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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Mucho on October 29, 2006, 12:49:28 PM
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Remember - they know they can only win by keeping Repub idiots in power.
MSNBC.com
Al Qaeda: Plans for an October Surprise?
Newsweek
Nov. 6, 2006 issue - Is Osama bin Laden going to weigh in on the midterm elections? A senior counterterrorism official, anonymous, like other officials NEWSWEEK spoke to, because the subject is sensitive, says that based on previous patterns—such as the release of a rare bin Laden tape just before the 2004 presidential vote—a message before Election Day wouldn't be surprising. Private expert Evan Kohlmann, who consults for the Feds on terror probes, says Al Qaeda has lately released tapes at a rate of two or three per month. This month, he says, they are "short by one or two," so he thinks a pre-election message is a "very good likelihood." Another U.S. official says intel experts believe Al Qaeda wants to be "relevant" to the U.S. political process. But a third counterterror official says "we don't have any indication" Osama & Co. are about to surface. Spokesmen for the FBI and Homeland Security Department said they were unaware of specific intel foreshadowing an attack on U.S. soil before the elections. Overseas, the threat is more ominous: reports of a possible attack on Saudi oil installations (which could raise U.S. gas prices). The perpetrators would probably be Saudi Qaeda affiliates; methods could include truck or boat bombs. U.S. agencies are not certain of the threat's credibility, an official said.
—Mark Hosenball
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15463034/site/newsweek/
© 2006 MSNBC.com
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Remember - they know they can only win by keeping Repub idiots in power.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15463034/site/newsweek/
Win What?
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Remember - they know they can only win by keeping Repub idiots in power.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15463034/site/newsweek/
Win What?
What Bush calls The War on Terror. If there were a reasonably intelligent men in the White House and Congrass, Bin Laden wouldnt have a chance. But with the idiots in there now all he has to do is play rope -a- dope until we have spent all our money, power and international good will to claim victory.
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If there were a reasonably intelligent men in the White House and Congrass, Bin Laden wouldnt have a chance.
So Clinton was not reasonably inteliligent?
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If there were a reasonably intelligent men in the White House and Congrass, Bin Laden wouldnt have a chance.
So Clinton was not reasonably inteliligent?
Bill was more than reasonably intelligent. He was one of the smartest Pres ever. He would not have attacked the wrong country(Iraq) like the Bushidiot. I know your pointless is something different so spin your little heart out. That is all you guys have left.
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So Clinton was more than reasonably intelligent and Bin Laden still had a chance.
Why is that?
Perhaps you should be a bit more careful with the proclamations YOU make. I can promise you they will be examined and usually found wanting.
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So Clinton was more than reasonably intelligent and Bin Laden still had a chance.
Why is that?
Perhaps you should be a bit more careful with the proclamations YOU make. I can promise you they will be examined and usually found wanting.
I never said Osama had a chance against Biil. Bill woulda kicked Osama's ass just like he did the RW losers that tried to impeach him. Better be careful . Getting high on all those tax cuts have destroyed what little is left of your greedy little mind.
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Bill woulda kicked Osama's ass
Why didn't he ?
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Bill woulda kicked Osama's ass
Why didn't he ?
After kicking the Repubs fascist asses, he was busy kicking another fascist ass, Slobodan Milosevich. Bill was brilliant, but he wasn't God. A mere man can only do so much, ya know.
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After kicking the Repubs fascist asses, he was busy kicking another fascist ass, Slobodan Milosevich.
So Brilliant Bill placed Osama much lower on the priority list? Yet Osama was directly attacking american interests and Slobo wasn't. Wonder what criteria he used to set priorities?
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After kicking the Repubs fascist asses, he was busy kicking another fascist ass, Slobodan Milosevich.
So Brilliant Bill placed Osama much lower on the priority list? Yet Osama was directly attacking american interests and Slobo wasn't. Wonder what criteria he used to set priorities?
Much higher than Bush and his house slave did apparently:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906A.shtml
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Knute,
You said Clinton was so much smarter than Bush that it would have been no problem for Clinton to eliminate Bin Laden.
Osama had been stirring the po since at least 93. Clinton was President until 2001.
Why didn't he eliminate Bin Laden. Doesn't matter what Bush did. You specifically claimed that Clinton would have taken care of Bin Laden. He didn't when the ball was in his court.
Did you mispeak?
Because the record certainly shows that Clinton didn't do what you claimed he could do.
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Knute,
You said Clinton was so much smarter than Bush that it would have been no problem for Clinton to eliminate Bin Laden.
Osama had been stirring the po since at least 93. Clinton was President until 2001.
Why didn't he eliminate Bin Laden. Doesn't matter what Bush did. You specifically claimed that Clinton would have taken care of Bin Laden. He didn't when the ball was in his court.
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Doesn't matter what Bush did.
What?
No, it does too matter. Juniorbush has had a declaration of war, near-universel approval to go after OBL and a carte blanche to kill Bin Laden in two countries, and has not accomplished this goal.
Droolingly, knuckle-walkingly incompetent. That's Juniorbush.
Worst president since Jefferson Davis.
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Knute,
You said Clinton was so much smarter than Bush that it would have been no problem for Clinton to eliminate Bin Laden.
Osama had been stirring the po since at least 93. Clinton was President until 2001.
Why didn't he eliminate Bin Laden. Doesn't matter what Bush did. You specifically claimed that Clinton would have taken care of Bin Laden. He didn't when the ball was in his court.
Did you mispeak?
Because the record certainly shows that Clinton didn't do what you claimed he could do.
Although Bill was wrong to have gotten caught getting a blow job, it was the Repub morons that made it an overwhelming federal case . In addition , they fought Bill on nearly anything he did and would have called an attack on Bin laden "wagging the dog" as you called nearly everything good Bill did. Had Bin Laden attacked with such stunning success as he was able to do with the Bushidiot in charge, (it is clear now that Bush was warned about him and ignored the warnings) I believe he would have put everything into Afghanistan, stayed the course there and defeated Bin Laden instead of attacking his daddies enemies instead.
In addition, by stopping the genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo against Moslem's , Bill was winning over Moslems instead of needlessly killing them. He was being successful at undermining the Moslem peoples need to support terrorists to be heard. And , of course, Bush fucked THAT all up as well.
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So Brilliant Bill was easily distracted. Thought he was known for compartmentalizing.
Fact is I'm not faultig Bill for not getting Osama. I'm faulting you for making an unsubstantiated statement.
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So Brilliant Bill was easily distracted. Thought he was known for compartmentalizing.
Fact is I'm not faultig Bill for not getting Osama. I'm faulting you for making an unsubstantiated statement.
And I am faulting you for unsubstantiated reality. Bill WAS working on destroying Bin Laden and given the powers Bush usurped, he woulda got him. He was well on the way to destroying him by undermining his standing with Muslims. Even a weak suck like Al Gore would have succeeded with those powers where Bush has obviously failed. IMHO.
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Did Bill ask for those powers?
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Remember - they know they can only win by keeping Repub idiots in power.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15463034/site/newsweek/
Win What?
What Bush calls The War on Terror. If there were a reasonably intelligent men in the White House and Congrass, Bin Laden wouldnt have a chance. But with the idiots in there now all he has to do is play rope -a- dope until we have spent all our money, power and international good will to claim victory.
So Osama is liable to win the war on terror?
What will that be like for us?
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So Brilliant Bill was easily distracted. Thought he was known for compartmentalizing.
Fact is I'm not faultig Bill for not getting Osama. I'm faulting you for making an unsubstantiated statement.
And I am faulting you for unsubstantiated reality. Bill WAS working on destroying Bin Laden and given the powers Bush usurped, he woulda got him. He was well on the way to destroying him by undermining his standing with Muslims. Even a weak suck like Al Gore would have succeeded with those powers where Bush has obviously failed. IMHO.
It is quite possible to put a Clinton into the Whitehouse again Mark Rich is pardoned and President Bush has lubricated the channels of power , we could see Hillary become the Queen of the World?
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It is quite possible to put a Clinton into the Whitehouse again Mark Rich is pardoned and President Bush has lubricated the channels of power , we could see Hillary become the Queen of the World?
You must stop smoking that redneck weed this early, Plane. The only thing Bush lubricated was our assholes with KY in order to screw US easier.
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If there were a reasonably intelligent men in the White House and Congrass, Bin Laden wouldnt have a chance.
So Clinton was not reasonably inteliligent?
And you'll remember that bin Laden wasn't able to do much damage till Bush got in office and put all law enforcement to sleep on the whole thing and let bin Laden strike.
I can't wait for bin Laden's tape where he says that it was so easy to attack because Bush allowed it to happen. Oh wait, what am I saying? Bin Laden would never do that because the actors that play him work for BUSH and the Pentago!
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And you'll remember that bin Laden wasn't able to do much damage till Bush got in office and put all law enforcement to sleep on the whole thing and let bin Laden strike.
And that has what to do with Knutes claim that given the chance Clinton would have gotten Bin Laden.
Seems Clinton had 8 years worth of chances and he couldn't get it done.
And like i said i'm not really faulting Clinton. I understand a president has a lot on their plate
I'm faulting Knute for making such an easily proven false statement. And as far as i can tell the only thing he has to worry about is the after effects of his lobotomy.
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If there were a reasonably intelligent men in the White House and Congrass, Bin Laden wouldnt have a chance.
So Clinton was not reasonably inteliligent?
And you'll remember that bin Laden wasn't able to do much damage till Bush got in office and put all law enforcement to sleep on the whole thing and let bin Laden strike.
I can't wait for bin Laden's tape where he says that it was so easy to attack because Bush allowed it to happen. Oh wait, what am I saying? Bin Laden would never do that because the actors that play him work for BUSH and the Pentago!
You can't fool us .
Carl Rove is paying you to portray a conspiracy nut Democrat.
Admit it.
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And you'll remember that bin Laden wasn't able to do much damage till Bush got in office and put all law enforcement to sleep on the whole thing and let bin Laden strike.
And that has what to do with Knutes claim that given the chance Clinton would have gotten Bin Laden.
Seems Clinton had 8 years worth of chances and he couldn't get it done.
And like i said i'm not really faulting Clinton. I understand a president has a lot on their plate
I'm faulting Knute for making such an easily proven false statement. And as far as i can tell the only thing he has to worry about is the after effects of his lobotomy.
I must apologize to you BT. I keep forgetting that you are nearly as lame as the rest of the RWers in here. I said that Bill could defeat Bin Laden, not necessarily capture or kill him. If you remember , I said Bill was on the way to defeating him by saving Moslems from genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo. To real humans the defeat of your enemies does not always come through war. It can come through diplomacy and world cooperation regardless of what you fascist warmongers think. I guess I will need to have a lobotomy so that I can sometimes understand what y'all simpleminded RW mouthbreathers in here are thinking.
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I must apologize to you BT. I keep forgetting that you are nearly as lame as the rest of the RWers in here. I said that Bill could defeat Bin Laden, not necessarily capture or kill him.
Well he certainly didn't defeat him as you claimed he could.
And can you show how Bin Laden was involved in the Balkans?
To hear you talk, airlifting food to starving Muslims is all that is needed to shrivel al Queda to dust.
You really aren't being very convincing in your arguments.
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I must apologize to you BT. I keep forgetting that you are nearly as lame as the rest of the RWers in here. I said that Bill could defeat Bin Laden, not necessarily capture or kill him.
1)Well he certainly didn't defeat him as you claimed he could.
2)And can you show how Bin Laden was involved in the Balkans?
3)To hear you talk, airlifting food to starving Muslims is all that is needed to shrivel al Queda to dust.
4)You really aren't being very convincing in your arguments.
I never said he had defeated him, just that he would have if we were attacked by him when Bill had been in power. Bin Laden would not be that stupid , however, because he knows he needs an idiot like Bush in power here to have a chance at winning.
2) Classic straw man. Never said OBL was just that there are a lot of Moslems there that Bill saved and who now look at him as a liberator.
3 )Bill did much more than airlifting Halloween candy. He stopped a massive genocide against Moslems by a Christian madman who was much worse than Saddam. Bill took a lot of flack from you fair weather patriots who accused him of wagging the dog. He bombed the beJEEsus outa them just like he shoulda and lost none of our fighting men in the process.
4) I am not as dumb as you Repubs and would never believe I could ever convince you stubborn fascists of anything. I just love to see you squirm & spin like you are doing now.
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if we were attacked by him when Bill had been in power
we were attacked by him when bill was in power. the towers and the cole ring a bell?
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if we were attacked by him when Bill had been in power
we were attacked by him when bill was in power. the towers and the cole ring a bell?
There was no good proof until after 2000 that Osama was even involved:
Evidence of al-Qaeda's involvement was inconclusive for months after the attack. The staff of the 9-11 Commission found that al-Qaeda's direction of the bombing was under investigation but "increasingly clear" on November 11, 2000. It was an "unproven assumption" in late November. By December 21 the CIA had made a "preliminary judgment" that "al Qaeda appeared to have supported the attack," with no "definitive conclusion." [7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
Besides ,as tragic as the Cole was, iy paled by comparison to what the Bushidiot allowed to happen, 9/11, even after have been given warnings and plans by the Clinton Administration.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,333835,00.html
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There was no good proof until after 2000 that Osama was even involved:
It was known in 1995 that Al Queda was involved in the 1993 Twin Towers bombing.
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There was no good proof until after 2000 that Osama was even involved:
It was known in 1995 that Al Queda was involved in the 1993 Twin Towers bombing.
I don't think that the Kobat towers , Kenyan and Tanzasnean embassys or attempts to bring down a group of aircraft over the Pacific were entirely mysterious either.
Doesn't this point up the problems of treating a war like a law enforcement problem?
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There was no good proof until after 2000 that Osama was even involved:
It was known in 1995 that Al Queda was involved in the 1993 Twin Towers bombing.
I don't think that the Kobat towers , Kenyan and Tanzasnean embassys or attempts to bring down a group of aircraft over the Pacific were entirely mysterious either.
Doesn't this point up the problems of treating a war like a law enforcement problem?
As tragic as all that was , they did not result in wide scale loss of US life as Bushes inattention before 9/11 when he was warned and given a plan nor the addition nearly 3000 US troops that died in vain in Iraq since .It was a law enforcement problem before Bush screwed things up.
I believe that plan would have worked for Bill given enough time and would have surely been attended to by Al Gore.
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Doesn't matter which Bin Laden designed attack was more tragic.
You made a statement that Clinton would have gotten Bin Laden during his presidency. He didn't and you have been backpedalling ever since.
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There was no good proof until after 2000 that Osama was even involved:
It was known in 1995 that Al Queda was involved in the 1993 Twin Towers bombing.
I don't think that the Kobat towers , Kenyan and Tanzasnean embassys or attempts to bring down a group of aircraft over the Pacific were entirely mysterious either.
Doesn't this point up the problems of treating a war like a law enforcement problem?
As tragic as all that was , they did not result in wide scale loss of US life as Bushes inattention before 9/11 when he was warned and given a plan nor the addition nearly 3000 US troops that died in vain in Iraq since .It was a law enforcement problem before Bush screwed things up.
I believe that plan would have worked for Bill given enough time and would have surely been attended to by Al Gore.
To me it looks like a process of steady escalation as Al Queda learned methods and gained recorces and people that it could use.
I do not know if there was ever a time that the capture or killing of a few Al Queda officers would have been enough to do.
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Actually Bill DID catch the 1st WTC bombers because they were as greedy and stupid as Repubs.
The Annoying One
The 1993 World Trade Center attack was, it is generally held, an attempt to make one of the towers fall over onto the other, collapsing both, and then sending a huge plume of cyanide gas into New York City. Assuming every single planned aspect of the attack had followed through, tens of thousands would have died. This would have been an unforgettable holocaust across the city as the towers toppled onto whatever lay in the direction they fell.
It didn't quite work out that way, and in fact the general rule that terrorist cells tend to be quasi-fuckups at operations held true once more. The truck that lay against a wall in the parking garage was entirely too weak to do the job, and just succeeded in blowing a big hole beneath it. The cyanide gas, instead of blowing across the city in a fearsome tidal wave of death, instead was obliterated in the heat of the explosion. In all, a half-dozen were dead, and while everyone was shocked and dismayed, it seemed quite provincial in its scope: no dead children to grab the hearts of Americans (as occurred in the later Oklahoma City bombing), just some fuckery in downtown Manhattan.
The explosion didn't even obliterate the van that the explosives and gas were stored in; the massive army of inspectors, investigators and cops that overran the parking garage found pieces of it within days. As luck had it, the vehicle identification number (VIN) of the van was etched into one of the pieces. The feds talked to the Ryder rental agency that the van came from, and they indicated that the owners had reported the van stolen. And then came the phone call. Yes, that's right, the geniuses behind the attack had called to ask for the deposit on the van back. Busted http://www.rotten.com/library/history/wtc/