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sirs

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The Wages of Appeasement
« on: December 16, 2011, 04:38:29 PM »
...and why Obama's Foreign policy is nearly as bad as his Domestic policy

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“Ask Osama bin Laden .?.?. whether I engage in appeasement.”

Fair enough. Barack Obama didn’t appease Osama bin Laden. He killed him. And for ordering the raid and taking the risk, Obama deserves credit. Credit for decisiveness and political courage.

However, the bin Laden case was no test of policy. No serious person of either party ever suggested negotiation or concession. Obama demonstrated decisiveness, but forgoing a non-option says nothing about the soundness of one’s foreign policy. That comes into play when there are choices to be made.

And here the story is different. Take Obama’s two major foreign policy initiatives — toward Russia and Iran.

The administration came into office determined to warm relations with Russia. It was called “reset,” an antidote to the “dangerous drift” (Vice President Biden’s phrase) in relations during the Bush years.

In fact, Bush’s increasing coolness toward Russia was grounded in certain unpleasant realities: growing Kremlin authoritarianism that was systematically dismantling a fledgling democracy; naked aggression against a small, vulnerable, pro-American state (Georgia); the drive to reestablish a Russian sphere of influence in the near-abroad and; support, from Syria to Venezuela, of the world’s more ostentatiously anti-American regimes.

Unmoored from such inconvenient realities, Obama went about his reset. The signature decision was the abrupt cancellation of a Polish- and Czech-based U.S. missile defense system bitterly opposed by Moscow.

The cancellation deeply undercut two very pro-American allies who had aligned themselves with Washington in the face of both Russian threats and popular unease. Obama not only left them twisting in the wind, he showed the world that the Central Europeans’ hard-won independence was only partial and tentative. With American acquiescence, their ostensibly sovereign decisions were subject to a Russian veto.

This major concession, together with a New START treaty far more needed by Russia than America, was supposed to ease U.S.-Russia relations, assuage Russian opposition to missile defense and enlist its assistance in stopping Iran’s nuclear program.

Three years in, how is that reset working out?

The Russians are back on the warpath about missile defense. They’re denouncing the watered-down Obama substitute. They threaten not only to target any Europe-based U.S. missile defenses but also to install offensive missiles in Kaliningrad. They threaten additionally to withdraw from START, which the administration had touted as a great foreign policy achievement.

As for assistance on Iran, Moscow has thwarted us at every turn, weakening or blocking resolution after resolution. And now, when even the International Atomic Energy Agency has testified to Iran’s nuclear ambitions, Russia declares that it will oppose any new sanctions.

Finally, adding contempt to mere injury, Vladimir Putin responded to recent anti-government demonstrations by unleashing a crude Soviet-style attack on America as the secret power behind the protests. Putin personally accused Secretary of State Hillary Clinton of sending “a signal” that activated internal spies and other agents of imperial America.

Such are the wages of appeasement. Makes one pine for mere “drift.”

Even worse has been Obama’s vaunted “engagement” with Iran. He began his presidency apologetically acknowledging U.S. involvement in a coup that happened more than 50 years ago. He then offered bilateral negotiations that, predictably, failed miserably. Most egregiously, he adopted a studied and scandalous neutrality during the popular revolution of 2009, a near-miraculous opportunity — now lost — for regime change.

Obama imagined that his silver tongue and exquisite sensitivity to Islam would persuade the mullahs to give up their weapons program. Amazingly, they resisted his charms, choosing instead to become a nuclear power. The negotiations did nothing but confer legitimacy on the regime at its point of maximum vulnerability (and savagery), as well as give it time for further uranium enrichment and bomb development.

For his exertions, Obama earned
(a) continued lethal Iranian assistance to guerrillas killing Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan,
(b) a plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador by blowing up a Washington restaurant,
(c) the announcement just this week by a member of parliament of Iranian naval exercises to shut down the Strait of Hormuz, and
(d) undoubted Chinese and Russian access to a captured U.S. drone for the copying and countering of its high-tech secrets.

How did Obama answer that one?

On Monday, he politely asked for the drone back.

On Tuesday, with Putin-like contempt, Iran demanded that Obama apologize instead. “Obama begs Iran to give him back his toy plane,” reveled the semiofficial Fars News Agency.

Just a few hours earlier, Secretary Clinton asserted yet again that “we want to see the Iranians engage. .?.?. We are not giving up on it.”

Blessed are the cheek-turners.

But do these people have no limit?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2011, 08:32:01 PM »
Obama has been very successful at foreign policy. It is vastly harder to end wars than to monger them.

Iran is not a major threat to the US.



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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2011, 01:21:20 AM »
They are a MAJOR threat to the stability of the Middle East Region, and specifically to some of our biggest allies.  Not to mention the severe potential disruption to the supply of oil that can and WOULD vastly impact & threaten the U.S.

So yea, if your foreign policy is one of appeasement, it's absolutely been successful
« Last Edit: December 17, 2011, 01:44:40 PM by sirs »
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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 03:19:22 PM »
Krout the Hammer is just trying to get the right out ahead of Obama on foreign policy because they know he's been stronger in that regard than on the economy.

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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 06:27:17 PM »
  I remember whe all the world loved BHO.

   Gave him Nobel prises and adulation everywhere he went.


   He was a blank slate where the hope of anyone could be drawn.


     Is it a foriegn policy success to blow an advantage like that?

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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 06:27:28 PM »
Israel is not a "big ally" is is a puny beggar nation that has cost us far too much already.

Iran is not a threat to the US, period. The US has appeased no one. It has wisely chosen not to waste lives and money on another idiotic invasion.
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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 06:30:43 PM »
Obama did not ask anyone to award him the Nobel Prize. It was more a prize to the majority of the American people who have been cursed with racism for centuries for choosing to ignore it.

Obama NEVER had a moment when everyone adored him. sirs was an Obamahater from the moment he won the election, as were CU4, RR and others on this forum. You all wanted him to fail, just like Rush and McConnell wsanted.
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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2011, 06:43:18 PM »
Obama NEVER had a moment when everyone adored him.


  It would be a pretty good Democrat that ever gained Republican adoration, there isn't a possible canadate that would be that good to all partys.

   If the Nobel Prize is really for the American People , then we should all thank them. That explanation does make more  sense than a peace prize to an individual that had yet to do much to earn it.

     But yu do not recall the adoring masses BHO drew in Europe?

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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2011, 06:50:00 PM »
The Nobel Prize was not my call. I think that Obama is still very popular among the Europeans.

He has done a far better job than Juniorbush: he has ended wars and started none. the have been no major repeats of 9-11, Osama and many others are no longer a threat, and he has kept his cool throughout. And Cheney, who was far worse than Juniorbush, is now gone.
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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2011, 07:06:35 PM »
The Nobel Prize to Obama was based on potential, not for any real achievement.

The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.

For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."

Oslo, October 9, 2009

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html

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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2011, 07:11:16 PM »
  No.


   XO's explanation makes better sense.

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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2011, 07:14:31 PM »
the have been no major repeats of 9-11, Osama and many others are no longer a threat, and he has kept his cool throughout.

As someone else liked to say, "there have been no major vampire attacks, either."
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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2011, 07:44:16 PM »
the have been no major repeats of 9-11, Osama and many others are no longer a threat, and he has kept his cool throughout.

As someone else liked to say, "there have been no major vampire attacks, either."

    The diffrence being that there has been a 9-11, and plenty of the creatures who would repeat if they can.

      But I thought it was the Bush policy that no more 9-11 would be tolerated, no matter that the fight had to be fought all over the world.

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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2011, 07:58:09 PM »
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It was more a prize to the majority of the American people who have been cursed with racism for centuries for choosing to ignore it.

I bet Jesse Jackson is pissed. He has been exploiting white guilt since Obama was in diapers.


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Re: The Wages of Appeasement
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2011, 09:15:17 PM »
So what?
I don't think Jesse Jackson is particularly relevant. He is like Bobdole, his time has passed.
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