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New tape suggests inside job in JFK assassination
« on: May 08, 2007, 03:32:52 AM »
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New Tape Suggests Kennedy Assassination Inside Job

AUDIO: Tape suggests JFK assassination was inside job

An audio file serving as the final testimony of CIA veteran and convicted Watergate conspirator, E. Howard Hunt on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy has surfaced.

It has been distilled down from a 20-minute tape made by Hunt at his home in Miami, according to his oldest son with whom E. Howard Hunt had enjoyed a good relationship in later life.

The unmarked cassette was received in the mail by his oldest son, Saint John Hunt, in Janurary 2004. At the time, the 86-year-old E. Howard Hunt was not well. According to Saint John Hunt, his father's only request was that the information not be released until his death. Shortly thereafter, he recovered from his illness and he would not die until January of 2007. The tape remained in Saint John Hunt's hands the entire time.

According to Saint John Hunt, the existence of the tape was unknown by his extended family until its broadcast on "Coast to Coast Live with Ian Punnett" on April 27, 2007. Many of the details of the tape were included in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine published earlier in the month.

The contents of the tape are consistent with E. Howard Hunt's CIA career. He was a significant team member of many CIA "wet ops," that is, bloody operations such as the violent overthrow of the democratically-elected Guatetamalan government of Jacobo Arbenz in 1954 and the assassination of Che Guevara. The Guatemalan civil war that resulted from the CIA-backed coup would eventually lead to the deaths of 200,000 people.

In his lifetime, E. Howard Hunt often would be glib about his roles in these "wet ops" and saw them as a kind of patriotic duty for which he was uniquely suited. He was urbane, well-connected and well-educated. He published over 85 spy novels and enjoyed the respect and companionship of many of Washington's conservative elite such as William F. Buckley who wrote the forward to Hunt's most recent memoirs.

But despite many allegations over the years, E. Howard Hunt had always denied until any involvement in the assassination of JFK. In 1978, Hunt testified under oath to Congress that neither he nor the CIA had had anything to do with the murder of the president.

According to this tape, he was only half-lying.

The "wet op" that was pulled off in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963 may not have been orchestrated by the CIA proper but rather was put together by several CIA veterans and contract players-for-fire in a "non-sanctioned" hit originally "suggested" by then Vice-President Lyndon B. Johnson. One of the many purposes of this tape, according to E. Howard Hunt, was to make clear of LBJ's involvement in the assassination.

Perhaps as a way of justifying the assassination, Hunt seems focused on establishing the "chain of command" to this action that allows him to see himself as following orders toward a greater patriotic goal.

On the tape, the man Hunt refers to as "Frank" is, according to written notes taken by Saint John Hunt, CIA Operative and later Watergate co-conspirator Frank Sturgis sometimes spelled "Sturgess." The mastermind appears to be Cord Meyer.

Dave Phillips was also a CIA Operative in Central and South America.

This tape also confirms the long-held suspicion that David Morales was a key member of the assassination team.

What is not on the tape is "Lucien Sartie," the man that Hunt, according to his son, confirmed earlier as the Corsican-born French contract hitman who was flown in to take the "head shot" at JFK from behind the Grassy Knoll.

What is not on this tape is motive but that is attested in other testimony.

These men allegedly hated Kennedy.

They saw him as soft on Communism, soft on Castro, guilty of sending their friends to their torture and deaths during the Bay of Pigs fisasco and a bad risk for the future of the country. They also did not respect him as a person for his philandering and other behaviors which had yet to become public knowledge but would have been known to them.

They were also resentful of the way that the White House had been treating the CIA through Kennedy's disdainful public posture on intelligence and the firings of many of their former associates.

In sum, with the permission of LBJ, Cord Meyer, David Phillips, David Morales, E. Howard Hunt conspired to create a "non-official" hit "for the good of the country."

And here, finally, is the taped testimony that proves that once and for all.

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Re: New tape suggests inside job in JFK assassination
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2007, 11:51:52 AM »
<<They were also resentful of the way that the White House had been treating the CIA through Kennedy's disdainful public posture on intelligence and the firings of many of their former associates.>>

This was what I always suspected.  Kennedy was widely hated in right-wing circles but what turned that hatred into violence was his refusal to provide American air support to the Bay of Pigs mercenaries.  This was seen as a betrayal because the mercs believed air support had been promised by the Eisenhower administration.  And of all the people who were offended by JFK, these guys had a unique ability to inflict violent retaliation without leaving a trace.  JFK basically signed his own death warrant when he fired Allen Dulles and the next two top CIA guys under him in the wake of the Bay of Pigs.  None of them would have had to lift a finger, either.  There were plenty of willing hands who knew exactly what their old bosses would have liked to see happen.

I think, however, it would be a real stretch to bring LBJ into the loop.  He had no CIA connections, didn't give a shit about Cuba and he wouldn't have dared, anyway.  He had too much to lose.

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2007, 04:41:45 PM »
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He had too much to lose.

Then again he had much to gain, as did his sponsors since his congressional days. Brown Brothers. The same Brown Brothers of Kellogg, Brown Brothers, Root of now Halliburton fame. They had all the construction contracts in Vet Nam.


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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2007, 10:14:25 PM »
<<Then again he had much to gain, as did his sponsors since his congressional days. Brown Brothers. The same Brown Brothers of Kellogg, Brown Brothers, Root of now Halliburton fame. They had all the construction contracts in Vet Nam. >>

The Viet Nam War as a make-work project for KBR?  I can't see it.  Lyndon had a lot of contacts in the oil biz and at that time the oil depletion allowance was a hot issue.  That was only one of plenty of opportunities for a guy like Lyndon to get rich, that did not involve starting a war.  Besides, I'm not all that sure that Lyndon died rich. 

When David Halberstam died, I decided to re-read "The Best and the Brightest," one of the best books on the Viet Nam War that I've ever read.  (The other was "Anatomy of a War" by Prof. Gabriel Kolko, of the history department of Toronto's York University.)  Halberstam's was particularly strong on how the U.S. got into it, whereas Kolko had an exhaustive analysis of the conflict from the Vietnamese POV.  I don't recall Halberstam giving Lyndon any credit for getting mired in Viet Nam other than reactively, and although KBR featured in the book, I think it was more along the lines of them feeding at the trough once the U.S. invaded, rather than their being the raison d'etre for the war itself.

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2007, 10:26:00 PM »
You forget that Kennedy wanted to wind down US involvement in VN. I believe he gave that speech a month before he was killed.

Lyndon was an old hand at DC politics, he had his folks at the CIA, he knew how to play hard ball and he wasn't above stealing an election. He certainly wasn't dovish on the war.

We know Hunt was involved in Watergate, now according to his deathbed confession he was involved in Dallas.

The next question is were they bookend coup d'etats?



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Re: New tape suggests inside job in JFK assassination
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2007, 10:39:16 PM »
Howard Hunt was not only once a spook but was more consistently a writer of fictional works. Beyond that, given his apparent obsession with matters cloak and dagger, he may as well have been a nutjob, certifiable or otherwise. It wouldn't be the first time an ego deprived in real life of the satisfactions to which he aspired (power and its free exercise) schemed mischievously (or demonically, as your taste dictates) to set the world on its head once and for all in the realm where he trod as a bit player on a stage where, at most, he was in the clean-up crew.

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Re: New tape suggests inside job in JFK assassination
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2007, 10:50:23 PM »
Guess we better call the meat wagon, the messenger has been killed.

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Re: New tape suggests inside job in JFK assassination
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2007, 11:28:31 PM »
Perhaps the son is peddling goods.

He doesn't come across well in this Rolling Stones interview.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt

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Re: New tape suggests inside job in JFK assassination
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2007, 01:09:26 AM »
As far as I'm concerned having only now read this in this post, case closed.  After the reading I've done and so forth, it has been my conclusion that there was never an issued order by the CIA to kill Kennedy but it was a matter of operatives stealing supplies from the office, if you will, to do the jobs they'd normally do outside the country.  That Johnson suggested is, by no means whatsoever, a "stretch".  The facts are the Johnson had more than one person killed in Texas to further his career and protect his money-making schemes.

Hunt has no reason to lie after he's dead, domer.  He's dead.  I'm sure it soothes you to think that this is one more in the line of "lone nuts" connected to the assassination.  Crazed ego-maniacs out to make a name for themselves.  Hunt had power in his life.  Hunt had a type of fame whilst in his prime.  To set in motion more infamy following his death would serve him no purpose, in my opinion.

Kennedy ran his fishing boat into the perfect storm and paid the price.  If Hunt is proven to be on that tape and his statements can be independently verified then I'd have to say, the end.

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2007, 02:03:25 AM »
Brass,
Unless by making a deathbed confession he is in reality giving ultimate cover to the real assassin.  That has occurred to me.  What do you think? 

Anyway, after seeing that footage of the Secret Service guys being waved away from JFK's limo there in Dallas, I no longer think it was a lone gunman.  I do think someone else was in on it, at any rate. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2007, 07:27:53 AM »
<<You forget that Kennedy wanted to wind down US involvement in VN. I believe he gave that speech a month before he was killed. >>

I certainly didn't forget that speech.  It was the final nail in his coffin.  But there were other interests besides the Brown Brothers and much bigger than they who did not want the U.S. to leave Viet Nam

<<Lyndon was an old hand at DC politics, he had his folks at the CIA, he knew how to play hard ball and he wasn't above stealing an election. >>

True, true, true and true.

<<He certainly wasn't dovish on the war.>>

He was't hawkish either.  Apart from the potential benefits in store for the Brown brothers, I can't see any overriding concerns for him in Viet Nam.  And he certainly could have found lots of ways to benefit the Browns with or without Nam.

<<We know Hunt was involved in Watergate, now according to his deathbed confession he was involved in Dallas.

<<The next question is were they bookend coup d'etats?>>

I would say not a chance.  Nixon served the interests that had wanted Kennedy dead.  Those interests need to preserve the facade of a "democracy" and "free elections" and therefore only took drastic action when it was truly their last resort - - when faced with popular, charismatic politicians determined to serve the American public, virtually incorruptible (by them) and indestructible politicallly.  Nixon did not fit the profile for a coup d'etat.  He was a snake and the coup plotters are master snake-handlers.

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Re: New tape suggests inside job in JFK assassination
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2007, 09:52:40 AM »
Lanya,

There are SO many things that make me KNOW that there were more shooters and that Oswald didn't even pull a trigger that day.

LBJ insistence that Connelly ride in LBJ's limo is indicative of LBJ's involvement.

All of the people allegedly named in Hunt's tape, Morales and all them, are names that have swirled around this thing.

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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2007, 10:02:26 AM »
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I would say not a chance.  Nixon served the interests that had wanted Kennedy dead.  Those interests need to preserve the facade of a "democracy" and "free elections" and therefore only took drastic action when it was truly their last resort - - when faced with popular, charismatic politicians determined to serve the American public, virtually incorruptible (by them) and indestructible politicallly.  Nixon did not fit the profile for a coup d'etat.  He was a snake and the coup plotters are master snake-handlers.

Let's say that there are two competing groups of oligarchs. One group is Atlantic oriented and focused on Europe. Let's say the other group is new money and is focused on the pacific. Call then Yankees and Cowboys, if you like, others have.

Kennedy was a Yankee. Johnson was a Cowboy. Nixon was a Cowboy. Carter was a Yankee.