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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Xavier_Onassis on June 18, 2015, 02:04:54 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/18/police-respond-to-shooting-at-sc-church/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/18/police-respond-to-shooting-at-sc-church/)
Was he a racist, or did he just have it in for Methodists?
Were the worshipers being uppity? Did they challenge his Second Amendment Rights?
When was the last time this happened in Japan? Australia? Germany? Spain? France?
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Must have been one of those bad gun nuts, you were referring to earlier. Too bad one of the good gun nuts wasn't present, that might have been able to stop the bad gun nut from killing
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Now....let's see how fast Obama & Lynch downshift into full gun control mode. Never let a tragedy go to waste, right?
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You were unfortunately absent, as ever.
You are not a good gun nut, but you are a useless one.
OF COURSE is is Obama's fault!
SHAME on the Obama that dwells between your ears for being against mass murder.
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Why Recognizing The Charleston Church Shooting As An Act Of Racially Motivated Terrorism Is Only The First Step
Posted: 06/18/2015 7:31 am EDT Updated: 1 hour ago
SHOOTING
I took a moment of silence last night.
A long moment... as I struggled to sort through my emotions while I painfully watched breaking news broadcast reports that gunshots seared through Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina around 9 p.m Wednesday. Nine people, who congregated for a prayer meeting, were killed.
The shots were fired by an unidentified white man in his early 20s who entered the church, worshipped with the members and later opened fire. The massacre will be investigated as a hate crime, Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen said. However, by definition, it was a domestic act of terrorism and the gunman, a terrorist.
The shooting, heinous in every regard, immediately prompted panic and pandemonium as police arrived to the scene and attempted to locate and arrest the shooter. Police, so far, have been unsuccessful; the gunman is still at large.
As the victims become publicly identified -- so far only one, state Sen. Clementa Pinckney, has been named as among the nine dead -- we must acknowledge that this atrocious act occurred inside one of the nation's oldest and most prominent black churches, making it hard to argue against the logical assumptions that all of the victims are black. More importantly, despite any confirmation of the gunman's motives, it would be remiss to not consider this wicked act of violence as one of racial hate and terrorism. It appears steeped in the repulsive reality of race in America and the injustice it has forged against black lives everywhere.
“It’s obvious that it’s race,” one local resident told an MSNBC reporter of the murderer’s motives. “You got a white guy coming into an African American church. That’s a choice, he chose to go into that church and harm those people.”
The agony pulsing through Charleston today is the same piercing pain felt each time a black life is lost to the acts of bigots and brutality. It is the familiar pain felt each time a black life is violently dehumanized, devalued and disposed of -- often without repercussion.
It's not breaking news that being black in America can be difficult and frightening, to say the least. Now, more than ever, we cannot ignore or mask the reality that we live in a country where one’s complexion is a direct threat to their safety and livelihood.
Last week, I watched in horror as a white police officer yelled and used excessive force against young, black kids at a pool party in McKinney, Texas. A 15-year-old black girl was pinned to the ground and cried out for her mother as the officer dug his knee into her back. Moments before, he wielded his gun at two young black boys as they tried to come to her aid.
Much less importantly, in the last few days, I have seen former NAACP leader Rachel Dolezal's white face, terribly tanned and masked as “black,” plastered across TV screens, her name dominating my Twitter timeline and her life dissected through discussions I've both overheard and participated in. Today, and every day going forward, I no longer care to see, hear or say her name ever again.
Dolezal is a distraction and her story is far too confusing, contradictory and complicated to be used as a catalyst to reexamine or redefine race and, more specifically, what it means to be black. She doesn’t deserve that privilege -- and we shouldn’t allow it.
Instead, if we are motivated to truthfully examine the role of race and racial violence, let us look to the events in McKinney, which dominated the news cycle just days before and made us witness, yet again, the harsh treatment of white officers against black lives.
Let us look to the Dominican Republic, where hundreds of thousands of Haitians fear being deported in a move rooted in racism.
Let us look to our criminal justice system and the long-term and fatal effects it has had on countless individuals like Kalief Browder.
Let us look to the death of Walter Scott, an unarmed black man who was shot by a white police officer in April, just miles away from Wednesday’s church shooting.
Let us look to the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963 when four young black girls were the victims of another hate crime targeted at another predominantly black church.
Let us look to the purpose and mission of the #BlackLivesMatter movement.
Lastly, let us look to all the other black men and women who have been brutalized and killed under similar, distressing circumstances as acts of racial violence.
To understand race, author Ta-Nehisi Coates steers us in the right direction. In his latest piece in The Atlantic, Coates urges us to reexamine “America’s greatest and most essential crimes -- the centuries of plunder which birthed the hierarchy which we now euphemistically call ‘race.’”
He wrote:
Kalief Browder died, like Renisha McBride died, like Tamir Rice died, because they were born and boxed into the lowest cavity of that hierarchy. If not for those deaths, if not for the taking of young boys off the streets of New York, and the pinning of young girls on the lawns of McKinney, Texas, the debate over Rachel Dolezal’s masquerade would wither and blow away, because it would have no real import nor meaning.
The time is now. Let us all take a moment to reflect on the horrific violence that occurred at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.
What's more, I challenge you to extend that moment to examine the role of race as it relates to this tragedy -- and take worry in knowing the shooter still roams free and is still capable of acting out on his hatred and committing more crimes. If black people are not safe in places of sanctuary, then we are not safe anywhere.
“This is as bad as it can get,” one black Charleston resident told a reporter Wednesday night. “If we can’t find refuge in church, where can we go? Where can we be safe?”
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You were unfortunately absent, as ever.
You are not a good gun nut, but you are a useless one.
Now we have a 3rd category?? Boy, do these leftist definitions never cease??
ok,
we have bad gun nut, who shoots people in the back or in a church
we have good gun nuts who apparently just moan, but perfectly responsible and legal
now we have useless gun nuts......which are......what exactly?
SHAME on the Obama that dwells between your ears for being against mass murder.
Dr Deflection, strikes again ::)
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The USELESS gun nut is the most common of all: he is the fool who preaches that good people with guns are a blessing, because he shoots the BAD gun nuts, protecting everyone from said Bad Gun Nuts. He is useless because he is almost never there to do it.
And you fit that category perfectly.
In the words of the Founding Fathers, "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility".
Or was that from the Amazing Spider-Man?
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Did they challenge his Second Amendment Rights?
Too bad only the bad guy had a gun.
When was the last time this happened in Japan? Australia? Germany? Spain? France?
The 2011 Norway attack: The Utoya Massacre
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When was the last time this happened in Japan? Australia? Germany? Spain? France?
When was the last time this happened in Switzerland where everybody has a gun?
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2011.
Ten times as many Americans have been killed with guns since then.
And on Norwegians.
And by the way, one Norwegian Gun Nut does not prove that American Gun Nuts do not exist.
Nearly all of the Norwegians that might become Gun Nuts do not do so because they are prevented from owning a gun.
Everybody does not have a gun in Switzerland. That is a bloody lie. If we had the gun laws they have in Switzerland in this country, hundreds of American would be alive today.
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Everybody does not have a gun in Switzerland. That is a bloody lie.
Mr. Literal strikes again!...lol
Ok so not 100% of Switzerland carries a gun....toddlers aren't carrying 38's ::)
Thanks for the clarification Einstein.
Fact: Switzerland trails behind only the U.S, Yemen and Serbia in the number of guns per capita.
In Switzerland nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, .
bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
Guns don't kill people as Switzerland proves!
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The USELESS gun nut is the most common of all: he is the fool who preaches that good people with guns are a blessing, because he shoots the BAD gun nuts, protecting everyone from said Bad Gun Nuts. He is useless because he is almost never there to do it.
Better than being there and not being able to do anything to defend anyone. Looks like useless is actually a good thing as well
And you fit that category perfectly.
Good, glad we got that useless bit of loony leftist definitions, out of the way. You really think us good gun nuts are hoping to be in such a situation?? Seriously?? NO ONE EVER CLAIMED THAT GOOD GUN NUTS CAN PROTECT EVERYONE. NOT EVEN MOST. NOT EVEN MANY. THAT WOULD BE YET ANOTHER DEFLECTION EFFORT. The presence of "good gun nuts" is to have the potential of if being in such a situation, the presence, may, JUST MAY, prevent innocent loss of life....at least until those racist cops show up and start killing black people
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The Swiss do not, as Americans do, assume that everyone has the right to run around armed. . One must prove they are trained in the use of guns and responsible before that are allowed to own a gun. And the Swiss do not normally ride the bus with rifles slung over their shoulder, either, except in the imagination of American Gun Nuts, who are most if the Useless Gun Nut variety, that never stop a crime, or the Less than Useless faction, that advocates for open carry and the right to strut about armed in church, at the university, in bars and at public events.
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The level of ignorance as it relates to defensive use of firearms in the U.S. is indeed staggering. But its worse than that. It's willful ignorance. The ideology is so ingrained, that all manner of facts, as it relates to the exponentially more lives saved in this country with the use of a firearm, than those taken is summarily discarded. The hatred of guns and in particular, those who are responsible in their use, literally is willing to sacrifice 10x more lives, so long as 1 life might be saved, if guns were banned. That's how completely upside down the left gets, when the topic of guns comes up
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This is a very sad and upsetting incident.
I think it does prove something about gun free situations.
But I don't feel like parsing it very fine right now.
This guy was interested in causing great harm, his desires make him more rare than one in a million, but the repercussions will be felt widely.
It will take a long time to know just how widely and harshly this will cause harm.
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Guns make killing people more efficient. It would have been very difficult for this maniac to kill nine people with a knife, a bow and arrow, a crossbow, a laser sword or even a Klingon Bat'leth. Up until ten minutes before the killing spree began, dolts like we-know-who would have been defending his right to own a gun. There were no Good Gun Nuts around, There rarely are any. There are only bad ones waiting to strike and useless ones feeling sanctimonious about how they are defending the Public Good with their private arsenals and outrage at anyone who might restrict them as the Swiss have restricted their gun ownership to sane people who have been trained. If you ask a Swiss person if he is safe from mass murder, he will tell you "of course". If you ask him why, he will say niente, rien, nichts, nagut about people bearing rifles on the city bus: he will mention the police.
OF COURSE those of us who want these massacres to stop will want to restrict the access of guns to potential mass murderers in some meaningful way, just like an outbreak of smallpox would have people clamoring in favor of vaccines and vaccinations. We have at least FIVE TIMES as much of this crap as any first world nation.
Nearly all the Gun Nuts are of the Useless sort: they are not present when they are needed and there is no reason to expect them to be, any more than a tire shop can be expected to be near wherever your tire goes flat.
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Guns ALSO make defending oneself more efficient. Exponentially MORE lives are saved with a gun than taken by one in this country. But you don't seem to get that. The only people I'd be defending their right to a firearm are those WHO HAVE NO INTENTION OF MURDERING ANYONE WITH IT. Yea, it's a shame that there were no good or even useless gun nuts around, or the loss of life may have been negligible, if not prevented. One wonders if this church was a designated "gun free zone"
News Flash....both the good gun nuts and useless gun nuts ALSO want any such massacres to to stop. The WORST way to do that though, is to disarm the law abiding. We have vaccines to prevent small pox. There is no vaccines to prevent bad gun nuts from doing what they intend to do. THEY are the sickness, and instead of focusing on that, you'd rather take away the vaccine. See how upside down that thought process is??
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I see that no other developed country has more than a fifth of this sort of thing. I see that mass mayhem does not seem to occur in the only state where the entry of guns can be restricted (Hawaii).
But there are just too many goddamned guns in circulation. When the gun nuts die, their guns will not. They will still be in circulation and a threat to the population. This insanity will continue, and I know who is to blame.
And you do not.
You are part of the problem. You want there to be more and more guns in circulation.
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the Swiss have restricted their gun ownership to sane people
Fact: Switzerland trails behind only the U.S, Yemen and Serbia in the number of guns per capita.
Not a whole lot restriction going on when the Swiss have one of the highest guns per ca pita in the world!
Clearly proving that it is not guns that kill people.
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Please stop being an idiot. Your knuckles will thank you for practicing bipedal locomotion.
Guns are used by people to increase their efficiency in killing people. Killing nine people with a knife, garrote or bludgeon would probably be impossible. A gun made this massacre possible, just as a toothbrush facilitates your gleaming white smile.
Switzerland does not allow people to obtain guns as easily as people in the US. It requires people to take classes in how to use guns safely, and restricts who can own a gun.
If the US decided to enact Switzerland's rather strict gun regulations, I imagine that far fewer people would get killed with guns.
The NRA and Useless Gun Nuts would probably go ballistic as well. The Supreme Court would have to rule on whether imposing Swiss gun regulations was Constitutional, and during the long process of the appeal, even more Useless Gun Nuts would stockpile their arsenals.
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I see that no other developed country has more than a fifth of this sort of thing.
We are not any other country. We are the United States, with the RULE OF LAW, a CONSTITUTION, and a BILL OF RIGHTS. You're NOT going to ban a fundamental right, that we as Americans have. So, you BMW all you want, but you can also remove that idea off the table, as its a moot arguement, until you want to have a debate on a Constitutional Convention, where you can then thereby amend it
So, what we HAVE on the table, is that in this country MORE LIVES ARE SAVED WITH THE USE OF A GUN THAN THOSE TAKEN. FURTHER RESTRICTIONS OF LEGAL GUN OWNERSHIP WILL ONLY PUT AT RISK MORE INNOCENT LIVES.
By all means, we should make it harder for criminals, mentally impaired, and possibly even medically diagnosed addicts, to be able to obtain a firearm. But, since MORE LIVES ARE SAVED WITH A GUN, THAN THOSE TAKEN, the WORST THING WE COULD DO, IT MAKE IT THAT MUCH HARDER FOR PERFECTLY RESPONSBILE GOOD & USELESS GUN NUTS TO OBTAIN THEM
The blame, if any, is on a culture that embraces disrespect of anyone you disagree with. Especially authority figures. To the point of facilitating hatred, and believing that they're not just wrong, but evil
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No, more lives are NOT saved by Guns. That is just ratbag rightwing bullshit.
It is not true.
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See?...that's the willful ignorance demonstrating itself, in its full glory. It just can't be true, because if it were, it destroys the entire garabage about how horrible guns are at killing. So, such facts must be dismissed & ignored. It's like trying to deny the sun rises in the east, because you're purposely looking in a different direction
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It is not true because it simply is not true.
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And you just keep telling yourself that. It's not true because....it just can't be true. Here back in the world of reality, we'll deal with the FACT that it is
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More damn facts to ignore....thanks to South Carolina’s gun laws which heavily restrict concealed carry at churches, Emanuel AME Zion Church was effectively a “gun free zone” at the time of the attack.
92% of all mass killings in the United States occur in such locations.
That, of course, is a fact that President Obama & his cool-aide colored sychophants will never admit
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Why are you blaming President Obama for South Carolina's gun laws?
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So of course, you'll be able to point out, where I specifically blamed Obama for SC's Gun laws. Good luck with that, Dr Deflection
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You fail to read what you write, don't you?
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And you apparently have failed to demonstrate anywhere where I claimed Obama was responsible for SC's gun laws.......thank you very much
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Why, you are welcome!
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....and for those who are also equally contextually challenged, the fact that Obama was used in a sentence that referenced SC gun laws, doesn't equate to the notion that he was behind or to blame for SC gun laws. Isn't it ironic that a language professor is unable to read for context
Then again.....
He does. The professor is a deflection master. Anything and everything to divert from the point being made. Whether its arguing a point no one is making, using overt hyperbole, trying to apply a literal application of a point (which can be similar to hyperbole), and/or just out and out personal insulting, its whatever's the easiest mentally to pull out, to avoid, at all cost, the point actually being made. I mean, it must be hard trying to defend the indefensible
But as Plane frequently references, its a good thing to have such a differing perspective. Its unfortunate that xo doesn't have too much in the way of rhetorical back-up. Others apparently just couldn't hold up to the scrutiny and mountains of logic & reason. But he more than makes up for it, with passion, perseverence, and feeling. Our compliments to his contribution to the saloon
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No, more lives are NOT saved by Guns. That is just ratbag rightwing bullshit. It is not true.
XO you do not know what you are talking about.
Tons of crimes are prevented because the bad guy is worried about being shot.
I was a bad guy...well not really...but a punk...and I can promise you
there were many times I didn't cross the next step because I thought
"hell I don't wanna get shot"!
This isn't an opinion, it is undeniable fact that bad guys don't
like law abiding citizens being armed in their homes!
I mean come on...it is common sense...if you were
a burglar would you rather rob a house where the owners were armed or a house where owners were not armed?
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A burgler may even inadvertantly enter one those useless gun nut home homes
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Most burglars vastly prefer robbing houses in which no one is home.
The fact that occasionally someone with a gun prevents a crime is simply overwhelmed by the occasions in which a gun is used to commit a crime.
The US has many more gun deaths than any other industrialized nation. Our lives are not improved because so many people are armed to the teeth, just the opposite.
The more guns there are in this country, the more people will get shot or will shoot themselves.
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Most burglars vastly prefer robbing houses in which no one is home.
And why is that???.................*drum roll*................they don't want to get shot incase the home-owners are armed
The fact that occasionally someone with a gun prevents a crime is simply overwhelmed by the occasions in which a gun is used to commit a crime.
I see we're changing the parameters now. Instead of lives saved, and lives taken, now its about lives saved and guns used to commit a crime. That's an altogether different stat. Care to produce the numer of crimes a gun is used, on an average annual basis, here in the U.S., to support your opinion??
The US has many more gun deaths than any other industrialized nation.
A) We're one of the largest populated countries on the globe
B) The US has exponentially more lives saved with a gun in this country, than those taken
Our lives are not improved because so many people are armed to the teeth, just the opposite.
Actually, that's just the opposite. Especially when its noted that violent crime has been declining while we are apparently "arming ourselves to the teech". And while accidents can and do happen, the lives saved far outweigh the risk of that occuring
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.....There were no Good Gun Nuts around, There rarely are any.
and whose fault is this?
Switzerland does not allow people to obtain guns as easily as people in the US. It requires people to take classes in how to use guns safely, and restricts who can own a gun.
If the US decided to enact Switzerland's rather strict gun regulations, I imagine that far fewer people would get killed with guns.
I think I could get along very well with a close copy of the Swiss law set, but I doubt this means what you think it does.
There was only one gun in that building , I imagine this had a lot to do with how the scene of the crime was chosen. What draconian set of laws would reduce the availability of guns so far that there would not be even one left for an evil doer to find?
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If the gun Nut that did all the shooting had no gun, then there would have been zero guns.
The shooter was arrested for actions at a local mall.
I would say that iN Switzerland, he probably would not have been allowed to have a gun.
Had he Shown up with apartheid flags on your jacket and they would likely turn him down.
He seems to have expected to be caught.
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on a side note....
many of these whack-jobs crave fame and just sheer attention even if it's from doctors, lawyers, etc..
they think they will achieve rock star status with hearings, trials, interviews, mental evaluations, etc..
we need to change the system where people like this should be executed within 48 hours
he did it...he admits doing it...what's left except hype?
lets have a half day trial....and be done with...lawyers wouldn't make millions on these tragedies
people should know if you do something like this you will be executed within 48 hours
no it would not detour 100%, but it would detour some and save millions of soccer mom taxpayer money
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If the gun Nut that did all the shooting had no gun, then there would have been zero guns.
The shooter was arrested for actions at a local mall.
I would say that iN Switzerland, he probably would not have been allowed to have a gun.
Had he Shown up with apartheid flags on your jacket and they would likely turn him down.
He seems to have expected to be caught.
Take note that your solution would not start to be effective until there was zero guns , until it is impossible for the evil to have guns the confiscation of guns would just disarm the co-operative.
This means decades of increased bloodletting while the process moves slowly twards the zero that it will never reach,
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If the gun Nut that did all the shooting had no gun, then there would have been zero guns.
And in what world or reality would no gun have existed? Here's a better one....what law, existing or being proposed, would have prevented this killing??
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There is another important aspect to this .
This guy is only Twenty One, he can't have a clear memory of the Apartheid whose emblems he wore , he can't have first hand knowledge of the hot period of the civil rights struggle.
He attended integrated schools more likely than not.
If he has had the usual modern American childhood , more than half of his education has been delivered to him on screens.
What explains such a severe bad attitude?
I meet very prejudiced people now and then, but I haven't ever met one that would like the prospect of a race war.
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we need to change the system where people like this should be executed within 48 hours
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Then you would love Saudi Arabian justice.
They even punish their witches and sorcerers rapidly.
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It is entirely possible that there could be hundreds of people in a church and not a soul with a gun or any other weapon.
This is the usual situation, actually, and it is not at all impossible.
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So....once again.....what law on the books or being proposed by the left, would have prevented these murders?
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It is entirely possible that there could be hundreds of people in a church and not a soul with a gun or any other weapon.
This is the usual situation, actually, and it is not at all impossible.
Isn't this the original problem?
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That would be a "yes"
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http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2012/november/church-shootings-prompt-pastors-to-reevaluate-security.html
From 2012
http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2015/june/lament-for-charleston-what-makes-this-shooting-different.html
From today.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/22/us-france-attack-idUSKBN0ND0MD20150422
From France.
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The actual problem is when ANYONE brings a gun to a church or other civilized gathering.
If armed guards are needed to defend such groups from Bad Gun Nuts, there is a problem in that society.
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And why would the presence of a good gun nut, or even a useless gun nut "be a problem"?
In fact, that's what makes your so-called useless gun nut, all the more useful....to have been in such a church, where they may have been able to prevent any death
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The actual problem is when ANYONE brings a gun to a church or other civilized gathering.
If armed guards are needed to defend such groups from Bad Gun Nuts, there is a problem in that society.
Not a big problem.
What you are defining as a bad gun nut is present among us at much less than one in a million right now.
Do you think that the society can become so good that the person that will do this sort of thing might be less than one in an hundred million?
Then of course when practically no one is murderous, the presence of guns and the absence of guns equally will not matter.
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We have this sort of mass murder on a regular basis in this country. It does not happen in Western Europe, Australia, Japan and many other places.
It is therefore a comparatively large problem, and more attention should be paid to how other countries manage to diminish it and less the right of every loon in the country that wants to strut about with his goddamned firearm.
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And as Plane and the facts keep demonstrating, that no, this is not a growing problem....that despite more people owning firearms, violent crime is declining. The regions where you see this kind of stuff "on a regular basis" are .....drum roll.....those areas that have already enacted massive gun control legislation, analogous to places in other countries.
And btw, no responsible and legal CCW holder is "strutting around". Quite the polar opposite in fact.
Ever wonder why an NRA meeting is never targeted?
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The USA is a pretty big country. Not fair to compare one for one with small ones.
Better to compare per capata.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/oct/10/world-murder-rate-unodc
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRalpha
USA 2009 5 per 100,000
France 2008 1.4
China 2008 1.1
Brazil 2009 22.7
Mexico 2010 18.1
Texas 2008 5.6 2009 5.4
Illinois 2008 6.1 2009 6.0
Peru 2009 5.2
Russian Federation 2009 11.2
Louisiana 2008 11.9 2009 11.8
Switzerland 2008 0.7
Idaho 2008 1.5 2009 1.6
Hawaii 2008 1.9 2009 1.8
Bahamas 2010 28
Hey , I got a lot of surprises in these charts.
The USA murder rate falls as one of the better in the new world , pretty bad compared to Western Europe , fits well with Eastern Europe , Better than most of Africa. Over all we are middle of the series.
I didn't expect China to be so much better than us.
I didn't expect Idaho to be equal to Hawaii , or the Bahamas to be so bad, I have been to the Bahamas the gun control there is very strict.
Georgia and Florida vary a lot but are usually near the national average which I didn't expect.
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http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/France/United-States/Crime
The United States has 88 guns for every 100 people!
This has to be a rough estimate.
Fear of crime > Worries about being attacked 48.14
Ranked 30th. 14% more than United States
42.08 Ranked 43th.
Fear of crime > Worries about being mugged or robbed
49.46 Ranked 36th. 10% more than United States
45.01 Ranked 47th.
This one is the surprising one. With generally lower crime stats, the French worry more about it.
Murders > Per 100,000 people 1.6
Ranked 105th.
5.9 Ranked 63th. 4 times more than France
Crime levels France 49.47
Ranked 38th. U.S.55.84
Ranked 30th. 13% more than France
Justice system > Punishment > Capital punishment (last execution year) 1,977
Ranked 15th. 2,014
Ranked 1st. 2% more than France
Police officers 210.2 Ranked 8th.
243.6 Ranked 27th. 16% more than France
Rape rate 16.2 Ranked 21st.
27.3
Ranked 9th. 69% more than France
Total crimes 3.77 million
Ranked 4th. 11.88 million
Ranked 1st. 3 times more than France
Violent crime > Gun crime > Guns per 100 residents 31.2
Ranked 12th.
88.8 Ranked 1st. 3 times more than France
Violent crime > Intentional homicide rate 1.63
Ranked 34th. 4.7
Ranked 7th. 3 times more than France
Violent crime > Murder rate 682
Ranked 37th. 12,996
Ranked 9th. 19 times more than France
Violent crime > Murder rate per million people
10.54 Ranked 98th.
42.01 Ranked 43th. 4 times more than France
Perceived problems > Property crimes including vandalism and theft 54.52
Ranked 35th. 57.93
Ranked 28th. 6% more than France
Prisoners 56,957 prisoners Ranked 25th.
2.02 million prisoners Ranked 1st. 35 times more than France
Violent crime > Murders per million people 10.54 Ranked 98th.
42.01 Ranked 43th. 4 times more than France
Fear of crime > Feels safe walking alone > During the day 75.79
Ranked 56th. 1% more than United States 75.24
Ranked 57th.
I wonder how this works , with fewer crimes overall there are more French Victims?
Rape victims 0.7% Ranked 10th. 75% more than United States
0.4% Ranked 13th.
Total crime victims 21.4%
Ranked 13th. 1% more than United States 21.1%
Ranked 15th.
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France deals with statistics like this on a national basis. The US lets the states handle most of it, and I think that therefore reported statistics are closer to reality in France than in the US.
China is not a society of individualists. When not at war,, China is a fairly orderly place.
In Japan, the police actually try rather hard to find stolen goods and return them to their owners. No one even tries in the US, so far as I know. Your only report thefts so you can collect insurance, unless it is a vast fortune or a collection or something like that.
The Bahamas have very strict laws, which they are quite poor at enforcing, from what I hear. They will respond much better to a theft from a tourist than from a fellow Bahamian.
People worry about crime more as a result of what they see on TV than reality. In recent years, the crime rate has gone down for most crimes, but on TV shows, it has gone up. Crime shows are essentially conservative: the plot nearly always follows the pattern in which the status quo is interrupted by crime, and the police catch the bad guy and lock him up, and the status quo is restored. They rarely deal with polluters and other corporate crimes. I have never seen a TV show in which anyone organizes a union and anything good happens, like job safety being improved, overtime being paid, or people getting a raise. Unions rarely appear on TV and when they do, they are controlled by Mafiosos and gangsters, which is contrary to reality.