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3DHS / Love the Warriior, Hate the War
« on: March 04, 2007, 05:32:51 PM »
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2980/

Love the Warrior, Hate the War
Why progressives have more in common with the military than they think


By Lorelei Kelly

When Army Col. Ike Wilson returned home in March 2004 from a 12 month deployment in Iraq, one thought remained with him: “Why such a deliberate plan to fight the war, but none to win the peace to follow?”

Wilson, a West Point professor with years of military planning experience, knew that placing this question at the the center of national security policy discussions was the only way to truly learn from Iraq and Afghanistan. He soon founded the Beyond War Project as a hub to educate both the military and the public about a new vision for war, peace and America’s role in the world. Thus far, he’s signed up participants ranging from Cornell University’s Peace Studies Program to the U.S. Air Force.

Wilson’s approach typifies today’s professional military education, which includes a breadth of topics that might surprise those more familiar with the liberal arts. In contrast to linear Cold War themes like strategic nuclear deterrence, military schools emphasize humanities subjects such as language, international cooperation and world culture. Such lessons arrived in these academic settings in the early part of the decade—though it took the terror attacks of 9/11 and two offensive U.S. military actions before elected leaders really paid attention to the dramatic shift from Cold War thinking.

Today, nearly every general that testifies before Congress claims that the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan do not have purely military solutions. This sea change means that many members of the military and progressives are philosophically much closer than either believes and they are both hurt by the lack of meaningful interaction. Understanding and aligning with the military around shared concerns could be a crucial new strategy for the left.

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I taught peace studies at Stanford University in California before moving to Washington in 1997 to work on Capitol Hill for Rep. Elizabeth Furse (D-Ore.). In 1995, Congress suffered a semi-lobotomy. The new conservative majority—under the guidance of Newt Gingrich’s Contract With America—cut many specialist staff and dismantled bipartisan educational organizations such as the Arms Control and Foreign Policy Caucus. My job was to establish an informal study group to educate staff on new national security issues.

As I set out to find important security initiatives to bring to Capitol Hill, I learned that most of the creative new government programs were in the military. I enrolled in classes—free to Hill staff—offered by the Air Command and Staff College and the National Defense University. I spent days at the Army War College, where the challenges of peace were on every conference agenda. While learning about topics ranging from peacekeeping to AIDS prevention, I came to know numerous military professionals eager to share knowledge about international problem solving—most based on recent experience.

Montgomery McFate is an anthropologist who advises the military on the value of cultural knowledge. She points out how warfighting now sits at the intersection of traditional military activity and what is known as “human security.”

“Technology is not the key to victory in Iraq or Afghanistan, where so much of our effort is focused on building infrastructure, increasing their ability to build a government, establishing the rule of law and promoting civil society,” says McFate. “U.S. forces need to understand the human terrain in which they are operating.”

In both Iraq and Afghanistan, good government is our exit strategy. And if there is a good news story about Iraq, it is that U.S. soldiers have already applied lessons learned from the peace operations in the ’90s. In Haiti, the Balkans and even in Somalia, the importance of culturally sensitive conflict resolution was learned.

Good government is also a preventive strategy. As a whole, post-9/11 security threats are broad and inclusive, and require a variety of approaches—military, political, social and economic. Because so much of the institutional memory of post-Cold War security policy resides in the Defense Department, whoever figures out a way to engage and to learn from our military’s experiences will have a wealth of policy ideas for moving forward.

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Successful “branding” by conservatives has made liberals seem weak on national security. It has also created a lowest common denominator political discourse—especially the defense budget. The vast majority of members vote for defense bills that continue to fund a Cold War national security apparatus. The absence of a loyal opposition and real debate about national security has led us to where we are today: The U.S. military finds itself in a situation that it would have never gotten into on its own.

November’s vote provides a timely opening to begin this conversation. With a new Democratic majority in Congress and the departure of Donald Rumsfeld, liberals must see past their anger over Iraq and grab the opportunity to learn from an unaccustomed source. Building relationships with military professionals will pay huge policy dividends when the time comes to pursue fundamental change on national security priorities.

The cost of the war has now passed half a trillion dollars—on top of a $400 billion plus defense budget. A more rational budget will soon become imperative, and progressives can be in the vanguard instead of on the margin by including real military needs in their list of spending priorities before diverting the conversation back to domestic issues. They can also consistently de-link defense spending from war spending—after Iraq, the Army will need to be rebuilt after its experience in Iraq. The rise of a cohort of military advocates from the left would mark an important change: Confident progressive voices joining the debate over the appropriate mission of American armed forces.

Such allies are needed: Despite their ability to wield tremendous physical force, the military is vulnerable when it comes to protecting itself in the domestic policy process. The armed services’ professional ethic forbids interference in political decision-making. Hence their fate is often influenced most by those poised to gain in the short-term, either financially or politically, and who encounter no similar professional barriers —i.e., defense industry lobbyists, members of Congress and an executive branch obsessed by domestic politics.

This strategy is not unrealistic. Today’s antiwar movement is leagues more sophisticated than the one that ended the Vietnam war. Today’s liberal activist has learned how to be anti-war without being anti-warrior.

What’s more, liberal philosophy shares many values with the military: looking after the general welfare, shared risk, sacrifice for common goals and long-term planning. Liberals value public service, and the military is our largest public institution. We also share many other areas of concern:

International human rights law: U.S. military lawyers are human rights champions for Guantánamo prisoners and for the Geneva Conventions.
International treaties: The U.S. Navy is one of the strongest advocates for the Law of the Sea.
Nuclear arms control: The military generally finds nuclear weapons unusable.
Conflict resolution: The Air Force has a prize-winning office of dispute resolution.
Renewable energy: The U.S. military is the largest energy consumer in the country.
AIDS prevention: The Defense Department has an extensive program to help foreign militaries.
Yet, Congress continues to drain billions from budget coffers to pay for Cold War programs like nuclear weapons and missile defense. The immediate military needs are more obvious: low-tech items like body armor, and human resource skills like language education.

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The American military’s changing worldview has resulted in a sustained identity conflict within the institution. This tension will likely continue until younger generations move into leadership, entertaining very different notions of national security than those who came before them.

For younger officers, the idea that power is not dominance, but the ability to influence change, is a lesson learned from recent experience. One Marine Corps friend recently told me that while on a mission in East Timor, his bag of MREs (meals ready to eat) was usually more helpful than his ammo belt, because he could make friends by handing them out to hungry locals. Contrast this experience with the linear, engineering mindset of the Cold War—where a rigid worldview fit nicely with hardware-heavy solutions. Low-tech is our future.

Frank G. Hoffman, a strategist for the Marine Corps Warfighting Lab in Quantico, Va., organized a gathering on Irregular Warfare in the summer of 2005 to expose military thinkers to the theories of social science and a more comprehensive view of intervention. “Without an appreciation for these skill sets and disciplines,” Hoffman says, “future military operations are doomed to failure.”

In November 2005, the Office of the Secretary of Defense released Directive 3000.5—an official document that elevated post-conflict reconstruction and support of civil society to a par with combat as a military priority. It remains to be seen whether or not this directive will be fully implemented. Yet it demonstrates that the institutional memory of the Defense Department is changing. Mid-level officers—whose formative military experiences were post-Cold War and whose assignments required a refresher of both counterinsurgency and sociology—are making their presence felt.

Citizens’ legitimate fears about terrorism make security a gateway issue—a threshold that must be satisfied before any other priorities can be addressed. For liberals, appreciating the military and its evolving worldview just might provide the first step through this threshold. Hearing what the military has to say could give liberals a reality-tested idea around which to unify: that our left-over Cold War belief in dominance alone is obsolete and that we need new, far-reaching alternatives. The five military veterans joining the Democratic majority in the 110th Congress will facilitate this transition, as they speak with irreproachable first-hand knowledge.

It’s time to be pro-military for all the right reasons. At dinner tables, public libraries, classrooms and city halls across America, let us listen to our warriors as they return. They will tell a story of change—one that Americans across the political spectrum need to hear.

Lorelei Kelly is the director of the Real Security Initiative at the White House Project. She also blogs at TheHuffingtonPost.com.

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3DHS / Re: Coulter Said What?
« on: March 04, 2007, 05:17:52 PM »

And who said you didn't have the right to criticize Ann Coulter's remarks, even if you are giving a broad reading to first amendment privileges as it pertains to this forum.

I'm just wondering who gave you the job of demanding that others criticize her along with you, and if they don't, the right to punish them by calling them stupid or liars or both?

I neither demanded that anyone criticize Ann Coulter nor called anyone a name.  I did state that we ought to criticize.  That is a statement of opinion, and while you are correct in stating that the first amendment does not directly apply to this forum, I think it is reasonable to say that expressing opinions is a primary purpose of this forum in the first place.  My opinions have always been strong and strongly expressed.  i usually agree with you.  I find it very hard to believe that you are getting upset because I disagree with you.  I am inclined to think you are reacting in this manner to illustrate a point.  If not, maybe I've been away too long.

I called nobody stupid here, nor did I call anyone a liar.  I disagreed with your position and with your analysis.  I compared you with Bill Clnton, [who was a liar] only in that you were using a similar debate technique.  (It depends on what your defnition of "is" is.)  My point wasn't that you were lying but that your argument was as weak as Clinton's.  I think if you took Ann's statement to a hundred people 99 of them would conclude that she called Edwards a faggot.  I find it hard to believe that you seriously think that statement did not make the implication.  Still, the world is full of differing opinions.  I certainly do not think YOU are stupid.  I also don't think you are lying - in fact I am not sure that stating an opinion CAN be lying.  But I do think that you are wrong in your opinion.  As to punishing people, disagreeing with them is not punishment. 

I claim the same right - on this forum or elsewhere - to criticize, analyze, express and disseminate opinions as anyone else.  That doesn't indicate the presence of a badge - just a mind. 

I can't believe I am having this debate.

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3DHS / Betcha your workplace isn't this bad.
« on: March 04, 2007, 05:00:45 PM »
Two months ago my wife got her boss fired for threatening her - after almost five years of working with him on the edge.  He was once actually taken out of the office in handcuffs for beating up his teenaged daughter.  My wife is known well up the chain of command in her company as a superstar.  So after all of these years, when he made a threat in front of witnesses, he was gone.  It got ugly enough that they got a court order barring him from coming near the place.

Now a little over a year ago a man walked into a rival company situated four doors down in the same complex and shot two of the workers to death.  Several of the workers in that office ran into my wife's office.  We were actually prevented from entering the grounds when we go there.  But her boss and a driver coworker who had previously worked at the rival company watched the police drag the boidies past their door as they tried to subdue the suspect.  (He shot himself to death.)

When my wife's boss was fired, a new guy came on from one of their stores in another part of the state.  In return, the sales rep from Val's office was sent to that store.  It was nice, because she was NOT fitting in well with the other workers at Val's office.  The new manager seemed pretty cool.  So everyone was getting a clean slate and a fresh start.

Well Last Friday (Feb 23) the sales rep lost her job at the other store.  She just couldn't cut it there either.  Not so good.

On Monday, the new manager gathered the office together and informed them that the Sales Rep had broken into her ex-husband's house over the weekend, broken into his gun cabinet and killed herself.  Her 12 YO daughter was the first to find the body. 

On Wednesday a patient with mental problems who had been stalking the driver who used to belong to the rival company (are ya following this?) actually chased her down the interstate and ended up getting chased down and arrested by the cops.  He was charged with DUI and diriving on a revoked license.  The stalking charges are pending.

And to top it off, the new manager suddenly got into some kind of insanity attack (possibly prompted by dealing with a coworker's suicide and a stalker after another of his employees) and started channeling the spirit of the previous boss for no apparent reason.  The office has been a nightmare.  Everyone has been scared to cross the boss, scared of the ex-boss going nuts on them. scared of the stalker walking in and shooting them and scared of losing their jobs!! 

Fortunately, on Friday the boss apologized and things got a little less tense, but my wife is polishing her resume.  It's a crazy world.

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3DHS / Tribe revokes freed slaves' membership
« on: March 04, 2007, 08:59:12 AM »
OKLAHOMA CITY - Cherokee Nation members voted Saturday to revoke the tribal citizenship of an estimated 2,800 descendants of the people the Cherokee once owned as slaves

With all 32 precincts reporting, 76.6 percent had voted in favor of an amendment to the tribal constitution that would limit citizenship to descendants of "by blood" tribe members as listed on the federal Dawes Commission's rolls from more than 100 years ago.

The commission, set up by a Congress bent on breaking up Indians' collective lands and parceling them out to tribal citizens, drew up two rolls, one listing Cherokees by blood and the other listing freedmen, a roll of blacks regardless of whether they had Indian blood.

Some opponents of the ballot question argued that attempts to remove freedmen from the tribe were motivated by racism.

"I'm very disappointed that people bought into a lot of rhetoric and falsehoods by tribal leaders," said Marilyn Vann, president of the Oklahoma City-based Descendants of Freedmen of Five Civilized Tribes.

Tribal officials said the vote was a matter of self-determination.

"The Cherokee people exercised the most basic democratic right, the right to vote," tribal Principal Chief Chad Smith said. "Their voice is clear as to who should be citizens of the Cherokee Nation. No one else has the right to make that determination.'

Smith said turnout — more than 8,700 — was higher than turnout for the tribal vote on the Cherokee Nation constitution four years ago.

"On lots of issues, when they go to identity, they become things that people pay attention to," Smith said.

The petition drive for the ballot measure followed a March 2006 ruling by the Cherokee Nation Supreme Court that said an 1866 treaty assured freedmen descendants of tribal citizenship. Since then, more than 2,000 freedmen descendants have enrolled as citizens of the tribe.

Court challenges by freedmen descendants seeking to stop the election were denied, but a federal judge left open the possibility that the case could be refiled if Cherokees voted to lift their membership rights.

Tribal spokesman Mike Miller said the period to protest the election lasts until March 12 and Cherokee courts are the proper venue for a challenge.

Vann promised a protest within the next week. "We don't accept this fraudulent election," Vann said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070304/ap_on_re_us/cherokees_freedmen_vote

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3DHS / Re: Coulter Said What?
« on: March 04, 2007, 08:52:25 AM »
The badge was given to me in the First Amendment. I have every right to criticize ANY candidate, pundit, columnist, or man on the street.  This entire website is based on that concept. 

Obviously, Ann's comment was intended as a joke.  But the joke was that Edwards was a "faggot."  As you might see in the thread about the Mormon girl being punished for using the term "gay" in a derogatory sense, I don't approve of PC for PC sake.  I do, however, think that using such a foul term - even as a joke - ought to be denounced.  I think it is the same as saying "I would say something about Obama, but if you use the word 'nigger' you have to go to rehab.   

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Did anyone miss the fact that the reason she said "That's so gay" was because she was being hassled about her religion?

The answer to Lanya's question is "nothing."  Unless, of course, the person was a member of a non-Christian faith.

The entire emphasis of this article is on how the Mormon was using a terrible term (which, in fact, is a term currently in vogue.  Several of my daughter's HS friends use it to mean "strange" or "stupid" - including my daughter who is a member of the Gay-Straight Alliance.).  Nobody seems upset that this girl was being dogged out about her faith - to include the use of inaccurate stereotypes. 

It's very typical that two wrongs (which, of course, don't make a right) were committed but only one was punished.  This young girl is being painted as a homophobic "fundi" (the latter of which, of coiurse, she can't be) instead of a kid who was getting teased about her religion and used a common term to defend herself. 

Years ago, my youngest son (who's in college now) was harrassed by someone about his religion.  Among other things, they said that all Mormons were misogynistic because we believe in traditional gender roles.   One thing lead to another and finally he ended up in the office.  He said it was wrong to stereotrype all Mormons.  The principle said "But that's what Mormons are."  He told her "That's like saying all Muslims are terrorists,"  She promptly told him that THAT was an inappropriate comment, because it stereotyped Muslims.  He told her that was his point - Mormons shouldn't be stereotyped any more than Muslims.  "No, it's different."  was her reply. Some religions are, apparently, privileged.  So are some classes of people.  This is a perfect example of special - as opposed to equal - rights for gays.


Thanks for the wb, Plane!

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3DHS / Re: Soviet Intel expert shot
« on: March 03, 2007, 11:54:41 PM »
Time to dust off the cold war.

Way past time, actually.

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3DHS / Re: Obama's white ancestors may have owned slaves
« on: March 03, 2007, 11:52:43 PM »
Hiya Lanya!

I have in fact heard of the cinnamon thingy and I'll use it when I think about it.  Thanks for the good thoughts.  I got a landline back so I should be around more.  We do plan to take lotsa pics, so I will upload a few when we get back.  I just hope that this time my wife doesn;t need emergency surgery!  That's what prevented this trip five years ago! 

The silly thing is, on our wedding night 30 years ago we were 19 and 17 and we passed a carnival on the way to our motel.  We loved carnivals (Hey, we were freakin' teenagers!) so that's what we did for our honeymoon.  So now we are doing a Carnival Cruise - see the connection? Lol!

Yeah.  I make my brain hurt too!   ;D

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3DHS / Re: Coulter Said What?
« on: March 03, 2007, 11:46:51 PM »

<WHo says it has to? Does Ann have a record of speaking perfectly sequential English. Who is to say the clauses are related.

"I can't go to the store right now, what the heck is that on your shirt?">

Oh please.  The word "but" in her statement says it has to.  My interpretation is the one any rational analysis of the sentence would lead to.  This grammatical discussion is silly. It is completely reasonable to say that Coulter implied Edwards was a faggot.  I am dismayed that you are using this line of logic to defend your position.  You are WAY better than that. 

<And so what if it is Clintonian? >

Clinton was a liar who couched his lies in technicalities.  If you wish to debate in that fashion, of course you have every right.  But you can hardly expect your opinion to get any more respect than his did.  I repeat, you are better than that.


<And yes i do mean that succumbing to demands for denouncement would indicate culpability on the succumber's part. It shows that the demander's are correct in assuming your group is as homophobic as Coulter, that your group is guilty at the minimum of enabling Colters behavior, because if you don't denounce then the charges are correct.

That is a far cry from criticizing absent the demand. That would be an independent action, free of the coercion from the broadbrushing demanders. >

I didn't say we should criticize her because of the demands.  That was never a part of my argument.  I say we should criticize her because her comments were offensive, and we should have the courage and integrity to police our own - with or without the yammering from the left.  But we should no more allow the actions of the left to PREVENT us from apologizing than to force us to.  When we refuse to criticize our own because the left had the nerve to "demand" it of us, we allow the left to choose our actions. Frankjly, that smacks of "You're not the boss of me" childishness.  I don't care what the left says or demands.  Coulter's comments were garbage and she should be criticized.  It's true that the left will use any reason to criticize the right, but in this case they are right (no pun intended).  If we are not calling Ann on the carpet for these outrageous comments, we are giving tacit approval.  I, at least, intend to properly identify an entrenching tool.


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3DHS / Re: Know a shorter Joke than this ?
« on: March 03, 2007, 08:00:47 PM »
How about Ogden Nash's poem "Maid's Day Off"

Thurs.
Hers.

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3DHS / Re: Obama's white ancestors may have owned slaves
« on: March 03, 2007, 07:59:25 PM »
L'il Pooch is a Junior and Stray Pup is in college!  I turn 50 this year and my wife and I are going on a cruise in May to celebrate our thirtieth wedding anniversary!   Time flies when you're having a life.

Glad to be back in the saloon!  Songs later, perhaps.  For now I'll just spout!   :D

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3DHS / Re: Coulter Said What?
« on: March 03, 2007, 07:53:19 PM »
Coulter said "I'd say something about John Edwards, but if you use the word 'faggot', you have to go to rehab."

How does the first half of that sentence relate to the second?

Specifically, why does the consequence of using the word "faggot" prevent her from saying something about Edwards?

If she is not calling Edwards a faggot, the second clause is a non sequitir.  I suppose theoretically she could be suggesting that John Edwards had used the word faggot or that a discussion of Edwards might require the use of the word faggot in some other context than a direct accusation of homosexuality.  But I think that is Clintonian.  Yes, she was also making an offhand comment about the PC state of debate, but she could have just as easily said "I'd say something about homosexuality but . . ."   

I can't believe you are pushing that argument.  It just doesn't work. 

As to culpability, since we are parsing carefully you may have meant that ANN was not culpable  - in which case I disagree.  But you may also have meant that criticizing Ann indicated that WE were culpable.  That makes no sense.  Criticizing someone indicates DISagreement.  If I criticize the Dixie Chicks for trashing the President, bin Laden for bombing the towers or Bush for poor diplomatic skills, that does not indicate that I am culpable in those things.  If I criticize Ann Coulter, it indicates that I think she is wrong for using such language and conveying such ideas, and I want to be sure I am not associated with them (since she frequently represents views I agree with). Of course the left is going to criticize her. They would criticize her regardless of what she said.  When we do it, it indicates we disagree with her even though she is ostensibly one of ours.  You may be suggesting that we would be "admitting" we were culpable if we criticized her.  That is not true. We would be admitting only that one of ours goofed up.

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3DHS / Re: Coulter Said What?
« on: March 03, 2007, 06:51:57 PM »
Thank you, BT.  It's good to be back.

I have to say that saying Ann didn't call Edwards a faggot is nitpicking.  She didn't <technically> directly call him a faggot, but it was very clear that was the intent of her comment - unless, of course, the comment was misquoted. 

Put it this way, if I said to you "I'd say something about your mama but you don't allow the use of the word 'whore' on your website"  I feel confident I would have a bloody nose at least. 

I understand what you are saying about the broadbrush, but I think it is legitimate to at least expect some strong criticism from the right. 

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3DHS / Re: Talk about potty-mouths
« on: March 03, 2007, 06:43:33 PM »
What the @*&#38;# is this &*(&* talking about?    ;D

I think there is a tendency to use foul language more among lefties than righties for several reasons.  (This is all opinion, of course.)

First, lefties tend to be younger than righties - that is, people gravitate more towards conservatism as they age.  So more youngsters hang around left-wing blogs and sites than right wing.  Youngsters tend to use more foul language.  

Second, conservatives lean more towards traditional religious values.  Such values sometimes put the brakes on foul language - at least when the blogger/poster identifies himself as religious.  It makes an otherwise foul-mouth Republican more conscious of of his impression.  Some are sincerely disinclined to cuss.  Some are just disinclined to be caught.

I think a lot of " bad words" are used in what would otherwise not be offensive contexts.  An example might be "I just logged on to bitch about that whiner Rush Limbaugh" as opposed to "I just logged on to whine about that bitch Hillary."  So much of the use of the "seven words" is probably just general ranting as opposed to intentionally offensive behavior.  

I think if we changed the criteria from bad "words" to bad intention, the ratio would be a lot closer to even.

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Alright, who are you and what have you done with Michael?    ;D

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