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Re: Bill
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2013, 07:13:03 PM »
Already addressed that.....the issue is with the CDC, which has nothing to do with guns.  All other stats are freely available, from all other agencies, government included, which last I checked both the FBI & Justice Dept were a a part of
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2013, 07:23:00 PM »
Bullshit. As usual, you have no clue about this.
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2013, 07:44:07 PM »
And as ususal, your 99% wrong say so only, with no back up, says otherwise
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2013, 08:36:36 PM »
The effing NRA does not want ANY statistics on guns to be released by the government and has pressured congress people to prevent this from being done.

I thought i saw fbi statistics posted in here the other day.

Maybe it was an article from the onion.

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2013, 08:40:56 PM »
A week after the gun massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, the National Rifle Association is speaking out. As well it should. If only the NRA believed in the right to free speech as fervently as it believes in the right to bear arms.

Faced with government-funded research that contradicts NRA claims on gun safety, the gun lobby moved to defund the research and silence the researchers. When news reporters tried to learn which gun shops repeatedly supply violent criminals with firearms, the NRA lobbied to have gun-trace data exempted from the Freedom of Information Act. When advocates of transparency in campaign finance proposed the Disclose Act in Congress to require disclosure of top donors to political advertising campaigns, the NRA once again marched to the beat of its own 100-round drum: The organization obtained an exemption to keep its information secret.

The list goes on. The NRA-backed Tiahrt Amendment requires the Justice Department to destroy records after gun-purchase background checks, making it harder to identify and catch straw buyers who work for criminals. As part of its war on information, the gun lobby has blocked efforts to put sales records into an integrated database, making the data more difficult for law enforcement officers to retrieve and organize, and complicating efforts to analyze gun trafficking patterns. After visiting the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ National Tracing Center in West Virginia, which is the nation’s sole facility tracing guns used in crimes, Washington Post reporter James Grimaldi described the place as “something like out of the movie ‘Brazil,’ where you could literally see boxes and boxes of documents that pile up.”

You might think, as we do, that the gun lobby’s aversion to information, and its success in securing congressional support for secrecy, poses a threat to public health and law enforcement (not to mention democracy). There is surely a case to be made to that effect. Yet it’s harder to document that argument thanks to the successful suppression of information.

That, of course, is the point. In a study published in 1993 in the New England Journal of Medicine, researchers found that the presence of a gun in a home significantly increased the risks of homicide and suicide. (A finding seemingly borne out in the case of Nancy Lanza, the mother of the Newtown killer, who was murdered with her own gun.) The study was compelling, thought-provoking and attention-grabbing. Was it conclusive? Hardly. But rather than trust in scientific principle and a free marketplace of ideas to sort through the data, the gun lobby mobilized to snuff out such research altogether.

The effort was remarkably successful. In 1996, Republican Representative Jay Dickey of Arkansas pushed an amendment cutting $2.6 million from the budget of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The import of the amendment was lost on no one. The CDC had spent $2.6 million on gun research the year before. Thereafter, the CDC was expressly prohibited from using funds to “advocate or promote gun control.” A subsequent effort, by Republican Representative Denny Rehberg of Montana, applied similar restrictions to the National Institutes of Health.

These are the results of the gun lobby’s storied political muscle. They are not, however, the actions of a political movement confident that history, data or reason itself can support its agenda. Truth doesn’t fear information.

The Newtown massacre may mark a turning point in America’s tragic gun politics. Yet even under the most optimistic scenario, the quest for reasonable gun laws will be a lengthy, difficult battle. It’s best if all sides are well-armed with facts

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-20/why-does-the-nra-fear-the-truth-about-gun-violence-.html&sa=U&ei=vCIgUYyIMOKbyQG72IDYBg&ved=0CDQQFjAH&usg=AFQjCNHDOQT_9vcDmlZM6cNmTNlO5toAqg




With the reopened discussion of gun policy in the aftermath of Sandy Hook an aspect of the NRA's activity I wasn't aware of before came to light.



The NRA, through it's shills in congress, put a rider on the appropriations bill which blocks the BATF from releasing data on gun violence to the press and public.

NRA shills  also put policies in place prohibiting the CDC from researching gun violence, and in fact cut the CDC's budget by the exact amount of their past gun research to rub the point in.

I've written a bit about it at bluestategeorgia.
Gun control advocates should be targeting the antiscience and information suppression aspects of current U.S. gun policy in the wake of the outrage over the slaughter at Sandy Hook.  The gun lobby is going to mount a campaign to block meaningful gun control.  If the past is any indication they have a good chance of winning.  This is an aspect of the fight that we can win, and having good data will give us a better ability to carry on the fight in the future.

Originally posted to http://bluestategeorgia.tumblr.com on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:57 AM PST.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/22/1173117/-The-NRA-s-antiscience-campain&sa=U&ei=QyEgUeiYKuSIygHp-4CwBg&ved=0CBoQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFespbgEMsi_3HTIkLDhcHEFXlASA

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Re: Bill
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2013, 08:50:39 PM »
And yet violent crime data including weapons used is right there in the FBI's Uniform Crime Report.

And why is the Communicable Disease Center tabulating non medical information? Seems a bit out of the area of their expertise.

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2013, 09:01:14 PM »
Well gee, maybe why people die in significant numbers is a public health issue? No different than cancer, the flu, or aids.


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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2013, 09:13:50 PM »
Well gee, maybe why people die in significant numbers is a public health issue? No different than cancer, the flu, or aids.


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I don't see why non medically based deaths are considered a public health issue. Are they working on a vaccine or something?

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2013, 10:34:55 PM »
just a thought
it might be they track all data relating to deaths. it`s possible they collect such data because some cases seem unrelated to disease but eventually does.
ex. chemical contamination would not follow normal pathology,but can cause violent behaviour amoung people

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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2013, 11:30:40 PM »
just a thought
it might be they track all data relating to deaths. it`s possible they collect such data because some cases seem unrelated to disease but eventually does.
ex. chemical contamination would not follow normal pathology,but can cause violent behaviour amoung people

Or Washington being Washington, any time you have a duplication of services, the reason is usually PORK.


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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2013, 05:25:48 AM »
I can't imagine why gun violence wouldn't be considered a public health issue.

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Re: Bill
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2013, 10:20:20 AM »
Is there a medical solution to gun violence?

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Re: Bill
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2013, 12:16:15 PM »
BINGO
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Re: Bill
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2013, 12:28:02 PM »
Not the violence but the cause.

Low lead poisoning can cause anti social behaviour