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Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« on: August 25, 2010, 04:46:36 PM »
Bigotry you say?  Prejudice?  How about Compassionate?  Resepectful?

"Where are the Republican leaders who will reject pandering and prejudice?" wailed The Washington Post in its most recent editorial in support of Cordoba House mosque near Ground Zero.

Like the controversy over the mosque, the Post editorial reveals the two Americas we have become, uncomprehending of and hostile to each other, even as we drift apart.

To the Post, opposition boils down to three arguments, all of them "objectionable."

The first is a wrong-headed belief "that the terrorists who destroyed the World Trade Center and killed almost 3,000 people there in 2001 really did represent Islam."

The second is that, as many families of 9/11 victims associate the terrorists with Islam, to build a mosque near the scene of the massacre would be sacrilegious and wounding.

The third is cynical politics. As two-in-three Americans oppose the mosque, siding with them and savaging supporters of Cordoba House is to run unconscionably with the crowd.

None of these arguments is acceptable, says the Post, for they represent misunderstanding, prejudice or "repugnant" politics.

What the Post (and many here in the saloon claim) is saying is that opponents of the mosque are all either bigoted ignoramuses or political panderers.

Quite a statement, when a Time poll finds that 61 percent of Americans oppose the mosque and 70 percent believe that to build it near Ground Zero would defile hallowed ground.

"The right response to misunderstanding and prejudice," said the Post, "is education, not appeasement."

In short, rather than yield to ignorance, bigotry and demagoguery, the Post will undertake to tutor us on how to think correctly.

This is a pure extract of liberal ideology. Few better examples of faculty-lounge obtuseness to the feelings of the people among whom they live are to be found. Yet, the editorial has a point.

For, in Webster's, there are several definitions of "prejudice."

The most pejorative one is "an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race." Another definition, however, is simply a "preconceived judgment or opinion."

It is this idea of prejudice that Edmund Burke endorsed:

"Many of our men of speculation, instead of exploding general prejudices, employ their sagacity to discover the latent wisdom which prevails in them. If they find what they seek, and they seldom fail, they think it most wise to continue the prejudice, with the reason involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice, and to leave nothing but the naked reason."

"Naked reason," pure rationalism, permeates the Post editorial, which ignores that vast realm of sentiments, such as patriotism and love, that reside in the terrain between thought and feeling.

"The heart has reasons that the mind knows not," said Pascal.

True conservatives are people of the heart who use the weapons of the mind to defend the things of the heart.

Why would Americans be reflexively skeptical and wary of Islam?

We were born a Christian nation, an extension of Christendom. For most of us, it is part of our DNA. And for a thousand years, our ancestors fought a war of civilizations with Islam.

In the name of Islam, Muslim fanatics massacred 3,000 of us. In our media, the names commonly associated with Islam are al-Qaida, Hamas, Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Ahmadinejad, Ayatollah Khomeini, Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.

What are sins in Christianity -- adultery and homosexuality -- are capital crimes in Islamic countries. From the Copts in Egypt to the Chaldeans of Iraq, Christians are persecuted and purged in the Middle East. Few remain in the old Christian towns of Jerusalem, Nazareth and Bethlehem. Christian missionaries in Islamic countries risk stonings and beheading. Muslims are attacking Christians in Nigeria, Sudan, the Caucasus, Palestine, Iraq, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines.

Are there scores of thousands of patriotic American Muslims, hundreds of millions of decent, peace-loving Muslims around the world?

Undeniably true.


Yet one would have to be obtuse not to understand that a Western nation that opens its doors to mass migration from the Islamic world is taking a grave risk with its unity and identity.

An apprehension about that is what Burke called the "latent wisdom" of a people.

This is not an argument for war with Islam, but for recognition that "East is East and West is West" and America cannot absorb and assimilate all the creeds of mankind without ceasing to be who we are.

Prejudice is prejudgment. And if prejudgment is rooted in the history and traditions of a people, and what life has taught us, it is a shield that protects. Only a fool would reject the inherited wisdom of his kind because it fails to comport with the ideology of the moment.

"Prejudice," wrote Burke, "is of ready application in the emergency; it previously engages the mind in a steady course of wisdom and virtue, and does not leave the man hesitating in the moment of decision, skeptical, puzzled and unresolved."

Without prejudice, we are tabula rasa, blank slates, upon which any ideology may be written, including what James Burnham called the ideology of Western suicide -- liberalism


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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 06:08:11 PM »
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This is not an argument for war with Islam, but for recognition that "East is East and West is West" and America cannot absorb and assimilate all the creeds of mankind without ceasing to be who we are.

Prejudice is prejudgment. And if prejudgment is rooted in the history and traditions of a people, and what life has taught us, it is a shield that protects. Only a fool would reject the inherited wisdom of his kind because it fails to comport with the ideology of the moment.

"Prejudice," wrote Burke, "is of ready application in the emergency; it previously engages the mind in a steady course of wisdom and virtue, and does not leave the man hesitating in the moment of decision, skeptical, puzzled and unresolved."

Without prejudice, we are tabula rasa, blank slates, upon which any ideology may be written, including what James Burnham called the ideology of Western suicide -- liberalism

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Sign at anti-NY Mosque rally today

"EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM I LEARNED ON 9-11"




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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2010, 06:17:28 PM »
"almost EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM I LEARNED ON and after 9-11"

and most of it isn't very positive. wheres the love in that religion? wheres the help people attitude? wheres the sensitivity to NOT build at ground zero coming from that religion? wheres the clerics telling the radicals to stop committing terror acts? Wheres the cleric leader of this 9/11 mosque telling terrorists to stop?

I want to see some love from that religion. Some sensitivity, some caring, compassion, and some respect. Respect is earned.

 

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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2010, 06:45:44 PM »
You know Bt, if "Christian" Zealots, in the "name of God", firebombed an Islamic hospital, killing thousands of men, women, and children, I wouldn't support the idea of a Christian Church being built right across the street, if the people didn't want it.  Especially if the owner of the property demanded such a spot.  And especially if it were perfectly legal.  Me, A Christian, showing such blatant intolerance to my own religion??

Or could it be the location as being the issue.
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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2010, 07:14:00 PM »
Ya know Sirs, if my families business was burned to the ground during a race riot, i wouldn't want a nigger moving in next to me.

I'm sure you would agree.


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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2010, 07:17:54 PM »
nope, I sure wouldn't       ::)
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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2010, 07:28:35 PM »
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nope, I sure wouldn't   

Why not? Group guilt applies to blacks the same as Muslims does it not?

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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2010, 07:32:12 PM »
Since when did radical Blacks begin a blacks only religion, targeting "whities" & family businesses?  You referring to the Black Panthers having taken down your hypothetical Family's business??

Remembers, apples to apples please
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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2010, 09:15:04 PM »
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Since when did radical Blacks begin a blacks only religion, targeting "whities" & family businesses?  You referring to the Black Panthers having taken down your hypothetical Family's business??

Remembers, apples to apples please

Who said anything about radical blacks?

I simply stated that if a member of a group did me harm would i be justified in discriminating against the whole group?

Wasn't that the gist of Buchanan's argument. Isn't that the underlaying foundation for why you support the 911 families efforts to deny a Muslim his rights?

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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2010, 09:40:22 PM »
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Since when did radical Blacks begin a blacks only religion, targeting "whities" & family businesses?  You referring to the Black Panthers having taken down your hypothetical Family's business??

Remembers, apples to apples please

Who said anything about radical blacks?

Since I'm attempting to compare apples to apples, discussing radical X, I was comparing radical Christians to radical Muslims.  Blacks in general need not be brought into the equation, since Muslims in general didn't bring down the WTC

You're ommitting the causitive factor.  A very important one

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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2010, 10:44:35 PM »
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Since when did radical Blacks begin a blacks only religion, targeting "whities" & family businesses?  You referring to the Black Panthers having taken down your hypothetical Family's business??

Remembers, apples to apples please

Who said anything about radical blacks?

Since I'm attempting to compare apples to apples, discussing radical X, I was comparing radical Christians to radical Muslims.  Blacks in general need not be brought into the equation, since Muslims in general didn't bring down the WTC

You're ommitting the causitive factor.  A very important one



Ah . So an apples to apples comparison would be that if Bin Laden wanted to build that mosque 2 blocks from ground zero, you would have a very big problem with it. If it helps further the debate, so would I.
Is it Bin Laden who is trying to build that Mosque?

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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2010, 11:23:32 PM »
Nope, only a symbol of the religion, Bin Ladin and his folks used to carry out 911

Then again we've already gone over that.  You really want to keep repeating this??
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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2010, 11:51:44 PM »
Nope, only a symbol of the religion, Bin Ladin and his folks used to carry out 911

Then again we've already gone over that.  You really want to keep repeating this??

Yeah i do.

How is it that Bin Laden was primarily motivated by his religion, yet the US response wasn't.

do you think Bin Laden had political or economic grievances?

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Re: Only Bigots oppose the Mosque....right?
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2010, 12:05:01 AM »
I want to see some love from that religion. Some sensitivity, some caring, compassion, and some respect. Respect is earned.

 
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