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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BSB on November 17, 2008, 12:36:23 AM
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This stuff is *the* best. It's warm, very comfortable, and quiet. I heard of them several years ago but got one of their jackets a few days ago.
http://www.kingofthemountainonline.com/ (http://www.kingofthemountainonline.com/)
A BSB recommendation.
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* We still have have a few items in the old TIMBER pattern
One COULD probably save a few bucks by choosing the old pattern, but then, they would only be able to bag unstylish deer.
I woudl think that $499 is a bit high for even a wool shirt of such amazing properties.
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Yes, no un-stylish deer, please.
Not cheap, but worth it if you use this kind of product.
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Not cheap, but worth it if you use this kind of product.
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I can see that if one is a hunter, and seeks to fill the freezer with venison every winter that the best equipment would be worth the cost. Meat is around $4 a pound, and so a couple of deer could pay for this shirt.
In what ways is this better than a common $75 plaid wool shirt?
Do you suppose that the new design would be better than the old? I don't think the deer would be all that style-conscious. I have heard that all ungulates are color blind, but of course, this is more an opinion.
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Up to you, XO. I just like to pass on really good stuff from personal experience.
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Up to you, XO. I just like to pass on really good stuff from personal experience.
And XO likes to pass on his ridicule for anyone who doesn't think like he does.
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Well, in this case I think it's evidence of XO's thriftyness.
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You can buy all the $399 hunting shirts you wish. I just asked in what ways this rather pricey item is superior to a normal wool shirt. None of you seems to know, or at least you are not telling.
I have owned, prior to moving to Florida, a number of wool shirts and they all were extremely quiet, and quite warm as well.
I think "quiet" is a standard feature of all wool shirts. I recall some rather raucous nylon windbreakers, but I have never seen nor nor heard a wool shirt that was not really, really quiet.
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You can buy all the $399 hunting shirts you wish. I just asked in what ways this rather pricey item is superior to a normal wool shirt. None of you seems to know, or at least you are not telling.
I have owned, prior to moving to Florida, a number of wool shirts and they all were extremely quiet, and quite warm as well.
I think "quiet" is a standard feature of all wool shirts. I recall some rather raucous nylon windbreakers, but I have never seen nor nor heard a wool shirt that was not really, really quiet.
For hunting the standard for silence is quite high.
Humans have cleverness and deadly wepons , the deer have unbeleiveably fine senses and they are getting more clever all the time.
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Have you ever missed a shot because you were betrayed by a noisy wool shirt?
If you insist on shooting only the stupid deer, they will continue getting smarter.
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Have you ever missed a shot because you were betrayed by a noisy wool shirt?
If you insist on shooting only the stupid deer, they will continue getting smarter.
The unavoidable consequence of evolution.
Deaf deer are doomed , hunters wearing cordeeroy are frustrated .
So deer become more sensitive as their less sensitive brethern are culled , wiser as their more foolish brethren feed hunters.
Hunters attempt lots of tactics to overcome the incredable senses of deer , tactics that work get remembered.
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Still, there are a lot of stupid deer hit by cars on the highway.
I am still wondering how a $400 wool shirt would be better than an ordinary wool shirt to justify the price.
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Still, there are a lot of stupid deer hit by cars on the highway.
I am still wondering how a $400 wool shirt would be better than an ordinary wool shirt to justify the price.
That will be corrected by evolution too.
Deer are very sensitive to low light also , another trait that makes them hard to hunt , but when their sight is overwhelmed with strong light their sensitiveity works against them , the bright light must disable their systems .
I think that the evolutionary pressure of traffic deaths will improve the intelligence of succeding generations of deer .
Also Humans are dieing to find a way to keep the deer and moose from wrecking their cars , cars less harmed by the colission or lights less likely to dazzle deer might be good selling points.
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This is getting good. :D
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This is getting good. :D
Deer need to benefit from evolution , cars need also to benefit from evolution.
A car that was less likely to be deer wrecked would have a selling point , one that ran on less money would also , which is the stronger pressure?
Can cars respond to both demands?
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I think it would depend on where you live. If there is a large deer population, and you have a short commute, the nod goes to the deer safe car. However if you live in the desert, commute 100 miles both ways, and never see anything bigger then a rattle snake, the nod goes to economy.
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I think it would depend on where you live. If there is a large deer population, and you have a short commute, the nod goes to the deer safe car. However if you live in the desert, commute 100 miles both ways, and never see anything bigger then a rattle snake, the nod goes to economy.
The environmental component of evolutionary pressure.
Cars adapting to circumstances , deer also.
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I think it would depend on where you live. If there is a large deer population, and you have a short commute, the nod goes to the deer safe car. However if you live in the desert, commute 100 miles both ways, and never see anything bigger then a rattle snake, the nod goes to economy.
ROFL!!
GOOD ONE!
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I doubt that a "deer-proof" car is actually practical. A deer could damage a semi traveling at 70 mph. I Mexico they put huge cowcatcher type iron grillwork on the front of trucks, but I have seen trucks where these have been ruined by hitting cattle or donkeys on the highway.
I have also seen a small burro lifted about 15 feet in the air by the impact of a semi. Luckily, it landed off the highway.
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During King Philip's War, Benjamin Church, and a dozen or so colonists, operated with the Sakonnets against the sachem, Philip, Massasoit's son. The Sakonnets had some strict rules the english colonists had to live by.
"The Sakkonnets also insisted that silence was essential when pursuing the enemy. ................Creaking leather shoes wre not to be tolerated; even the swishing sound made by a pair of thick pants could be detected by the Indians." from page 322 of "Mayflower" by Nathaniel Philbrick.
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Wool shirts, being eminently silent, were unmentioned.
Do you mean to imply that the $399 shirt is quieter than a cheapo $79 wool shirt?
By the way, don't clothes get quieter after being been worn?
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Did you hear me come in?
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Back in 2000 I was in Ohio enjuying a winters night with a walk.
When I came around a corner I met a grizzled veteran enjoying the night sitting on the stoop watching the stars.
He was wearing a wide brimmed hat with a feather in it and his countence bespoke his bloodline .
When he noticed me he said I was very quiet for a white man.
I felt very complimented , at first.
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Did you hear me come in?
Well, yes.
Were you wearing a $399 wool shirt?
You should not have asked for extra starch.
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When he noticed me he said I was very quiet for a white man.
I felt very complimented , at first.
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Why would anyone feel a need to be very quiet when just going for a walk?
He probably says that to all the palefaces.
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When he noticed me he said I was very quiet for a white man.
I felt very complimented , at first.
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Why would anyone feel a need to be very quiet when just going for a walk?
He probably says that to all the palefaces.
Being quiet in the woods is the best thing to do.
You can sing in the shower , you can tap dance on the stage.
But in the woods you want to be the audience , the show is tremendous , but full of subtleties .
If you pass through silently you see a lot more you hear a lot more .
A quiet time in the woods lets you leave with more memorys of the woods and less memory of you in the woods.
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Exactly Plane. It's an entirely different experience.
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I have spent a lot of time in the woods, much of it being quiet, while in the Scouts and later. But it is not essential to be quiet, after all.
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I have spent a lot of time in the woods, much of it being quiet, while in the Scouts and later. But it is not essential to be quiet, after all.
I suppose that depends on what you are trying to do.
I have been inthe woods with a lot of boys before ,I learned some things that way.
But when I am silently in the woods I can learn other things , by being quiet I allow the woods to operate around me , more than I impose on the scene.
If you go through the woods haveing a conversation with your freinds you might have a good experience , but you won't see a Turkey.
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I agree that North American wildlife avoids chatty people. I have seen a lot of Central and South American wildlife while not making a specific effort to be quiet.
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I agree that North American wildlife avoids chatty people. I have seen a lot of Central and South American wildlife while not making a specific effort to be quiet.
Must be the Howler Monkeys , you arn't going to out noise that.
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A Howler monkey is appropriately named. North American woods have fewer noisy creatures than South American jungles. There are also a lot of really noisy birds as well.
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