what's for dinner

Such policy shifts and new technologies would help, but probably not enough. A recent report in the Lancet led by Australian National University professor Anthony J. McMichael posits that available technologies applied universally could reduce non-carbon dioxide emissions from livestock by less than 20%. The authors advocate another, fringe approach that has long been embraced by dietitians and vegans but is a long way from going mainstream in the United States: eating less meat.

Americans love beef. According to the 2000 census, the U.S. ranks No. 3 in the world in per-capita consumption of beef and veal (after Argentina and Uruguay), gorging on 100 pounds per year. We're also among the leaders in obesity, heart disease and colorectal cancer, and there is a connection -- fatty red meat has been linked to all of these conditions.

McMichael's idea isn't likely to gain much traction outside Australia; he proposes that developed countries lower their daily intake of meat from about 250 grams to 90 grams, with no more than 50 grams coming from ruminant animals -- that's less than 2 ounces, or half a McDonald's Quarter-Pounder.

Still, as evidence mounts that cutting back on beef would both improve our health and help stave off global warming, a campaign urging people to do so is clearly in order. It's understandable why political candidates are wary of bashing beef, but less understandable why environmental leaders with nothing to lose are reluctant to raise the issue. They would be more credible in targeting polluters if they were equally assertive in pointing out what all Americans can do to fight global warming, and at the very top of that list -- way ahead of more commonly mentioned approaches such as buying fluorescent lightbulbs or energy-efficient appliances -- would be eating less red meat.

A University of Chicago study examined the average American diet and found that all the various energy inputs and livestock emissions involved in its production pump an extra 1.5 tons of CO2 into the air over the course of a year, which would be avoided by a vegetarian diet. Thus, the researchers found, cutting out meat would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions than trading in a gas guzzler for a hybrid car.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture assesses ranchers, dairymen and producers of other commodities to pay for marketing campaigns to promote their products, raising millions of dollars a year and turning such slogans as "Got Milk?" and "Beef: It's What's for Dinner" into national catchphrases. This isn't quite tantamount to a government-mandated campaign to promote cigarette smoking, but it's close. The government should not only get out of the business of promoting unhealthful and environmentally destructive foods, it should be actively discouraging them.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-methane15oct15,0,1365993.story?coll=la-opinion-leftrail



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3DHS / Re: Air Infidel: "The Only Way To Travel"
« on: October 15, 2007, 02:40:07 PM »
re: "Don't you have another bigot cartoon to find?"

Don't you have more bigotry to spew?

Like your need to often equate current day violence coming from within Islam with other religions currently.

Don't you have more reality to deny so you and your fellow leftist can continue to live in fanatsy land?




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3DHS / Re: Air Infidel: "The Only Way To Travel"
« on: October 15, 2007, 02:26:26 PM »


I apologize.

No need, just you being wrong is enough for me.

They could fly on it they'd just have to go hungry through blatant discrimination!!

Gohleee they'd have to bring their own peanuts and miss out on that wonderful
airplane food? wow i wonder if thats worse than being beheaded for being an infidel?


"Bigot"

Denier of reality


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3DHS / Re: Air Infidel: "The Only Way To Travel"
« on: October 15, 2007, 01:59:01 PM »
"So, you realize that Jews who follow the kashrut could not fly on your "Infidel Airlines" either, right?"

WRONG AGAIN.
They could fly on the plane, they just would not eat what is served on the plane.

"Got to love blatant bigotry"

Got to love your blatant ignorance

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3DHS / Air Infidel: "The Only Way To Travel"
« on: October 15, 2007, 01:43:27 PM »




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3DHS / Re: British Author calls Militant Islam a "poisonous death cult"
« on: October 13, 2007, 06:33:20 PM »
re: They don't seem to be aware of the fact that the moderate Christians and neocon Jews
(do neocons count as moderates too or are they radicals?) have invaded Iraq


There is the equation the apologist must make, but it is blatently incorrect.

There is no equation, but the Left often tries to pretend there is.

The United States is indeed a mostly "Christian Nation" but they did not invade
Iraq or Afghanistan in the name of Christianity.

The reason the US and Coalition forces are in Iraq is a not a religious one.

On the other hand the Islamist are creating war "in the name of their religion".
Their motivation is religion.
The want to impose their religion.

There is no religion in todays world besides Islam with such a large group within it's midst that is
using the religion as a justification and text for attacking, murdering, bombing, threatening world peace,
and brutalizing people in the name of religion.




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