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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on December 22, 2012, 12:17:01 AM
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http://extras.denverpost.com/news/col1123b.htm (http://extras.denverpost.com/news/col1123b.htm)
The Jefferson County sheriff's deputy who traded gunshots with Eric Harris in the opening moments of the Columbine massacre was not wearing his prescription eyeglasses, according to records unsealed this week.
That Neil Gardner was instead wearing non-prescription sunglasses while firing at a target 60 or 70 yards away could become an issue in negligence lawsuits filed by victims' families against the sheriff's department.
Might Gardner have had a better chance of hitting Harris if he'd been wearing his glasses? When the two traded shots, 11 of the 13 people killed by Harris and Dylan Klebold were still alive.
"If his vision is 20/30, no big deal," said James Rouse, an attorney who represents six families. "If it's 20/300, what's he doing shooting a gun?"
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Hmm
60 yards?
I can't see beyond two yards and I'm a better shot without my glasses. I concentrate more when it blurry.
This might not seem straight forward
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I definately shoot better with glasses.
I have never had occasion to shoot without prior planning , so my personal experience doesn't apply.
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It is ridiculous to sue the police for not wearing glasses. It was an emergency.
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It is ridiculous to sue the police for not wearing glasses. It was an emergency.
bingo
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I just reread the article
He doesn't need glasses to drive and he can see 60 yards to give a description of the shooter.
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It is ridiculous to sue the police for not wearing glasses. It was an emergency.
bingo
I agree too.
The wartime experience is that many rounds are fired for each wound.
Aiming well while being shot at is apparently very difficult.
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NRA: Public wants armed guards in every schoolhttp://start.toshiba.com/news/read.php?id=19356591&ps=1011&srce=news_class&action=3&lang=en&_LT=UNLC_USNWU00L3_UNEWS
By KEVIN FREKING Associated Press The Associated Press
Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:32 AM EST
Is air marshal program a model for schools?
http://start.toshiba.com/news/read.php?id=19356629&ps=1011&srce=news_class&action=5&lang=en&_LT=UNLC_USNWU00L5_UNEWS (http://start.toshiba.com/news/read.php?id=19356629&ps=1011&srce=news_class&action=5&lang=en&_LT=UNLC_USNWU00L5_UNEWS)
WASHINGTON (AP) — The National Rifle Association on Sunday forcefully stuck to its call for placing armed police officers and security guards in every school as the best way to avoid shootings such as the recent massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the largest gun rights lobbying organization, said the NRA would push Congress to pay for more school security guards and would coordinate a national effort to put former military and police offers in schools as volunteer guards.
"If it's crazy to call for putting police and armed security in our schools to protect our children, then call me crazy," LaPierre said in a broadcast interview. "I think the American people think it's crazy not to do it. It's the one thing that would keep people safe."
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Volunteer?
Does that mean no pay??
Kind of doubt thier are that many available anyway
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Volunteer?
Does that mean no pay??
Kind of doubt thier are that many available anyway
Most of those children have grandparents.
How many schools would there be that would not have retired Army , Police or first responder persons in the pool of grandparents?
If it were my duty to secure a schoolyard I would hire one well trained guard and ask for as many volenteers to supplement him as possible . The dutys of the one well trained hired guard would include opening the school , closing it , patrolling it and training his volenteer assistants.
The potential pool of volenteers is huge , proper training for the job might be the only scarcity.
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There is not an air marshal on every plane. There may be one,but often there is none.
Since they do not identify themselves, you cannot be too sure.
I don't think volunteers are an answer.
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There is not an air marshal on every plane. There may be one,but often there is none.
Since they do not identify themselves, you cannot be too sure.
I don't think volunteers are an answer.
Why not?
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Because when one is a volunteer, and one feels like staying home or taking the day off, one stays home and takes the day off. Volunteering on a regular daily basis would not guarantee either attendance or professionalism.
If you have 100 volunteers, 20 will do 80% of the work, and 80 will do 20%, and some will just take the job to avoid boredom and nagging wives.
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Volenteers get a lot done.
There is a lot of experience in organising volenteers in the USA.
Employees have a certain rate of absenteeism perhaps volenteers a bit more , so why not have both?
The professional can have specific training during school breaks , and the volenteers can have training from the professional during class time.
The more people are involved , the easyer it would be to give one or two a day off.
If I had to I would give great recognition to the most effective , and the frequently absent would have less recognition.
Once my SPO was having trouble with too much sick leave being taken , so at the annual picnick they gave recognition and a cool hat to the few guys that had taken Zero sick leave that year.
A few years later they quit giving the recognition, they couldn't afford the hats.
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I rarely missed classes or took days off.
The administration allowed ten days off per year, and when I had accumulated 100, they cut it down to 30 and didnlt even tell me.
When I left, I should have accumulated about a year and a half of sick leave over 32 years.
Some of the women on the faculty took ten days off, sick or not.
The school had no substitutes, so a colleague who said she had migraines managed to get me to take something like 40 or so of her classes. I sort of expected some sort of gift or something for this, but mostly I did not even get a thank you.
One year she decided not to teach at all, but didn't tell the administration, and of course, I ended up taking her classes for three weeks. No thanks from anyone.
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So you know, recognition counts.
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The college administration gives out these expensive, silly trophies and plaques after specific years of service. All in all, they are good for nothing but gathering dust. One looks like a blender, but it cost twice as much, and it does not blend.
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The college administration gives out these expensive, silly trophies and plaques after specific years of service. All in all, they are good for nothing but gathering dust. One looks like a blender, but it cost twice as much, and it does not blend.
What does one do to get one ?
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The one mentioned involved working for 30 years.
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I have a little lapel pin for thirty years on the same job.
And a notice that my bonus for excelent performance will not be paid this year because the budget is too tight.
Got the certificate, not the cash.
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On the volunteers. It'll likely work great for the first few years but as time goes by it'll be like pulling teeth to get them to show up and do thier job. No matter how noble the cause thier will be a limit to how much you can get non- paid worker to work. I know this because i work in a museum who actually thought of using volunteers to be cashiers to save cost. No money was stolen but they simply not very good at it and you can't really disapline people who don't get paid.
The schools would be in a tough position to tell a volunteering parent to not tell teacher how to teach thier students.
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I have a little lapel pin for thirty years on the same job. And a notice that my bonus for
excelent performance will not be paid this year because the budget is too tight.
Got the certificate, not the cash.
We have a guy that has worked for us for many years, and in a candid moment
in a meeting he actually told us that "titles" meant more to him than money.
He said going from "Accounting Mgr" to "Vice President of Accounting"
and a new fancy business card that stated such was just as good as a raise if not better.
It's amazing to watch different people's motivations in life.....
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At one time, my college would award a higher title to people that came asking for a raise. Eventually, half the full professors earned less than the average instructor. This was because the business school hired recent grads with MBA's and no experience.
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At one time, my college would award a higher title to people that came asking for a raise. Eventually, half the full professors earned less than the average instructor. This was because the business school hired recent grads with MBA's and no experience.
Hahahahaha!
And the MBA's were no nonsense about the title?
I must admit that recognition has some limits.
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I don't know what these guys felt about the title. Most of them didn't stick around long.
Instructor is the beginning title for MA degrees in colleges everywhere.