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McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« on: March 23, 2008, 01:22:18 AM »
McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
by Ed Stoddard

HOUSTON (Reuters) - John McCain's Phoenix pastor, Dan Yeary, is a folksy patriotic Southern Baptist who opposes abortion and believes homosexuality to be a biblical sin, but says Christians have an obligation to love such sinners.

That puts Yeary, who heads the church attended for the past 15 years by the Republican presidential candidate firmly in the U.S. Southern Baptist mainstream, and in line with the Republican Party.

He offers a sharp contrast to Democratic contender Barack Obama's former preacher Jeremiah Wright, who has stirred controversy with his fiery comments on race and America.

Obama had been seen by some analysts as having an edge over McCain on issues of faith because of his adult conversion experience and his ease in talking about his faith. But his own preacher has proven a political liability.

In a country where religion and politics often mix, 25 percent of American adults count themselves as evangelical Christians, giving them huge influence as the country heads to the November 4 presidential election to succeed President George W. Bush.

McCain draws some support from this group but many conservative Christians are uneasy with him because of his support for stem-cell research and his past criticism of leaders in the movement.

Yeary, pastor for the 7,000-member North Phoenix Baptist Church, professes little interest in politics and prefers to focus on preaching and spiritual guidance. But McCain's affiliation with Yeary will do him no harm in wooing support from the key Republican base of evangelical Christians.

"John and I are friends, he has called on me to minister to the family in times of challenge and difficulty," he told Reuters in a telephone interview

McCain, a former prisoner-of-war in Vietnam, was raised in the Episcopal Church but has been attending Yeary's church for about 15 years. Yeary declined to comment on McCain's reluctance to finally undergo a baptism ceremony, a key ritual of the faith.

"John and I are having continual dialogue about his spiritual pursuits," Yeary said.

In an interview last year with InsideCatholic.com, an on-line Catholic forum devoted to issues of faith, McCain said he liked Yeary's "message of reconciliation and redemption which I'm a great believer in."

"And so I began attending North Phoenix Baptist church and I'm grateful for the spiritual advice and counsel that I continue to get from Pastor Dan Yeary."

McCain, like his pastor, is staunchly opposed to abortion rights but Yeary said the pair had never discussed the issue.

"Have we talked about abortion? No," Yeary said. "I believe that abortion is wrong and I believe that it is a very, very poor choice ... I believe it should be outlawed."

The 69-year-old Yeary adheres to the Southern Baptist belief that gay marriage and homosexual relations go against Biblical scripture, hot-button issues for many in the United States.

"The Bible is pretty clear about it, in my opinion it specifically calls it a sin. I also am a sinner and you are a sinner. ... Did Jesus Christ love homosexuals? I'm sure he did," Yeary said


 Obama's preacher by contrast sparked howls of protest for his angry sermons over what he called racist America, charging that the September 11 attacks were retribution for U.S. foreign policy and claiming Washington was the source of the AIDS virus.

Wright was Obama's pastor in Chicago for two decades but the Illinois senator, locked in a tight battle with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination, distanced himself from Wright in a widely hailed speech addressing race issues earlier this week.

Obama would be the first black U.S. president.

"In the United States, the sacred cow is the concept of the nation -- someone who is a religious minister can say almost anything they want and not get into trouble in the political realm unless they go after the nation," said David Domke, a professor of communication at the University of Washington.

Yeary was sympathetic as a fellow pastor and said while he did not agree with Wright's comments, all preachers eventually got caught in the trap of their own exuberance.

"All preachers have a tendency to overstate because our passion is so intense. But I thought Obama did a fine job in response. He preserved his friendship with his pastor while disagreeing with him," Yeary said.

"I'm sure John McCain would probably say the same thing about me if he were asked 'So, do you agree with everything your pastor says?'" he added with a laugh

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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 11:59:27 AM »
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Yeary was sympathetic as a fellow pastor and said while he did not agree with Wright's comments, all preachers eventually got caught in the trap of their own exuberance.

"All preachers have a tendency to overstate because our passion is so intense. But I thought Obama did a fine job in response. He preserved his friendship with his pastor while disagreeing with him," Yeary said.

"I'm sure John McCain would probably say the same thing about me if he were asked 'So, do you agree with everything your pastor says?'" he added with a laugh
 

McCain's pastor seems a sharp contrast with most Right-wing punditry about the issue of Obama's pastor as well.
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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2008, 12:26:34 PM »
So am I supposed to vote against McCain because his pastor holds a Biblical view of homosexuality and is against gay marriage?  Or do I give McCain the benefit of the doubt that he may be of independent thought?

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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2008, 01:31:43 PM »
"So am I supposed to vote against McCain because his pastor holds a Biblical view of homosexuality and
is against gay marriage?  Or do I give McCain the benefit of the doubt that he may be of independent thought?"


Fatman, if McCain's pastor played such a huge role in McCain's life as mentor, adivsor, ect, for the last 20 years
as did Obama's, and one of McCain's major campaign themes was healing between the straight and homosexual
communities while at the same time McCain's pastor was angrily shouting from the pulpit divisive things about
homosexuality, demonizing homosexuals in the worst possible manner in front of little children, perpetuating hatred
even to the next generation then yes I would think you should consider your options, but if you notice right in the
article McCain's pastor talks about offering love towards homosexuals and about Christ's love of homosexuals. Obviously quite a contrast to the stuff Obama's pastor spews about people different from him.
No I don't think you'll see video of McCain's pastor angrily shouting "God Damn Homosexuals!".


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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2008, 01:44:09 PM »
So am I supposed to vote against McCain because his pastor holds a Biblical view of homosexuality and is against gay marriage?  Or do I give McCain the benefit of the doubt that he may be of independent thought?

With all due resepct Fatman, having a spiritual belief that's consistent with the Bible is a far cry from the politically & racially devisive hyperbole spewed by Reverend Wright.  I don't recall any passages, be it in the Old or New Testament that reference the evils of America, it's oppressive rich white people, and the evils of President Bush......unless you think Wright thinks Bush is the anti-Christ.  And as CU4 has referenced McCain's pastor is not his mentor.  So both the quality and the quantity of McCain's pastor are light years away from what Obama has embraced over the last 20+years.  It's a serious case of poor judgement (IMHO) that has a Presidential candidate, unwilling or unable to either have left said racist pastor's congregation, or at the very least try to help him ratchet down his rhetoric.  But to lay claim that this racist is your mentor, spiritual advisor, and was part of your campaign consultants, then try to say that you really missed all the bad sermons, is about as transparently weak as it can get.  And just reinforces to me how bad is judgement is and/or how typical a politician he is in pandering for future votes
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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2008, 01:50:33 PM »
Last i heard neither pastor is running for office.


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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2008, 02:06:24 PM »
Last I heard, judgement & character were integral in deciding on who would or would not be a good at running for office
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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2008, 02:12:03 PM »
So i guess choice of congregation should be scrutinized, like a religious test. I think that is unconstitutional, then again that would probably be a judgment call.

In essense what we have is a black candidate hanging out with blak people, and a white candidate hanging out with whites.

I'm thoroughly surprised that this this would occur.

Seems so counterintuitive.


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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2008, 02:52:07 PM »
So i guess choice of congregation should be scrutinized, like a religious test.


If it's discovered that the congregation's pastor is a racist, and that said candidate has embraced said racist as their mentor & spiritual advisor over the last 20+yrs, yea, it should be scrutinized


I think that is unconstitutional, then again that would probably be a judgment call.

Who ever claimed this was a constitutional matter??  Deflection effort??  I could a swore that for "me" it's all about judgement and character, neither of which are constitutional mandates to being elected President


In essense what we have is a black candidate hanging out with blak people, and a white candidate hanging out with whites.

Ummm, are you trying to imply that Obama is a racist because he's hanging out with a racist pastor??   :-\   tsk tsk tsk

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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2008, 04:25:33 PM »
Fatman, if McCain's pastor played such a huge role in McCain's life as mentor, adivsor, ect, for the last 20 years
as did Obama's, and one of McCain's major campaign themes was healing between the straight and homosexual
communities while at the same time McCain's pastor was angrily shouting from the pulpit divisive things about
homosexuality, demonizing homosexuals in the worst possible manner in front of little children, perpetuating hatred
even to the next generation then yes I would think you should consider your options, but if you notice right in the
article McCain's pastor talks about offering love towards homosexuals and about Christ's love of homosexuals. Obviously quite a contrast to the stuff Obama's pastor spews about people different from him.
No I don't think you'll see video of McCain's pastor angrily shouting "God Damn Homosexuals!".


From where I sit, I don't see much difference.  McCain has been in this congregation for 15 years by accounts.  15 years he's listened to how homosexuals are morally inferior, and how they shouldn't have the right to marriage/civil unions/whatever.  I seem to recall that McCain is pro civil union, one of the reasons why I would vote for him.  I don't tend to think who their pastor is is particularly important, otherwise he would lose my vote over this.  I don't think it really matters if he's running on a ticket espousing fraternity between homosexuals and straights.

Then again, that's just my opinion.

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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2008, 04:33:00 PM »
With all due resepct Fatman, having a spiritual belief that's consistent with the Bible is a far cry from the politically & racially devisive hyperbole spewed by Reverend Wright.  I don't recall any passages, be it in the Old or New Testament that reference the evils of America, it's oppressive rich white people, and the evils of President Bush......unless you think Wright thinks Bush is the anti-Christ.  And as CU4 has referenced McCain's pastor is not his mentor.  So both the quality and the quantity of McCain's pastor are light years away from what Obama has embraced over the last 20+years.  It's a serious case of poor judgement (IMHO) that has a Presidential candidate, unwilling or unable to either have left said racist pastor's congregation, or at the very least try to help him ratchet down his rhetoric.  But to lay claim that this racist is your mentor, spiritual advisor, and was part of your campaign consultants, then try to say that you really missed all the bad sermons, is about as transparently weak as it can get.  And just reinforces to me how bad is judgement is and/or how typical a politician he is in pandering for future votes

With all due respect sirs, if you held the spiritual belief consistent with the Bible in full, you would stone homosexuals to death, as that's what the Bible calls for.  I recognize your right to hold such a belief, and I don't believe that a spiritually legitimate belief is grounds for homophobia, but please realize that does not mean, not for a minute, that I agree with it.

As for vote pandering, there are a lot of conservatives who believe that McCain joined a Southern Baptist Congregation for just that reason.  I don't necessarily buy it, but the argument could be made.

As an aside, I always thought McCain was Episcopalian, so I did a quick Google search last night, running "McCain Episcopalian" and I came across this nifty little blog entry.  I'm pretty sure that no one on this forum thinks like this blogger, but it was disturbing to say the least.

So called Christian Republican Blog Entry

Actually, I just reread that blog thing again, I would think that most of those people, especially in the reply section, would be banned from this site.  Aside from the blatant racism, homophobia, and desiring to keep troops in Iraq to Christianize that nation, there's not much there of any relevance.

Fruitcakes like that go a long ways towards making me glad that in here, there are articulate conservatives that as far as I can tell, don't hold any of these beliefs.
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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2008, 04:39:39 PM »
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Ummm, are you trying to imply that Obama is a racist because he's hanging out with a racist pastor??   Undecided   tsk tsk tsk

The same could be said for McCain for hanging out with an anti gay rights advocate.

He has known this guy believes in second class citizenship for those who are different, and is against privacy rights for women,  for what, 15 years? What kind of judgment is that?

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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2008, 05:16:27 PM »
From where I sit, I don't see much difference

Thank God the American people would see what you don't.

Video of both I feel confident would show a huge difference
to most Americans.

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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2008, 09:38:15 PM »
With all due respect sirs, if you held the spiritual belief consistent with the Bible in full, you would stone homosexuals to death, as that's what the Bible calls for. 

And is that what McCain's pastor is advocating?  Becasue if he is, then you have a point of contention.  If not, and it's simply consistent with most Christian's belief that its simply a sin, then I don't see the connection.


I recognize your right to hold such a belief, and I don't believe that a spiritually legitimate belief is grounds for homophobia, but please realize that does not mean, not for a minute, that I agree with it.

Nor does believing homosexuality is a sin = homophobia (much less = stoning.) 


As for vote pandering, there are a lot of conservatives who believe that McCain joined a Southern Baptist Congregation for just that reason.  I don't necessarily buy it, but the argument could be made.

Yea, and that may even be true, BUT, where's the embracing of said pastor as their spiritual advisor??  Where's the tangible proof to even make the arguement.  The tangible proof with Obama is that he STAYED with this overt Anti-American racist pastor for 20+yrs, AND embraced him as HIS personal spiritual advisor.  Where's the evidence that McCain's pastor is even remotely to such a fringe, or that Obama has such an intimate relationship with his pastor??

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Re: McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2008, 09:39:33 PM »
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Ummm, are you trying to imply that Obama is a racist because he's hanging out with a racist pastor??   Undecided   tsk tsk tsk

The same could be said for McCain for hanging out with an anti gay rights advocate.

But, Bt I'm not making such an implication.  You are.

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