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Conversation with a conservative Comanche
« on: July 04, 2012, 06:51:15 AM »
FLORIDA, June 30, 2012 ? In contemporary politics, the views of Native Americans are rarely considered.

While watching an opinion program, for instance, chances are that every ancestral demographic will have been represented within a week's time; except for the one that was here before the pilgrims arrived.

Fortunately, Dr. David A. Yeagley is doing something to change this.

The great-great-grandson of Comanche dignitary Bad Eagle, he has been called "an American Indian Leonardo DiVinci". Bringing his work as "an author, scholar, classical composer, concert musician, (and) portrait artist" into the equation, this should come as no surprise.

Nonetheless, Yeagley's political perspectives have surely attracted the most attention. A member of the right, he takes outspoken positions on issues such as illegal immigration and the spread of militant Islamism. There is far more to his philosophy, however, than the stuff of headline news.

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Joseph F. Cotto: Support for center-right politics in Native American cultures is not, generally speaking, thought of as being widespread. How does your ancient heritage tie in with your contemporary political views?

Dr. David Yeagley: The preference of preservation is the pith of conservatism.  To conserve, to reserve, to hold on to a tradition, an identity, a way of life?this is essential conservatism.  No people in America are more focused on their traditions, however unrelated to present necessity, than are American Indians.  American Indians represent the most conservative people in the country, if even by intuition and unarticulated ideology.  Indians are simply conservative, albeit without political rhetoric.  Indians live conservatism, rather than campaign for it. It is the way of all real Indians.  I personally consider this obvious.

I recognize in America the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant as the foundation of the country and the society.  All else is historical addendum.  I believe the WASP has the obligation to make every effort to preserve the American identity, both socially and governmentally.  It isn?t a matter of having the right to.  That is a given.  It is a matter of grave responsibility.  As I honor the American Indian conservative instinct of preserving Indian nations (or wistful facsimiles thereof), I honor the WASP America, first and foremost.  All else must be considered addition, not foundation.  Yes, there are a number of other significant European peoples (nationalities) which had major roles in the building and shaping of modern America; however, they are simply not the foundation, and they must never be thought of as equal to that foundation, or as important. 

No one would expect a Nigerian to become Chief of the Cheyenne, or a Lithuanian to become Chief of the Apache.  And no one would consider an Indian tribe racist for being exclusive, intolerant, or non-egalitarian.  Nor do I expect the WASP to turn over America to aliens, foreigners, or non-white leadership.  This is catastrophic, obviously.  Even the classical Greeks knew multiculturalism doesn?t work.  Aristotle said the foreign element would never feel equal to the blue-bloods, no matter what concessions given them, or status they achieved.  They are forever a source is discontent, and actually inimical to a democracy. 

Cotto: In American politics, labels have been overused to the extent that terms such as "conservative" and "liberal" are now essentially meaningless. Why do you suppose that this happened?

Dr. Yeagley: I don?t consider the terms meaningless at all.  Conservative means wanting to hold on to historical values and culturally established morals and mores.   Liberal means to undo all that has come before.  I consider liberals to be Freudian?in that they manifest the Oedipal complex.  They wish to destroy the father, or all that which the father has left for them.  They hate the father.  It is a deep seated craving to uproot his roots.  Such instinct, politicized as ideology, is quite marketable, however, especially to the youth, who are naturally impatient of restraint and authority.  They are quite willing to shout against the ?status quo.? 

Historically, the etymology of liberalism goes like this:  Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Leftism, Liberalism, and Progressivism.  Each term was meant to be more socially acceptable or more marketable.  It?s all based on an appeal to envy the envy of the poor for the rich.  ?You owe  me? is the mantra taught to anyone without a Cadillac?to protest anyone who has one.  This is positively juvenile, denigrating, and essentially racist.  Liberals are indeed the racists, for the white have, and the darks have not. Therefore, the darks have been wronged by the whites.  Liberalism is a godless social evaluation based on materialism, exclusively.  It is pure Marxism.  ?I?ve been wronged? is the watchword.  As a moral imperative, a moral advantage, it works best where there are Judeo-Christian sentiments in the society.  But it is also very effective in impoverished nations whose internet and TV outlets let them know of the great glitter possessed by other (Western) societies. 

Indeed, the free market is perhaps the deepest liability of capitalism or America?s republican form of democracy.  All is a sell.  As long as the immature can buy, and worse, vote, the situation is volatile.  Liberalism can be pawned off as superior righteousness, when it is but convenient greed.

The breakdown of the family enhances social and psychological aberrancy.  It is the distinct articulation of liberalism that the family is to be re-defined?that is, destroyed.  Thus, the American traditions cannot be effectively communicated to the next generation. 

So, if you ask how your thesis of terminology obfuscation evolved,  I could actually say the market place itself had a lot to do with the obfuscation of the meaning of ?conservative? and ?liberal,? politics being the national bazaar of ideas.

Cotto: Libertarianism, specifically the Ron Paul variety, is often hailed as being the center-right's future. Do you think that this is the case? If it indeed is, would this be a positive development, in your opinion? 

Dr. Yeagley: Libertarianism is not really conservatism.  It is a skewed, imbalanced take on certain aspects of individualism.  Individual freedom shouldn?t be idolized.  No man is an island.  What you do does affect others.  Now, I think Ron Paul?s Constitutionalism was by far the truest.  However, if I may use the medical doctor metaphor, if you call for amputation as the only solution, the only way to save the life, then I want some serious coaching on what it?s going to be like to live without an arm.  Talk to me about it.  Paul never really did.  He just was very sure that amputation is the only thing that will save the country.  I felt he needed to be a little more considerate of the nation as patient. 

I don?t see libertarianism as a solution.  It is too solipsistic, too selfish.  It is moral responsibility turned amoral.  That opens too many doors to deviant behavior.

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As politicians focus on reelection rather than hard facts, our nation's illegal immigration crisis continues to spin out of control. The Great Recession, meanwhile, rolls on unabated; and is perhaps given a boost by the DREAM of amnesty. America's national security policy all the while hangs in the balance.

What does Dr. Yeagley have to say about these pressing subjects?

Find out in part two.

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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2012, 06:53:20 AM »
FLORIDA, July 1, 2012 ? As we all know, this is an election season.

It should go without saying that the topic of illegal immigration is at the forefront once again. As usual, it is burning bridges as if they were firewood, and raising the question of just what it means to be an American.

The economy is another problem. The Great Recession continues to roll along, despite the federal government's series of stimulus measures. Now, illegal immigration threatens to boil over into this quagmire, as President Obama's de facto DREAM Act has allowed upward of 800,000 unlawful aliens to remain in the country. One can only imagine the impact this will have on those looking for work; specifically blue collar jobs.

All the while, our national security hangs in the balance. From increasing dangers abroad to pressing matters on the domestic front, strong policies are needed to promote long term stability.

So, what are David Yeagley's opinions on these key subjects?

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Joseph F. Cotto: Illegal immigration is, as always, a highly contentious issue. How do you believe that it is being handled by the federal government as of now? From your standpoint, is there a better of way of dealing with this crisis?

Dr. David Yeagley: I know of no country in the world having a constitution that requires that country to receive immigrants.  There is no law which says any and every country must accept any and every people who come to its shores.  This is some unwritten law, that anyone born anywhere in the world has a right to live anywhere he wants.  If this law is true, then nationhood is dissolved, out the window, and nixed forever.  A nations is given away to the first takers.

I don?t think the original Americans, the WASPS, came here to conquer Indians, but rather to get away from Anglican/Roman Catholic persecution.  America is not therefore a nation of immigrants, or even invaders.  It is a nation of exiles, or persecuted fugitives?with original ideas of government.  America is a nation of religio-political experimentalists.  The concept of having open doors, yea, of having an emblazoned invitation to the world, is utterly false and destructive.  America wasn?t made for the world.  American is not a haven for losers, criminals, and populations of failed Third World countries; but, open immigration has made it such.  The Third World is overrun by mindless reproduction, low standards, destructive religion, filth and disease.  To invite such defective masses is suicidal for any nation.   

I think American immigration policy (if there is such) is wholly mistaken in concept, and any concept of charity or good will associated with it has been wholly usurped and perverted by anti-American liberals.  It is intentionally made the means of undoing all that is strong and valuable about American society.  Liberals don?t want America to be great, but common, like the rest of the failed Third World.  This is a conscious effort.   

Cotto: Several years have passed, and yet the American economy continues to wander through the depths of the Great Recession. Do you see a path to prosperity emerging on the horizon?

Dr. Yeagley: To enter at all onto the path of prosperity, having stepped and stayed on the opposite path for so long, will require severe sacrifice.  If the country wants to rid itself of Mexican labor, than who will plant the onions?  Americans may have to do without onions for a while.  To change directions always requires stern determination and sacrifice.  The path out of adversity is not an easy one.  Government regulation (i.e., bureaucracy) is destructive.  Business and free market economy have historically proven to be the path to prosperity.  Changing government bureaucracy, once established, is not likely to happen. 

I see States Rights therefore as the first viable position to counter the federal monster.  More freedom, more independence, can only begin at a smaller, localized level.  The federal government will simply have to be denied, or ?defied? if you will.  The federal government is not exempt from the liability of error, or from the accusation of ?domestic enemy.?  The idea that the federal government cannot be found guilty of anti-American intent is truly a fatal error. 

Without independence from the federal government, I see no likelihood of prosperity.  This is my message to American Indian tribes, in fact.  When I campaigned for chairman of the Comanche Nation (2012), my first platform point was to sell the tribe?to private ownership.  We must sever all financial dependency on the federal government.  What the government funds, the government controls.  This is ultimately the death knell for the tribes. 

Cotto: From foreign terrorism to domestic riots, we live in an increasingly challenging world. In order to face it, America must have a sufficient national security policy. What would you say that this should entail?

Dr. Yeagley: I don?t know that moral behavior can be dictated by the government.  In America?s case, I think the fault lies with failed pastors.  I think the American church failed, long ago.  Where the church failed, the religion of liberalism took over. 

Security has to do with trust and reliability.  This begins with citizenship.  Few people should be allowed citizenship.  It should be made precious.  Very few people should have the right to vote, and that right must be earned with terrible trial and knowledge.  Great testing and examination should be required before citizenship is ever granted.  Being an American is not really valued at all today?except for the opportunities for fame and fortune.  This is wholly degrading to society.  Being American doesn?t mean what it should mean at all.  Security is based on trustworthy people.  We simply don?t have that to the degree we should. 

Government agencies for security are not reliable when the people who comprise them are not reliable.  Again, I believe the weakness is in our underdeveloped concepts of what it means to be an American citizen.  Greek models put a very high price on citizenship.  Proper education was primary.  American Indians also put a deadly price?on manhood itself.  A brave earned his status.  It was not something inherited, or bought.

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Over the last few years, multiculturalism has gone on the rise, bringing with it a slew of unfamiliar challenges. The presidential race, as stated before, is kicking into high gear. Considering that it might prove to be among the most important in history, this should be anything but surprising.

What are Dr. Yeagley's views about these critical matters?

Part three awaits.

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Re: Conversation with a conservative Comanche
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2012, 06:55:31 AM »
FLORIDA, July 2, 2012 ? Over the last several years, multiculturalism has gone from being a sociological concept to functioning as the American mainstream.

What impact has this had on our country as a whole?

Academics and politicians might say one thing before the cameras, but the fact that a new set of dilemmas are being ushered in cannot go ignored. From language barriers to ethnic as well as religious conflicts, this country appears to be facing a serious lack of social unity.

Nothing highlights these problems more than the presidential campaign. President Obama is in a close, and increasingly bitter race with Mitt Romney. A great many on both ends of the political spectrum think that this election will be among the most important in American history.

What are David Yeagley's opinions about all this?

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Cotto: Multiculturalism is spreading across the United States at light speed. This has led to not only language barriers, but considerable religious, ethnic, and racial tensions. Nonetheless, many do believe that, in the long run, the aforementioned problems will fade into the history books. Do you share this opinion?

Dr. Yeagley: No. Multiculturalism is globalism, and obviously imperialism. That always spelled mass oppression and tyranny.  It is always worse than anything it presumes to replace. 

Evolution produced nationality. Even the Bible itself recognizes nationality, and attributes it directly to the Creator Himself. Either position declares that man is self-destructive to go against nature, or nature?s God. 

Globalism is a cheap shot, really, on the part of power-mongers. It appeals to the weak, the dependent, and the unworthy. The reason empires always fail is because people, in the end, prefer their individuality, ethnic as well as national. This is the lesson of history?which man apparently never learns. Some clowns are always aiming for an empire. 

American Indians never united in this way. (If we did, there would never have been any America.) We were different cultures, with different religion, language, and territory. We never tried to unite, nor did we ever attempt to rule over each other, or over anyone else.  Of course, we suffered the consequences of our ?independence.? 

Cotto: Election season is in full swing. Who are you supporting for president this year, and which candidate do you believe will ultimately prevail in November? If Barack Obama does win a second term, what impact do you think this will have on the United States?

Dr. Yeagley: I certainly hope Romney wins, although I originally supported Michele Bachmann. I think Romney is quite realistic, and on many fronts, that makes him weak, in my opinion. Constitutionalism would seem to be the answer to preserving America. Bachmann was a lot closer to that than Romney. Ron Paul was most constitutional of all, but, brought to many other vagaries along with him. This may be the biggest ?settle? Republican voters will ever have to make.

But, nothing could be worse than to have [Obama] in the American White House. America will never be the same. In fact, America will be something that what it was before. America will become something it was never meant to be. Yes, the buildings will remain, and the roads, even the trees. But the spirit of the country, the social identity, will be forever lost. Obama?s goal, as was Bill Clinton?s, is to make America a Third World country, in the name of equality. If Obama wins, America is lost forever. 

America is going down, and has been for some time, really since the ?60?s. We?re at the point of no return, it seems. Republicans have made no special difference. The Tea Party is the one spark of hope, but it remains to be seen if it can make a difference in a national election. 

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Over these last few days, we have learned much about Dr. Yeagley's political perspectives. What about the man himself, though?

In the concluding fourth part of our discussion, the great-great-grandson of Comanche dignitary Bad Eagle explains.

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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2012, 06:57:10 AM »
FLORIDA, July 3, 2012 ? It would be no small understatement to say that David Yeagley?s views are controversial.

From matters of partisan politics to social psychology, his writings never fail to attract a diverse array of supporters and detractors. Beyond this, however, he is also a noted composer, scholar, and historian; not to mention the great-great-grandson of Comanche dignitary Bad Eagle.

How did Dr. Yeagley become such a voice for Native American interests in the realm of public affairs? 

In this fourth and final part of our conversation, he explains.

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Joseph F. Cotto: Now that our discussion is at its end, many readers are probably wondering exactly how it was that you came to be one of the foremost voices in Native American political commentary. Tell us a bit about your life and career.

Dr. David Yeagley: I am a classical composer, as well as an academic.  I have degrees from Oberlin Conservatory, Yale Divinity, Emory University, University of Hartford (Hartt School of Music), and the University of Arizona (Tucson).  I was also a graduate student at Harvard for a short time, but completed no degree or certificate.  I?ve been a Ford Fellow, a Kellogg Fellow, and in fact was the first Indian to enter Yale Divinity. 

I am the first American Indian composer to be commissioned to write a movie score.  The Oklahoma State Historical Society commissioned me to write the music score to a 1920 silent film, ?Daughter of Dawn,? the first all-Indian cast and the first full-length Indian drama on film.  It was premiered at the Dead Center Film Festival here in Oklahoma City, June 10. 

I taught college at Oklahoma State University (OKC campus), University of Central Oklahoma, and the University of Oklahoma.  While teaching ancient humanities at OSU-OKC, I developed some concepts of nationhood which led me to emphasize patriotism.  Unless the people love the country, that country is short-lived.  I took my complaints to the governor, and collaborated with Oklahoma Governor Frank Keating on the matter of teaching patriotism in public schools.  He wanted a mandatory course for high school seniors before graduation.  I provided a curriculum.  Unfortunately, Democrat senator Penny Williams killed the bill on her desk.

In the meantime, I began writing regular articles for David Horowitz? FrontPageMagazine, back when Richard Poe was the editor.  I was soon appearing on shows like Hannity & Colmes, Bill O?Reilly, and C-Span.  I also made a History Channel episode on ?Comanche Warriors.?  I was on many radio shows, beginning with Ken Hamblin, Scott Hennen, etc.  I was a regular speaker for Young America?s Foundation, and spoke at colleges and universities across the country.

In time, however, my specificities about race, ethnicity, and the fundamentals of nationhood led me to make statements that were too controversial for many.  I still speak occasionally, and publish articles from time to time.  For the most part, however, I have been concentrating on composing symphonies, chamber works, and choral works. 

I?ve always understood the American Indian to be the foundation of the United States.  I?ve employed metaphoric language to communicate this.  The white infant that washed up on our shores was the object of our charity and good will.  He was the seed of giants, little did we know (and little did he know).  We raised him.  He is our adopted son, our step son.  He grew to be a grand hero.  He was mighty, and we should be mighty proud.  Yes, he grew so big he pushed us out of our own house, but, I don?t think that was his plan.  That was just an unexpected inevitability.  I think the responsible thing for Indians to do is to continue our role as host, guide, and even savior.

I believe the Indian is the foundation of the American collective psyche.  We are the wild side, the side of nature.  We are the link to the land.  Without us, America is not America.  We have a profound responsibility for the preservation of this great nation.

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The quintessentially American stories of our country?s native peoples are far too often marginalized, or simply ignored.

It is, in my opinion, our responsibility to learn about this nation?s history from a broad perspective. While even a cursory glance at the trials and tribulations of the United States is sure to include mentions of Sasquatch and Little Bighorn, far too much is left out.

Perhaps this information deficit can be attributed to the fact that Native Americans are badly underrepresented in the national media. From sitcoms to commentary programs, the rare mention of this crucial demographic usually boils down to sensationalist rhetoric at best, or crude stereotypes at worst.

Either way, the time has long since passed for a change. The pre-Founding Fathers deserve nothing less.

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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 10:54:58 AM »
. The Tea Party is the one spark of hope, but it remains to be seen if it can make a difference in a national election.

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A bunch of anti-education fundies that want to lower taxes to pay off the debt are our "only hope"?

The tea party is an artificial construct in which the Oligarchy has duped ignorant yokels into saying "no" to everything.

The ones already elected have accomplished nothing useful. No matter how many zeroes you add, the result will always be zero.

Of course, some of these are negative numbers, and the more elected, the worse off we will be.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 11:56:36 AM »
Where do you get that the Tea Party is comprised of anti-education fundies?

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 12:46:30 PM »
  I like a lot of his message , but I suspect he is playing his audience, perhasps he really does deserve the "Leonardo Da Vinchi" comparison because Leonardo could play his sponsors.

   I spotted a little error , the American Indians did make attempts to unify, Tesumpseh went a long way twards building a coalition strong enough to truely resist . He probly knows this but is pandering to an audience that largly doesn't.

   I think a guy that has mastered several feilds already is trying his hand at politics, I wish him well but I hope he doesn't need to depend on the ignorance of his audience all the time , he isn't trying to appeal to Democrats after all.

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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2012, 01:30:37 PM »
Where do you get that the Tea Party is comprised of anti-education fundies?
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They want to fire teachers and replace them. Many want to abolish public education entirely.  They are anti-global climate change, anti-evolution and want prayers in the schools.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2012, 02:38:32 PM »
I do believe you are letting others feed you a pack of lies.

You seem to be conflating social cons with fiscal cons.

And by the way there is absolutely nothing wrong with firing incompetent teachers an d replacing them with better ones. That is simply good business sense.




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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2012, 02:40:40 PM »
   I don't think that anyone that is a serious player wants to eliminate the public education system unless it can be replaced with something better.

    And conservitives are better sceptics, it will have to be demonstrably better.

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 07:11:36 PM »
The teabaggers are both social and fiscal conservatives. Essentially, they are a lumpenproletariat of social cons (anti-gay, anti=choice, pro prayer in the schools, pro conservative Christians who have been bought by some fiscal conservatives like the Kochs, Cato and the Birchers to resist change of all types.

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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 07:19:24 PM »
The teabaggers are both social and fiscal conservatives. Essentially, they are a lumpenproletariat of social cons (anti-gay, anti=choice, pro prayer in the schools, pro conservative Christians who have been bought by some fiscal conservatives like the Kochs, Cato and the Birchers to resist change of all types.


  Case in point, liberals are not sceptics at all, they accept what they are told without evidence.

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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2012, 12:15:11 AM »
Case in point, liberals are not sceptics at all, they accept what they are told without evidence.

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That is ridiculous. Being a skeptic is not a political characteristic at all. It depends on the individual.

Everything I said about teabaggers was a topic on the signs they carried around and the comments they made in interviews.
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2012, 02:58:23 AM »
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Everything I said about teabaggers was a topic on the signs they carried around and the comments they made in interviews.

How do you know the sign carriers were tea party folks and not infiltrators trying to discredit a nascent organization?

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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2012, 03:22:02 AM »
Because when you have 40 signs of this sort in a group of 100 or so people, it is obvious that the signs and the participants agree.
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