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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070407/ap_on_re_us/peace_house_woes

Crawford Peace House hit by strife

By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer

CRAWFORD, Texas - With allegations of money mismanagement, threats of court action and some members leaving, a group that has sponsored war protests in President Bush's adopted hometown has been anything but peaceful.

The Crawford Peace House recently lost its corporate charter with the state, and a former member who now has rights to the name is threatening legal action because the group continues operating.

Sara L. Oliver and some others are calling for a state investigation as to why only $14,700 is now in its bank account, saying tens of thousands donated during Cindy Sheehan's 2005 war protest are unaccounted for.

"There are people who have said, `Don't say anything because you'll hurt the peace movement,'" Oliver said. "But if the peace movement isn't pure and transparent and holy as it can be at its heart, then it's just like  George Bush: lying, thieving, conniving, backstabbing bastards."

John Wolf, who co-founded the Crawford Peace House in 2003 in a two-bedroom, one-bathroom white-clapboard house just across the railroad tracks from downtown, denied allegations of wrongdoing. He said the claims were by only a few people and would not hurt the work of the Crawford Peace House, which is planning a fourth anniversary celebration Sunday.

He said the Peace House has an accountant and has kept diligent records, which soon will be posted in its Web site. He said most of the $285,000 raised in 2005 was spent on food, van and bus rentals, gas and a large tent for the rallies at several events.

"All of this money was given to us to take care of people who came here, and that's what we did," Wolf said Friday. "If somebody has fantasies, I can't affect that."

The Crawford Peace House bank account had only $3 in early August 2005, but Sheehan's monthlong vigil in ditches off the road leading to Bush's ranch brought thousands of people and donations from across the country. Because the rural campsite was small, most protesters spent much of their time at the Peace House, which also became headquarters for Sheehan, whose son died in Iraq in 2004.

Wolf said he plans to turn in the franchise tax report next week — nearly a year late — to the Texas Comptroller's Office to regain the Peace House's corporate charter. The report was not filed sooner because the house's volunteer director was overwhelmed with other tasks and was confused about whether the paperwork had to be filed if no taxes were owed, he said.

Losing a corporate charter means the board members themselves are liable for any debts the entity might owe, the comptroller's office said.

Wolf said the Texas Secretary of State's Office made a mistake last month in allowing Oliver to file documents forming a nonprofit corporation called the Crawford Peace House.

Wolf said the Crawford Peace House that he co-founded still exists as an unincorporated entity, as well as a religious group, so Oliver is violating state statutes that prevent an organization from having the same or similar name as an existing one.

The Secretary of State's Office was closed Friday for the Easter holiday and no one could be reached for comment.

Wolf said the Peace House also was applying to become a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization.

Oliver, who said she left the group in 2005 after encountering hostility when she tried to help secure grants for it, said she doesn't want to form a counter group. But she said she would allow some current members to use the name, as long as the house director and leaders account for the money and resign.

Sandra Row, another former member, said up to 75 people have left the peace group over concerns about financial issues or hurt feelings. She said in the summer of 2005, she saw buckets of cash donations in the Peace House — some of which went to pay veterinarian bills for the cat living there. But some demonstrators who bought tents, lanterns and other supplies never got reimbursed, she said.

"You'll never know how much money there is because the cash is gone," Row said.

Wolf said he was not there every day but that the Peace House had receipts for all expenses.

Sheehan, whose name is listed on the 2005 franchise tax report as a Crawford Peace House board member, said Friday that she has never been consulted about its financial matters and knew nothing about the current situation.

Sheehan said the matter would not hurt the peace movement or the weekend's activities coinciding with Bush's weekend ranch visit.

About 50 protesters went to Sheehan's original campsite Friday afternoon and then marched about a mile down the winding, two-lane road to demonstrate in a ditch across from the roadblock set up when Bush is at his ranch.

"We do this to save other people's children, so they won't have to go through what we did," Sheehan said.



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OUCH.  When it rains, it pours, apparently
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Possible financial shenanigans in the anti-war movement. $? War dead in Iraq: priceless.

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Possible loss of life as a result of cut and run politics:  inestimable

I only post this as an antidote to the sanctification by many on the extreme left of the peace movement.  It is a political movement, not a moral one.  The ex-member was correct in saying that the peace movement is no holier than the Bush side.  There are, I am sure, many who identify with the peace movement who sincerely want nothing more than an end to war - a lofty goal if not a practical one.  But the leaders - and I pointedly include Ms. Sheehan in that group - are interested in political gain and are only using the peace movement as their springboard.  This does not significantly differ from most politicians, but that is exactly my point.

In the end, this political gamesmanship will only hurt the troops - not support them.  There is a great line from "1776" the musical.  Adams asks the secretary of Congress, Mr. Thomson, whether he stands with him (Adams) or John Dickenson on the issue of independence.  Mr. Thomson, referring to dispatches from Washington at the front, replies, "I stand with the General."
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Pooch, Cindy Sheehan always has been and always will be a deeply grieving mother who somehow hit upon this "gig" as a means of catharsis. I take her political impact to stem exclusively from her role as the mother of a deceased serviceman, with no apparent qualification beyond that.

As for "inestimable losses" from leaving Iraq too soon, that's rank speculation, and the counting doesn't start at zero but at 100 or so, the current daily death figure. The catch to my argument is not that there isn't a rational alternative to continuing the war + surge, but that it can't be implemented until Bush leaves office for he has proven to be one of least adaptive of presidents.

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I do not believe that Cindy Sheehan is as you describe her.  I believe she is an attention-seeking psycho who managed to stumble - through the good fortune (from her perspective) of her son's death - into a position of undeserved prominence.   I recognize that she deserves some sympathy for her loss - as any gold star mother would.  But I think she has prostituted her loss into a spotlight that dishonors, rather than honor's her son's sacrifice.

As to rank speculation, I would think "inestimable" would, by definition, preclude accusations of speculation.  I agree that the toll would start at the point where the we stand now, but I apply that same logic to the pre-war death toll during Saddam's regime.   

I agree that Bush has proven stubborn at times.  In a lot of cases I think it has hurt him, and our reputation.  But in general, I think he is right to be so.  Had he caved to Democratic pressure, they would be using that to accuse him of flip-flopping.  Had he tried pretty much any strategy, they would say it didn't work and blame him.  That is politics.  It is the same as the gutless Democrats who insist on denouncing the war as a matter of political expediency but then refuse to actually do something about it.  If they cut funding they will suffer for refusing to support the troops.  If they do what they are doing, they get accused on insincerity (deservedly so).  So Bush, in a no-win situation, takes the course he thinks is best as do the Democrats. 

Ultimately, it appears rational to say that both sides believe the funding should continue, but Bush is just willing to admit it in spite of the fact that most people disagree with him. 

Stubborn is not always a bad thing.
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the counting doesn't start at zero but at 100 or so, the current daily death figure.

If we were to accept your figure, which I do not, then the monthly death toll would be in the area of 3,000. The fact that the total death toll for 4 years is around 3,000 shows that your figure is about two orders of magnatude too high.
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Duh, Ami, Iraqis count in my world.

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Duh, Ami, Iraqis count in my world.

Even if we accept the Lancet's reported 100,000 civilian deaths, that still works out to an order of magnitude below your claim.
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Last i heard the Lancet was claiming 600,000 Iraqi casualties, Mikey ran with that figure for a fortnight.  But since they only publish their figures one month prior to a major election we will have to wait until '08 to see if they have corrected their methodology.

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Last i heard the Lancet was claiming 600,000 Iraqi casualties, Mikey ran with that figure for a fortnight.  But since they only publish their figures one month prior to a major election we will have to wait until '08 to see if they have corrected their methodology.

Well, actually, they published two reports. One only quoted a figure that was directly attributable to the war, which was around 100,000 (ie, they interviewed family of dead and tried to trace the cause of death back to an actual military engagement). The other quoted a figure where they pretty much claimed that the death of every person who ever saw an American was a war death, which was what Mikey was crowing about.

I guess if Domer was using the higher figure, he would have said "400 per day."
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