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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2006, 01:38:27 PM »
Why is 1956 society better than today's?"

it never was better
people just think it is
those were the days when your sister could be your mother.
ex. jack nicholson
everybody was hidding secrets in those days
nowadays too many things is public
the term too much information never existed then

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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2006, 02:22:57 PM »



There are some ideas so ludicrous and mischievous that only an academic would take them seriously. One of them is diversity. Think about it. Are you for or against diversity?



          I gotta disagree, Diversity , both racial and intellectual has a certain value.


   In the case of  racial diversity the value is easy to understand and practical, disease resistance is greater in a diverse population. During the Irish Potato Famine the Irish were farming potato's all descendants of the same cuttings, all of Ireland was raising clones of the same potato, when a fungus that liked this potato learned to overcome the immune system of this potato it was like a burglar learning the combination to the bank vault and all of the vaults and safes in the country were the same. Massive crop failures were directly attributable to this lack of diversity.

     Cheetas have this problem , Cheetas are all closely enough related to swap skin grafts with no danger of rejection , they are on borrowed time . The most convincing speculation I have seen is that Cheetas at one time were a widespread species but some sort of calamity destroyed almost all of them , now they are all the descendants of a small population and their lack of diversity is one of their main risks .

     There is a region near Olduvai where there is an isolated population of Lions the land is productive in lion food but this small number of lions have inbred to the point that they are suffering disease from it, conservationists have attempted to introduce some "foreign" lions to relieve their inbreeding problem but lions habits do not accept strangers into the pride easily so the problem is not solved yet.

      In a human population it would work the exact same way .If some disease were to attack a racially pure population , Hitlers ideal was a recipe for catastrophe with the potential for causing human extinction. One of the ways that Humans could cease to be is to loose all of our diversity .


      Intellectual diversity speeds up thinking .

      If you owned an hundred PC computers and had a tremendous number crunching problem, You could use just one of them and get it done after a long time, but  you could not use all of them to speed up your work without some way of insuring that they each were working on a diffrent part of the problem. If you had an hundred operators or a interconnection system to spread the data among the PCs but started the problem at the same point on each of them ,the hundred would do the task at the same speed as one . To get them to do the task faster you would get the problem broken down into sections that could be distributed among the diffrent PCs and assemble the sub answers in one one hundredths the time (potentially) as allowing one to handle it all.

      People can do this and in a natural condition of a human population there is a lot of diversity in experience , education and habit . The Human Race has a lot of problems and they are distributed so well that almost all and each of us have a diffrent set of problems as a subset of the set of problems problems facing our species. An effort to standardize the thinking of human beings works against this desireable natural diversity , as we naturally are, we all each work on our own problem and everytime a new solution is developed some others adopt it . Meme is the term for a repeatable learnable behavior , a natural population of human beings develops failing and succeeding memes in profusion and the natural success of the succeeding behaviors and failure of the failing behaviors and the spread by learning in preference of the successfull ones amounts to a huge amount of computing.

     But what would it be like to standardize human thought among a large population?  Make us all proper adherents of a single "ism" and we all try the same solutions in the same order , this would be the loss of a huge advantage that we enjoy hardly knowing that we do.



     In the environment of a University these become practical considerations , less esoteric and uncontrollable than in the world at large.

      Lots of people meet their mates in colledge so hybridization is a likely result of collecting a diverse population .

       People gathered from several cultures into a university campus cross pollinate their thinking and their ways of thinking , students often learn as much from each other as they do from their Professors and they also after a while become the professors , so a diversity of  assumption sets ,thinking experience and ways of thinking is an advantage that ought not be lost to the University setting whether because of Prejudice racially or PC cleansing of thinking "wrong".

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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2006, 02:30:39 PM »
"..., we exited and noticed a homeless guy with a sign, asking for funds...."



That might be Whit.

Did he have an injury to his face?

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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2006, 03:00:09 PM »

If you truly beleive we are better off, culturally, than, say, 50 years ago when traditional values reigned, then you have truly been captured by the new "liberals".


We do not live in a cultural paradise, but we certainly seem better off culturally compared to 50 years ago. And I do not see why that would be a specifically liberal position, because I am not a liberal. (Just ask the liberals.) Would you mind, Professor, explaining why we are not better off culturally than 50 years ago?
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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2006, 03:35:07 PM »
don`t know about culturally
but people are way way better off today than ever before
in the fifties police were completely useless if not dangerous.
to today at least they help .

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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2006, 03:59:34 PM »
in the fifties police were completely useless if not dangerous.
to today at least they help .

Sheriff indicted in drug case
Cassell, others charged with reselling drugs seized from criminals
SUE LINDSEY
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ROANOKE, Va. - A sheriff and 12 current and former officers in a hard-luck rural county that once billed itself the "Sweatshirt Capital of the World" were charged Thursday in a scheme to resell drugs seized from criminals.

A former postal worker, a former probation officer and five other people also were indicted by federal prosecutors. The charges included racketeering conspiracy, weapons charges, narcotics distribution, obstruction of justice and perjury.

H. Franklin Cassell -- sheriff of Henry County, a former textile hub about 50 miles south of Roanoke -- was quoted by investigators as saying the only way to acquire wealth is to be "a little crooked and not get caught."

Henry County, about 130 miles northeast of Charlotte, is best known for the Martinsville Speedway, where NASCAR races are run twice a year.

Cassell, 68, was a state trooper before being elected sheriff in 1991. He owns large tracts of land and a trucking company and has reported more than $20,000 in dividends yearly, the Virginia government said.

The salary range for sheriffs in counties the size of Henry County is $85,500 to $93,500, according to state law.

Prosecutors said that for the past eight years, cocaine, steroids, marijuana and other drugs that had been seized by the sheriff's department were resold to the public. A sergeant who agreed to cooperate with investigators was paid off by the ring to use his house for distributing drugs, authorities said.

"It is disgraceful corruption," U.S. Attorney John Brownlee said.

Cassell was charged with impeding the investigation by the FBI and federal drug enforcement agents and with money laundering. He was released on $25,000 bail.

"He's served with great dedication," defense attorney John Lichtenstein said of Cassell. "Now we get an opportunity to answer the accusations."

© 2006 Charlotte Observer and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.
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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2006, 04:04:25 PM »
 $85,500 to $93,500, in virginia is not enough????

he`s full of s%!t big time


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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2006, 05:50:27 PM »
Would you mind, Professor, explaining why we are not better off culturally than 50 years ago?

I believe I discussed it earlier, but...

Culture is linked to values and our values, if you examine them from a Biblical context, are detereoriating.

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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2006, 06:10:26 PM »
actually we`re better today
the bible does cover values very well
in the fifties people get beat up alot and it considered ok
today folks actually get arrested
maybe not convicted but at least it`s progress.

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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2006, 06:16:33 PM »

Culture is linked to values and our values, if you examine them from a Biblical context, are detereoriating.


From a Biblical context? You want to see people getting pelted with stones for adultery? What do you mean when you say "Biblical context"? And then, if you would, please explain why that standard is the one against which we should measure our non-theocratic culture.
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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2006, 06:36:24 PM »
The new testament. How about the numerous anti-homeosexual referecens made by Paul?

AS far as your last statement, earlier I indicated it was IMHO. I believe our governemnt should reflect Christian values. Obviously you disagree, and that is fine.

Tell you what: get together 50 reps from a wide selection of Christian denominations and be guided by that, if this compromsie will serve.

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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2006, 06:49:20 PM »
does unitarians count?

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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2006, 12:30:07 AM »
The new testament. How about the numerous anti-homeosexual referecens made by Paul?

AS far as your last statement, earlier I indicated it was IMHO. I believe our governemnt should reflect Christian values. Obviously you disagree, and that is fine.

So would you call yourself a Dominionist?

Here is a bit from an article about Dominionism:



"Dominionism is a natural if unintended extension of Social Darwinism and is frequently called “Christian Reconstructionism.” Its doctrines are shocking to ordinary Christian believers and to most Americans. Journalist Frederick Clarkson, who has written extensively on the subject, warned in 1994 that Dominionism “seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of ‘Biblical Law.’” He described the ulterior motive of Dominionism is to eliminate “…labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools.” Clarkson then describes the creation of new classes of citizens:

    “Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment [to] blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.”[10]

Today, Dominionists hide their agenda and have resorted to stealth; one investigator who has engaged in internet exchanges with people who identify themselves as religious conservatives said, “They cut and run if I mention the word ‘Dominionism.’”[11]  Joan Bokaer, the Director of Theocracy Watch, a project of the Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy at Cornell University wrote, “In March 1986, I was on a speaking tour in Iowa and received a copy of the following memo [Pat] Robertson had distributed to the Iowa Republican County Caucus titled, “How to Participate in a Political Party.” It read:

    “Rule the world for God.

    “Give the impression that you are there to work for the party, not push an ideology.

    “Hide your strength.

    “Don’t flaunt your Christianity.

    “Christians need to take leadership positions. Party officers control political parties and so it is very important that mature Christians have a majority of leadership positions whenever possible, God willing.”[12]

Dominionists have gained extensive control of the Republican Party and the apparatus of government throughout the United States; they continue to operate secretly. Their agenda to undermine all government social programs that assist the poor, the sick, and the elderly is ingeniously disguised under false labels that confuse voters. Nevertheless, as we shall see, Dominionism maintains the necessity of laissez-faire economics, requiring that people “look to God and not to government for help.”[13] "

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm
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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2006, 12:40:27 AM »
Sheeesh

Reads like the protocols of the elders of zion.


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Re: Racial vs Intellectual Diversity
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2006, 12:51:32 AM »
Dominionism? Sounds like a Chrisitian version of the Taliban.

Just a return to traditional values is enough. I am not about to delineate each and every one...geeesh.

No need to get all wacky here.