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A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« on: November 18, 2012, 09:35:12 PM »
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A Phony Hero for a Phony War
By LUCIAN K. TRUSCOTT IV

FASTIDIOUSNESS is never a good sign in a general officer. Though strutting military peacocks go back to Alexander’s time, our first was MacArthur, who seemed at times to care more about how much gold braid decorated the brim of his cap than he did about how many bodies he left on beachheads across the Pacific. Next came Westmoreland, with his starched fatigues in Vietnam. In our time, Gen. David H. Petraeus has set the bar high. Never has so much beribboned finery decorated a general’s uniform since Al Haig passed through the sally ports of West Point on his way to the White House.

“What’s wrong with a general looking good?” you may wonder. I would propose that every moment a general spends on his uniform jacket is a moment he’s not doing his job, which is supposed to be leading soldiers in combat and winning wars — something we, and our generals, stopped doing about the time that MacArthur gold-braided his way around the stalemated Korean War.

And now comes “Dave” Petraeus, and the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. No matter how good he looked in his biographer-mistress’s book, it doesn’t make up for the fact that we failed to conquer the countries we invaded, and ended up occupying undefeated nations.

The genius of General Petraeus was to recognize early on that the war he had been sent to fight in Iraq wasn’t a real war at all. This is what the public and the news media — lamenting the fall of the brilliant hero undone by a tawdry affair — have failed to see. He wasn’t the military magician portrayed in the press; he was a self-constructed hologram, emitting an aura of preening heroism for the ever eager cameras.

I spent part of the fall of 2003 with General Petraeus and the 101st Airborne Division in and around Mosul, Iraq. One of the first questions I asked him was what his orders had been. Was he ordered to “take Mosul,” I asked. No answer. How about “Find Mosul and report back”? No answer. Finally I asked him if his orders were something along the lines of “Go to Mosul!” He gave me an almost imperceptible nod. It must have been the first time an American combat infantry division had been ordered into battle so casually.

General Petraeus is very, very clever, which is quite different from stating that he is the brilliant tactician he has been described as. He figured if he hadn’t actually been given the mission to “win” the “war” he found himself in, he could at least look good in the meantime. And the truth is he did a lot of good things, like conceiving of the idea of basically buying the loyalties of various factions in Iraq. But they weren’t the kinds of things that win wars. In fact, they were the kinds of things that prolong wars, which for the general had the useful side effect of putting him on ever grander stages so he could be seen doing ever grander things, culminating in his appointment last year as the director of the C.I.A.

The thing he learned to do better than anything else was present the image of The Man You Turn To When Things Get Tough. (Who can forget the Newsweek cover, “Can This Man Save Iraq?” with a photo of General Petraeus looking very Princeton-educated in his Westy-starched fatigues?) He was so good at it that he conned the news media into thinking he was the most remarkable general officer in the last 40 years, and, by playing hard to get, he conned the political establishment into thinking that he could morph into Ike Part Deux and might one day be persuaded to lead a moribund political party back to the White House.

THE problem was that he hadn’t led his own Army to win anything even approximating a victory in either Iraq or Afghanistan. It’s not just General Petraeus. The fact is that none of our generals have led us to a victory since men like Patton and my grandfather, Lucian King Truscott Jr., stormed the beaches of North Africa and southern France with blood in their eyes and military murder on their minds.

Those generals, in my humble opinion, were nearly psychotic in their drive to kill enemy soldiers and subjugate enemy nations. Thankfully, we will probably never have cause to go back to those blood-soaked days. But we still shouldn’t allow our military establishment to give us one generation after another of imitation generals who pretend to greatness on talk shows and photo spreads, jetting around the world in military-spec business jets.

The generals who won World War II were the kind of men who, as it was said at the time, chewed nails for breakfast, spit tacks at lunch and picked their teeth with their pistol barrels. General Petraeus probably flosses. He didn’t chew nails and spit tacks, but rather challenged privates to push-up contests and went out on five-mile reveille runs with biographers.

His greatest accomplishment was merely personal: he transformed himself from an intellectual nerd into a rock star military man. The problem was that he got so lost among his hangers-on and handlers and roadies and groupies that he finally had his head turned by a West Point babe in a sleeveless top.

If only our political leadership, not to mention the Iraqi and Afghan insurgencies, had known how quickly and hard he would fall over such a petty, ignominious affair. Think of how many tens of thousands of lives could have been saved by ending those conflicts much earlier and sending Dave and his merry band of Doonesbury generals to the showers.

A novelist and journalist who is writing his new book on the blog Dying of a Broken Heart.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/opinion/sunday/a-phony-hero-for-a-phony-war.html

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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2012, 10:16:45 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/

http://www.amazon.com/Generals-American-Military-Command-World/dp/1594204047/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1353291185&sr=1-1&keywords=generals+ricks#reader_1594204047


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History has been kind to the American generals of World War II—Marshall, Eisenhower, Patton, and Bradley—and less kind to the generals of the wars that followed. In The Generals, Thomas E. Ricks sets out to explain why that is. In part it is the story of a widening gulf between performance and accountability. During the Second World War, scores of American generals were relieved of command simply for not being good enough. Today, as one American colonel said bitterly during the Iraq War, “As matters stand now, a private who loses a rifle suffers far greater consequences than a general who loses a war.”

In The Generals we meet great leaders and suspect ones, generals who rose to the occasion and those who failed themselves and their soldiers. Marshall and Eisenhower cast long shadows over this story, as does the less familiar Marine General O. P. Smith, whose fighting retreat from the Chinese onslaught into Korea in the winter of 1950 snatched a kind of victory from the jaws of annihilation.


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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2012, 11:30:26 PM »
Well, of course it always takes more guts to sit on the sidelines and be famous for your grandfather then actually play in the game.


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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2012, 12:18:43 AM »
A couple of things struck me about this article. First:

The genius of General Petraeus was to recognize early on that the war he had been sent to fight in Iraq wasn’t a real war at all.

I wonder if the over 4,000 dead American soldiers we brought back then were real dead soldiers, or if the thousands of other wounded troops brought back were real casualties? Maybe Mr. The Fourth can look into that for me.

Second, if I remember correctly, Colonel Lucian Truscott Jr. (later general) at one time, in northern Sicily, tried to beg off an end around amphibious landing and assault behind German lines so Patton's army could break through and end a stalemate on their way to Messina. Patton swiftly reminded him the landing was on, and if Grandpappy Truscott couldn't make it happen, Patton would find another commander who could. Colonel Truscott made it happen. Even good officers need a swift kick in the ass sometimes.
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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2012, 06:57:40 AM »
"I wonder if the over 4,000 dead American soldiers we brought back then were real dead soldiers, or if the thousands of other wounded troops brought back were real casualties? Maybe Mr. The Fourth can look into that for me."

Right, ask a triple amputee how phony these wars were/are.

Every once in a while you get a clown like this guy. The thing that bothers me the most is that some of them actually manage to get a fairly significant number of believers who go out and buy their books, and talk them up.

Do you remember the book "Stolen Valor" written by B.G. Burkett? It seemed like a nice Patriotic book designed to flush out Vietnam war phonies, and set the record straight.  There was a slight problem though, Burkett didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. That didn't stop people from buying it and the book getting several awards though.

I read about a half a chapter of the book and decided to call Burkett up. I told him what I thought, and added that he was doing a greater disservice then the phonies he was outing. His reply:  "You're only going on personal experience.  I've studied this." I replied back, "Right, I'm going on personal experience and you don't have any." (Burkett served in Vietnam but was never out in the field. He was a REMF in other words) I offered to debate him on the radio. He could pick the station, location, audience, whatever.  He wouldn't do it.


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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2012, 10:01:20 AM »
The basic message here seems to be "My Grandpappy could have eaten guys like Petraeus for breakfast", but of course, the goal in WWII was simply to destroy everything,and that was NOT the goal in Iraq or Afghanistan. Diufferent times, different places, apples and oranges. Now the rightwingers hate Petraeus because he helped President Obama get reelected. Before, he was a hero. I find all this to be a waste of time and pixels. We won't know the real results of the last wars for a decade or so, and Petraeus was not the only player.

Petraeus was clearly no dummy, except for his affair with Broadwhasit. As for the rest, I will simply wait and see.
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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2012, 08:58:32 PM »
I am pretty sure that I will never have direct experience as a flag officer, I am too old now and never even tried for that career path.

I still need an opinion, where am I going to get one?

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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2012, 10:25:28 PM »
What do you need an opinion about?
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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2012, 11:09:31 AM »
What do you need an opinion about?

I feel a duty at voting time .

This implys a duty before voting time to learn as much as I practicaly can about the truth, and the people I am stamping my approval on.

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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2012, 12:37:52 PM »
My opinion is that you are getting your truths from various centers of untruthiness.
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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2012, 04:26:22 PM »
My opinion is that you are getting your truths from various centers of untruthiness.

Quite.

That is needed like virtual vitamins.

If I didn't know where to find you already I would be out looking for someone whose POV did not align with what I already have.

Every now and then I learn something this way that can't be learned by staying in the rut I wear .

This usually means I acheive a new rut but that is better than nothing.

So thank you, I really just cannot thank you often enough.

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Re: A Phony Hero for a Phony War
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2012, 08:21:45 PM »
I would not call Petraeus a phony, nor were the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan phony. They just were not like WWII. As BSB says, the soldiers that were killed and maimed were no less dead and maimed.

I think it is strange that when some clown said Petraeus might "betray us", the rightwing was allover them. Then Petraeus managed to agree with President Obama and it seems like the same dorks are accusing him of being a phony.  I think he was a pretty good commander from what I have read, certainly more clever than Rumsfeld, and am sorry he was forced to resign
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