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Skulking Towards bin Laden: Obama Overridden by Military and Intel Officials in Takeout of OBL?
As Obama continues to politicize and mine the takedown of Osama Bin Laden and the outrageous "Islamic burial" that followed, new details emerge of his reluctance and refusal to sign off on the mission. It is the height of hypocrisy and crass opportunism to draw out the release of the death photos so as to prolong the news cycle on the story, and to neglect the tornado-ravaged parts of the country -- instead, Obama campaigns at Ground Zero on Thursday for an "O-victory lap," while it appears that in fact Obama had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the OBL operation.
The story that follows is deeply disturbing, but hardly surprising. When news broke that Obama rejected bombing the complex last month, one had to wonder why. It was reported that Obama feared collateral damage, despite being assured that the walls of the complex were high enough so that no civilians would be killed. Instead, he risked losing Americans in a mano-a-mano raid.
A reluctant American president who was ultimately overridden by senior military and intelligence officials to finally take out terrorist Osama Bin Laden? Ulstermann (hat tip CO)
Note: This communication came from our long time D.C. Insider and details previous and ongoing conflicts surrounding the decision to assassinate terrorist Osama Bin Laden. This has been reproduced here as originally communicated to us.
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Please get this out ASAP. Want specific people to know we know.
RE Osama Bin Laden. Significant push to take him out months ago. Senior WH staff resisted. This was cause of much strain between HC and Obama/Jarrett. HC and LP were in constant communication over matter ? both attempted to convince administration to act. Administration feared failure and resulting negative impact on president. Intel disgusted over politics over national security. Staff resigned/left. Check timeline to corroborate.
Now Intel already leaking to media facts surrounding how info obtained. Namely from enhanced interrogation efforts via GITMO prisoners. Obama administration placed in corner on this. Some media aware of danger to president RE this and attempting protection. Others looking for further investigation. We are pushing for them to follow through and already meeting with some access.
Point of determination made FOR Obama not BY Obama. Will clarify as details become more clear. Very clear divide between Military and WH. Jarrett marginalized 100% on decision to take out OBL. She played no part. BD worked with LP and HC to form coalition to force CoC to engage.
IMPORTANT SPECIFIC: When 48 hour go order issued, CoC was told, not requested. Administration scrambled to abort. That order was overruled. This order did not originate from CoC. Repeat ? this order did not originate from CoC. He complied, but did not originate.
Independent military contacts have confirmed. Stories corroborate one another. This is legit.
The killing of Osama Bin Laden was in fact a Coup within Obama WH.
Speaking with additional contacts RE info.
Stay safe.
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HC = Hillary Clinton
BD = Bill Daley
LP = Leon Panetta
CoC = Chain of Command/Commander in Chief
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/05/skulking-towards-bin-laden-obama-overridden-by-military-and-intel-officials-in-takeout-of-obl.html (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/05/skulking-towards-bin-laden-obama-overridden-by-military-and-intel-officials-in-takeout-of-obl.html)
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What's he (Obama) going to do about the coup, fire them all? He's a boy and this proves it. The little boy had to have his ass wiped and forced into the adult playground by the real men that stepped in and did the right thing.
Barry, get the hell out of the Oval Office and go play a round of golf and get the hell out of the way.
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I seriously do not like this theroy.
There is very good reason for the President to be commander in cheif, this is the means by which the people controll the military rather than putting up with it the other way around.
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I would like to have an expert in body language and a psychologist analyze this picture and tell me what the think about the boys slouching body language and facial expression. To me he looks small, too small to be a president.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2011/05/02/879590binladenobamawarroom_1.jpg
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>>When news broke that Obama rejected bombing the complex last month, one had to wonder why. It was reported that Obama feared collateral damage, despite being assured that the walls of the complex were high enough so that no civilians would be killed. Instead, he risked losing Americans in a mano-a-mano raid.<<
First of all, if you bomb the complex, who is going to do the BDA? It takes boots on the ground to do the kind of BDA necessary when one person was the target and the body is lying in pieces amongst piles of rubble. So, you blow the hell out it, the Pakistani military and or police is at the compound within probably 20 to 30 minutes, now what? It's at night. Your SEAL team has to be in the area anyway to do the Bomb Damage Assessment. They walk around with flashlights looking for a piece of Bin Laden?
As MT would say, hilarious.
BSB
And BTW, SEALS wait an entire lifetime to go on a mission like this. They love it.
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It went well , arguing with success is tough.
I might have brought Osama to the Smithsonian for a bit of Taxidermy, but I might have been wrong.
A few years back the CIA pulled a wrecked Soviet submarine off the sea bottom, there were a few bodys recovered in the wreckage, there is a film of the CIA bvurying these bodys at sea with appropriate military honors. I don't think it actually produced KGB goodwill , but perhaps it didn't needlessly reinforce the hatred and negativity.
All in all I think that showing respect to the defeated is a good idea , even if all we get from it is a higher opinion of ourselves.
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utterly amazing BT!.....Thanks for posting this.
Obama and Jarrett knowing we had Bin Laden and refusing to act!
then Obama had to be "conned" into acting because it might leak he didnt act would be worse
this is so sad for our country to have a man like this in charge of everything
sad to see people like Hillary, Panetta, Daley, Gates practically begging "we've got Bin Laden please let us get him"!
freaking insanity that this moron Obama runs this once great country!
"What happened from there is what was described by me as a "masterful manipulation" by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden's location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president's inaction would be "significant to the point of political debilitation." It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta's permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president's full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president's indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order."
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Lets see.
Obama thinks it over, gives the only order that makes sense, go in and kill him. It works. Bin Laden is dead.
The CIA and Delta request from Rumsfeld(Sec of Def)/Bush(CIC) several units from the 75th Rangers because they have Bin Laden located in the Tora Bora mountains. Request denied. Bin Laden gets away.
BSB
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Lets see. Obama thinks it over, gives the only order that makes sense, go in and kill him. It works. Bin Laden is dead.
The CIA and Delta request from Rumsfeld(Sec of Def)/Bush(CIC) several units from the 75th Rangers because they have Bin Laden located in the Tora Bora mountains. Request denied. Bin Laden gets away.BSB
Lets see......what a load of crap.
Comparing the Tora Bora mountains to a single house on a street in Pakistan....laughable.
They never had a positive ID on where Bin Laden was in that vast mountain area.
Your analogy does not hold up to logic
But why am i surprised from someone that cheers higher gas prices on the poor and soccer Moms
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Lets see. Obama thinks it over, gives the only order that makes sense, go in and kill him. It works. Bin Laden is dead.
The CIA and Delta request from Rumsfeld(Sec of Def)/Bush(CIC) several units from the 75th Rangers because they have Bin Laden located in the Tora Bora mountains. Request denied. Bin Laden gets away.BSB
Lets see......what a load of crap.
Comparing the Tora Bora mountains to a single house on a street in Pakistan....laughable.
They never had a positive ID on where Bin Laden was in that vast mountain area.
Your analogy does not hold up to logic
But why am i surprised from someone that cheers higher gas prices on the poor and soccer Moms
IIRC, I do believe Clinton had him in his sights 1st, with on the ground intel. Had him pegged, on numerous occasions, and Clinton denied the execution of any plan
IF, we're going to be objective here
And speaking of being objective, IIRC, we did go into Tora Bora, but the Pakistani Government, who we had given a heads up to, helped give Usama a heads up, as well as assistance into Pakistan
IIRC
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Do your homework boys. I've only put up the facts on Tora Bora about 20 times in here starting from when it happened. The CIA and Delta had him located and were waiting for Bush and Rumy to send in the 75th.
Look it up for christ sake.
BSB
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Do your homework boys. I've only put up the facts on Tora Bora about 20 times in here starting from when it happened. The CIA and Delta had him located and were waiting for Bush and Rumy to send in the 75th.
Look it up for christ sake.
BSB
How would the world be different if we got Bin Laden then?
How is it different if we got Bin Laden now?
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If they had got bin Laden at Tora Bora, they could have been out of Afghanistan in a year or so, I imagine.
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If they had got bin Laden at Tora Bora, they could have been out of Afghanistan in a year or so, I imagine.
We kinda were for a while
Then we came back.
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http://foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Tora_Bora_Report.pdf. (http://foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Tora_Bora_Report.pdf.)
Good lord, it won't let me post a cut and paste. Anyway, check that URL.
BSB
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http://foreign.senate.gov/reports/download/?id=30753123-b747-4b7c-83fb-d350cc0aacef (http://foreign.senate.gov/reports/download/?id=30753123-b747-4b7c-83fb-d350cc0aacef)
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BT: "How would the world be different if we got Bin Laden then?
How is it different if we got Bin Laden now?"
Well, I'm responding to all the nonsense by CU4, aka Mr. Debeka File. That doesn't have anything to do with how it would be different.............
But, generally you can't get into how it would be different theories. Suppose Bush got Bin Laden at Tora Bora. Suppose when he heard the news he choked on a pretzel and died. Suppose president Cheney invaded Iraq, Iran, Saudi, and Poland. Suppose..........
The facts are, though, that Obama did not pass on the chance to get Bin Laden, and Bush did.
BSB
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So did Clinton. I guess we need to execute him, and throw him over the side of a naval vessel
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BT: "How would the world be different if we got Bin Laden then?
How is it different if we got Bin Laden now?"
Well, I'm responding to all the nonsense by CU4, aka Mr. Debeka File. That doesn't have anything to do with how it would be different.............
But, generally you can't get into how it would be different theories. Suppose Bush got Bin Laden at Tora Bora. Suppose when he heard the news he choked on a pretzel and died. Suppose president Cheney invaded Iraq, Iran, Saudi, and Poland. Suppose..........
The facts are, though, that Obama did not pass on the chance to get Bin Laden, and Bush did.
BSB
If he got him, he deserves an attaboy.
And on our way out of Afghanistan i hope we do the same to Karzai, corrupt bastard that he is.
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See if this works:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dA6ehC2fx0IJ:http://foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Tora_Bora_Report.pdf+CIA+and+Delta+Tora+Bora&hl=en&ct=clnk (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dA6ehC2fx0IJ:http://foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Tora_Bora_Report.pdf+CIA+and+Delta+Tora+Bora&hl=en&ct=clnk)
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So you think Biun Laden closed the deal on a Paki Nuke and that will be the grand finale?
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"So you think Biun Laden closed the deal on a Paki Nuke and that will be the grand finale?"
Frightening thought. Talk about what now? That's why we have to continue to suck up to those assholes.
My brother in law was an officer in the SEALS. His expertise was disarming nuclear weapons. I should ask him how difficult it would be to sneak a Nuke in here. He's still pretty closed mouth about that kind of thing. He was in during the Cuban missile crisis and to this day he won't say anything to me or my sister about what he was doing. They were stationed in Florida at the time, so I know he was doing whatever the SEALS were doing off, around, and maybe on, Cuba.
BSB
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Forgive me if I accept the words of General Tommy Franks
over John "Throw Away US Medals" Fraud Kerry.
General Tommy Franks:
"We don't know to this day whether Mr. bin Laden was at Tora Bora in December 2001.
Some intelligence sources said he was; others indicated he was in Pakistan at the time...
Tora Bora was teeming with Taliban and Qaeda operatives ... but Mr. bin Laden was never within our grasp"
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__ZRjDTujoEo/SSSnuJkqO4I/AAAAAAAAAgI/aFcXc3PI-pY/s400/Kerry.jpg)
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CU4, give it up man. You don't know a thing about this kind of stuff. You don't even know what you're reading most of the time. Kerry isn't supplying the information. He's receiving it. Gen Franks was just protecting Bush's, his own, and Rummy's, ass. That couldn't be more obvious. Further, Franks retired in disgrace. He ran out of Iraq because..............oh well...........you're way too uniformed to bother with. You should get into politics. You've got political hack written all over you.
BSB
Plane, I need your God for a minute. The Buddha doesn't listen to this kind of stuff.
Dear God, why do these people enjoy being so ill-informed?
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BSB
Plane, I need your God for a minute. The Buddha doesn't listen to this kind of stuff.
Dear God, why do these people enjoy being so ill-informed?
My God says he loves you and can support you in any ordeal with the gift of strength and grace.
Buddah says you can choose how much to care about what somebody says .
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CU4, give it up man. You don't know a thing about this kind of stuff.
Yeah sure BSb...General Tommy Franks, former commander in chief of the
Central Command is a worthless source, but John Kerry is a great source!
Dear God General Franks why are you soooo ill-informed! ;D
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War of Words
By TOMMY FRANKS
October 19, 2004
President Bush and Senator John Kerry have very different views of the war on terrorism, and those differences ought to be debated in this presidential campaign. But the debate should focus on facts, not distortions of history.
On more than one occasion, Senator Kerry has referred to the fight at Tora Bora in Afghanistan during late 2001 as a missed opportunity for America. He claims that our forces had Osama bin Laden cornered and allowed him to escape. How did it happen? According to Mr. Kerry, we "outsourced" the job to Afghan warlords. As commander of the allied forces in the Middle East, I was responsible for the operation at Tora Bora, and I can tell you that the senator's understanding of events doesn't square with reality.
First, take Mr. Kerry's contention that we "had an opportunity to capture or kill Osama bin Laden" and that "we had him surrounded." We don't know to this day whether Mr. bin Laden was at Tora Bora in December 2001. Some intelligence sources said he was; others indicated he was in Pakistan at the time; still others suggested he was in Kashmir. Tora Bora was teeming with Taliban and Qaeda operatives, many of whom were killed or captured, but Mr. bin Laden was never within our grasp.
Second, we did not "outsource" military action. We did rely heavily on Afghans because they knew Tora Bora, a mountainous, geographically difficult region on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is where Afghan mujahedeen holed up for years, keeping alive their resistance to the Soviet Union. Killing and capturing Taliban and Qaeda fighters was best done by the Afghan fighters who already knew the caves and tunnels.
Third, the Afghans weren't left to do the job alone. Special forces from the United States and several other countries were there, providing tactical leadership and calling in air strikes. Pakistani troops also provided significant help - as many as 100,000 sealed the border and rounded up hundreds of Qaeda and Taliban fighters.
Contrary to Senator Kerry, President Bush never "took his eye off the ball" when it came to Osama bin Laden. The war on terrorism has a global focus. It cannot be divided into separate and unrelated wars, one in Afghanistan and another in Iraq. Both are part of the same effort to capture and kill terrorists before they are able to strike America again, potentially with weapons of mass destruction. Terrorist cells are operating in some 60 countries, and the United States, in coordination with dozens of allies, is waging this war on many fronts.
As we planned for potential military action in Iraq and conducted counterterrorist operations in several other countries in the region, Afghanistan remained a center of focus. Neither attention nor manpower was diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq. When we started Operation Iraqi Freedom we had about 9,500 troops in Afghanistan, and by the time we finished major combat operations in Iraq last May we had more than 10,000 troops in Afghanistan.
We are committed to winning this war on all fronts, and we are making impressive gains. Afghanistan has held the first free elections in its history. Iraq is led by a free government made up of its own citizens. By the end of this year, NATO and American forces will have trained 125,000 Iraqis to enforce the law, fight insurgents and secure the borders. This is in addition to the great humanitarian progress already achieved in Iraq.
Many hurdles remain, of course. But the gravest danger would result from the withdrawal of American troops before we finish our work. Today we are asking our servicemen and women to do more, in more places, than we have in decades. They deserve honest, consistent, no-spin leadership that respects them, their families and their sacrifices. The war against terrorism is the right war at the right time for the right reasons. And Iraq is one of the places that war must be fought and won. George W. Bush has his eye on that ball and Senator John Kerry does not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/opinion/19franks.html?_r=2&oref=login&oref=login (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/opinion/19franks.html?_r=2&oref=login&oref=login)
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Franks - Oct. 19 2004
Election day - Nov. 2 2004
Ah, duh, Franks comments couldn't have been political, ah duh, do you think?
BSB
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Ah, duh, Franks comments couldn't have been political, ah duh, do you think?
Ah, duh, John Kerry's comments couldn't have been politcal, ah duh, do you think?
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and talking about stuff ten years ago is just your lame-ass diversion
away from this insanity of the article BT posted about so much of the Obama
staff basically having to con Obama into taking action against Bin Laden
when they knew the exact house he was in for months! Freaking Insane!
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Look, shit for brains, if you had any idea where you were, or who you were talking to, you'd know I can't stand John Kerry. Second, Kerry has nothing to do with the facts surrounding Tora Bora. You're building a strawman. So not only are you pathetically uninformed, you're highly disingenuous. Third, obviously, I'm talking about Bush and his failure to get Bin Laden because idiots like you are pretending Obama didn't have the balls to pull the triger on Bin Laden when in fact it was Bush who didn't have the balls.
Go back to the debeka file and pretend you know something.
BSB
BTW: BT what happened to your plan to get some new blood in here with some brains. CU4 couldn't drive a garbage truck.
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Actually, and factually, it was Clinton who didn't have the balls
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Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden, and Juniorbush could have done the same. They both had the chance.
But Obama actually did it. All the rest is just rhetoric.
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Coulda, shoulda, didn't vs did. The issue is in being objective, vs being some rabid BDS'er
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Look, shit for brains, if you had any idea where you were, or who you were talking to, you'd know I can't stand John Kerry. Second, Kerry has nothing to do with the facts surrounding Tora Bora. You're building a strawman.
You brought John Kerry into this thread (not I) by posting a link to some report that he chaired
So not only are you pathetically uninformed, you're highly disingenuous.
I just read the words of Centcom Chairmen and people that ran the CIA's Bin Laden
Task Force under President Clinton.
Third, obviously, I'm talking about Bush and his failure to get Bin Laden because idiots
like you are pretending Obama didn't have the balls to pull the triger on Bin Laden
when in fact it was Bush who didn't have the balls.
The head of the Clinton CIA Bin Laden Task Force Michael Scheuer has stated
President Clinton was given eight to 10 chances to kill or capture bin Laden
but refused to act. So if Clinton had acted Sept 11th and Tora Bora probably
wouldnt even have ever happened.
In fact Michael Scheuer had these exact words to say:
Scheuer acknowledged that there is plenty of blame to go around for not getting
Bin Laden, but asserted that Clinton bears most of it:
"Oh, I think there's plenty of blame to go around, sir, but the fact of the matter is that
the Bush Administration had one chance that they botched, and the Clinton Administration
had eight to ten chances that they refused to try..."
http://newsbusters.org/media/2006-09-25-CBSTES.wmv (http://newsbusters.org/media/2006-09-25-CBSTES.wmv)
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Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden, and Juniorbush could have done the same. They both had the chance.
But Obama actually did it. All the rest is just rhetoric.
what exactly did obama do?
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He said "go"
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Well, Christian with less, I'm not sure yet whether you're actually as ignorant as you appear or just highly disingenuous. The source of both is poor effort and unfortunately the end product of both makes one a good fit here at 3DHS. Too bad. I'm sure you know about some things that I don't and when it comes to what we've been talking about here there are few in the general population who know more then I do.
BSB
BT, new blood? Is it coming?
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Well, Christian with less, I'm not sure yet whether you're actually as ignorant as you appear or just highly disingenuous. The source of both is poor effort and unfortunately the end product of both makes one a good fit here at 3DHS. Too bad. I'm sure you know about some things that I don't and when it comes to what we've been talking about here there are few in the general population who know more then I do.
BSB
BT, new blood? Is it coming?
Once we get some of the behavior problems solved, i will be running some google ads to draw new members.
When it's time to flip the switch everyone will have to come into the forums from this link.
http://debategate.com/ (http://debategate.com/)
And hopefully people will feel comfortable inviting friends from other forums and facebook to join in. Problem with that is you possibly lose anonymity. As it stands now the only people signing up are eastern europeans who i assume are harvesting email addresses for spam. And i reject them so they can't view members lists.
I am open to any suggestions as to how to improve the forum and site and how to increase membership.
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We can't kill everyone that wants to be an enemy,there is too much replenishment.
Every now and then when an enemy rises in signifigance to the point that he is worth the effort and it will really reduce the threat to go get him, then we ought to go on and get him.
Osama was not born dangerous , I think that the time when he grew in signifigance as an enemy was during Clintons watch, early in the Clinton regime it would have been strange to mount a major operation just to get OBL he just didn't seem all that important , later when he had accomplished more fatal attacks on Americans and others he was getting more attention and more effort in a ramping up of resorces Osama also devoted more and more to avoiding capture or assination, in this era I think the worst mistake was useing important evidence gleaned from listening to OBL cell phone in the conviction of a terrorist at trial, OBL stopped useing cell phones and we lost that handle on his whereabouts.
While president Bush was chaseing OBL overwhelming power was used at times , I don't see how surgeing more or sooner would have garunteed OBLs being caught, already enough was put into Afganistan to win territory at will , would more have been more productive or redundant? I think we learned with the surge that more sooner would indeed have been productive , going small in Afganistan might be the mistake of this era.
While Obama is president OBL actually gets run to ground and shot, can't argue that there was ineffectiveness or bad decisions in the face of success.
Gathering inteligence on OBL started a long time ago and the determination to kill or capture has been long running, what got OBL was persistance.
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yeah Clinton had multiple chances to kill Bin Laden that could have prevented the worst attack
on the country in US history......
ya know the President Clinton that never once met one-on-one with his CIA director James Woolsey....course ole Slick Willy always found time to get "face to face" with Monica Lewinsky!
married men gots better things to do that meet one on one with CIA Directors!
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Bin Laden was certainly not turned into an enemy by Bill Clinton. He was a guy who hated godless Communists and discovered, after working with Americans, that Americans were every bit as evil from his point of view as the Russians. And I really donlt think that Monica Lewinsky had one thing to do with Clinton not taking out bin Laden.
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Doesn't matter. Simple math, Clinton had 8-10 chances to take him down. He didn't take 1
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I don't know when Bin Laden became "a bad man" but I do know he learned a lot from us. One of the ways we brought down the USSR was by forcing them to over extend themselves in Afghanistan. He watched that whole thing unfold and turned around and applied the same formula to us. Just look at all the money we've spent fighting terrorism since 9/11.
BSB
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I don't know when Bin Laden became "a bad man" but I do know he learned a lot from us. One of the ways we brought down the USSR was by forcing them to over extend themselves in Afghanistan. He watched that whole thing unfold and turned around and applied the same formula to us. Just look at all the money we've spent fighting terrorism since 9/11.
BSB
Ah yes , but... He seemed also to learn that the US is impatient and not persistant!
He was quite wrong on that point.
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Plane: "He was quite wrong on that point."
Yes he was. His assassination, almost ten years on from 9/11, proves your point. Good for us.
BSB
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I don't know when Bin Laden became "a bad man" but I do know he learned a lot from us. One of the ways we brought down the USSR was by forcing them to over extend themselves in Afghanistan. He watched that whole thing unfold and turned around and applied the same formula to us. Just look at all the money we've spent fighting terrorism since 9/11.
BSB
He couldn't have done it without the Democrat Party and some Republicans!
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I am open to any suggestions as to how to improve the forum and site and how to increase membership.
we used to have another forum for the insults but it keeps coming back here. shame we don`t have a program that shunts folks who uses 7+ dirty words.
people are still allowed to insult but they need to be creative about it.
I`m immune.
it may actually encourage insulting but in fun ways
ex.
May three bazillion flea-ridden Iowa Hawkeye Football Players declare bankruptcy after investing in 2 tons of lime jello while fending off your rug burnt shaft.
May a quartet of Swahilli McDonalds employees feel the wrath of elephant dung after being forced to smell your gold plated Prime Number Shitting Bear.
May a baker's dozen of inbred strippers bring life to Monica Lewinsky after having a "bad experience" with your tongue.
May 101 delicious lemmings hide eggnog after abducting your chocolate covered chicken head.
May you witness irresponsible SWBell technical support ignite a fire of Taco Bell Gorditas after hearing a loud *pop* coming from your imaginary forehead.
May one million flaccid Santa Clauses perform sensual massages to dust bunnies around your ant farm.
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May you fall in the latrine ten seconds before the Ukrainian Army finishes a prune and pork banquet.
(That is an old Yiddish insult, I believe)
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I love it.
in fact I was originally inspired by a yiddish insult book.
I can`t get enough of these
that and pick up lines.
ooh wee ya`ll look finer than a new set of snow tires
ya`ll look prettier than a pole cat in a rocking chair factory