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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2008, 04:18:42 AM »
I hardly think that anything anyone says here will have any impact on the election.

Obama was right about what he said. He didn't intend it for public consumption.

South Park has a pair of these deadend bitter types in the characters of Jimbo and his pal, the Vietnam Vet with the electric voicebox. The local preachers and priests and their South Park congregations are pretty much typical of this as well

It isn't ever going to be a major issue.
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2008, 07:48:53 AM »
Obama was right about what he said. He didn't intend it for public consumption.

So, he just intended the insult to those he expects to vote for him to remain private? Is that actually better?
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2008, 02:29:50 PM »
I fail to see where it is even an insult.

People are frustrated and bitter, they turn to religion and guns as a result.
It is not an insult unless intended as such.
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2008, 02:48:29 PM »
So, if I happen to insult someone(s)....as long as I didn't intend to, it's perfectly ok.  Gotcha
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2008, 03:31:47 PM »
I fail to see where it is even an insult.

So, if I told someone you were frustrated and bitter, you would not consider it an insult?
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2008, 05:10:57 PM »
I fail to see where it is even an insult.

So, if I told someone you were frustrated and bitter, you would not consider it an insult?

As long as you didn't intend it to be an insult
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2008, 12:38:47 PM »
So, if I told someone you were frustrated and bitter, you would not consider it an insult?

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Obama was not addressing any specific individual, just the frustrated and bitter ones.

If I say "there are too many stupid drivers in Florida", does this insult everyone who drives in Florida?

Also, if I were frustrated and bitter, I don't think I'd be offended.
So to be offended, I would have to believe he was talking about me, and I was frustrated and bitter and in a state of denial.
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2008, 01:58:54 PM »
If I say "there are too many stupid drivers in Florida", does this insult everyone who drives in Florida?

If you're trying to court the driving voters of Florida to vote for you, you can bet quite a few will consider it an insult to them.
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2008, 04:08:26 PM »
If you're trying to court the driving voters of Florida to vote for you, you can bet quite a few will consider it an insult to them.
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Being as there are actually a great many stupid drivers here, I say this often, and everyone agrees that not only are there many stupid drivers here, but that there are more than elsewhere.
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2008, 12:41:27 AM »
So we are to assume that there are no people at all in small towns in dead-end situations that are not bitter who do not turn to churches and guns for consolation and who do not blame illegal immigrants for their plights?

Of course this is true. No one is telling anyone what to believe, though. It was a correct observation that Obama made.


Gun sales hit an all time high during the Clinton administration , those times of desprate financial bitterness.

On the other hand , if hard times lead people to God then God bless the hard times, a relationship with God is better than fat.

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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2008, 03:26:01 AM »
So we are to assume that there are no people at all in small towns in dead-end situations that are not bitter who do not turn to churches and guns for consolation and who do not blame illegal immigrants for their plights?

Of course this is true. No one is telling anyone what to believe, though. It was a correct observation that Obama made.


Gun sales hit an all time high during the Clinton administration , those times of desprate financial bitterness.  On the other hand , if hard times lead people to God then God bless the hard times, a relationship with God is better than fat.


God and Guns
The only healthy way to fly.

By Mark Steyn


Our lesson today comes from the songwriter Frank Loesser: ?Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition.?

Or as Barack Obama and his San Francisco pals would put it: God and guns. Loesser got the phrase from Howell Forgy, a naval chaplain at Pearl Harbor, who walked the decks of the New Orleans under Japanese bombardment exhorting his comrades. When the line came to Loesser?s ears, he turned it into a big hit song of the Second World War:

Praise the Lord and swing into position
Can?t afford to sit around a-wishin??


? which some folks sang as ?Can?t afford to be a politician.? Indeed. Senator Obama?s remarks about poor dumb bitter rural losers ?clinging to? guns and God certainly testify to the instinctive snobbery of a big segment of the political class. But we shouldn?t let it go by merely deploring coastal condescension toward the knuckledraggers. No, what Michelle Malkin calls Crackerquiddick (quite rightly ? it?s more than just another dreary ?-gate?) is not just snobbish nor even merely wrongheaded. It?s an attack on two of the critical advantages the U.S. holds over most of the rest of the western world. In the other G7 developed nations, nobody clings to God?n?guns. The guns got taken away, and the Europeans gave up on churchgoing once they embraced Big Government as the new religion.

How?s that working out? Compared to America, France and Germany have been more or less economically stagnant for the last quarter-century, living permanently with unemployment rates significantly higher than the U.S.

Has it made them any less ?bitter,? as Obama characterizes those Pennsylvanian crackers? No. In my book America Alone, just out in paperback and available in all good bookstores ? you?ll find it in Borders propping up the wonky rear leg of the display table for the smash new CD Michelle Obama And The San Francisco Macchiato Chorus Sing ?I Pinned My Pink Slip To The Gun Rack Of My Pick-Up?, ?My Dog Done Died, My Wife Jus? Left Me, And Michael Dukakis Is Strangely Reluctant To Run Again?, Plus ?I Swung By The Economic Development Zone Business Park But The Only Two Occupied Rental Units Were Both Evangelical Churches? And Other Embittered Appalachian Favorites ?

Where was I? Oh, yes. In my book America Alone, I note a global survey on optimism: 61 per cent of Americans were optimistic about the future, 29 per cent of the French, 15 per cent of Germans. Take it from a foreigner: In my experience, Americans are the least ?bitter? people in the developed world. Secular gun-free big-government Europe doesn?t seem to have done anything for people?s happiness. Consider by way of example the words of Keith Reade. He?s not an Obama speechwriter, he?s a writer for the London Daily Mirror. And the day after the 2004 presidential election he expressed his frustration in an alarmingly Obamaesque way:

Were I a Kerry voter, though, I?d feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets. The self-righteous, gun-totin?, military-lovin?, sister-marryin?, abortion-hatin?, gay-loathin?, foreigner-despisin?, non-passport ownin? red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest d*** in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land ?free and strong.?

Well, that?s certainly why I supported Bush, but I?m not sure it entirely accounts for the other 62,039,073 incontinent rednecks. Mr Reade, though, does usefully enumerate some of the distinctive features that separate America from the rest of the west. ?Self-righteous?? If you want a public culture that reeks of indestructible faith in its own righteousness, try Europe ? especially when they?re talking about America: If you disagree with Eutopian wisdom, you must be an idiot. Obama and far too many Democrats have bought into this delusion, most thoroughly distilled in Thomas Frank?s book What?s The Matter With Kansas?, whose argument is that heartland voters are too dumb (i.e., ?moronic muppets?) to vote for their own best interests.

Europeans did ?vote for their own best interests? ? i.e., cradle-to-grave welfare, 35 hour work-weeks, six weeks of paid vacation, etc ? and as a result they now face a perfect storm of unsustainable entitlements, economic stagnation, and declining human capital that?s left them so demographically beholden to unassimilable levels of immigration that they?re being remorselessly Islamized with every passing day. We should thank God (if you?ll forgive the expression) that America?s loser gun-nuts don?t share the same sophisticated rational calculation of ?their best interests? as Thomas Frank, Obama, too many Democrats and the European political establishment.

As for ?gun-totin?,? large numbers of Americans tote guns because they?re assertive, self-reliant citizens, not docile subjects of a permanent governing class. The Second Amendment is philosophically consistent with the First Amendment, for which I?ve become more grateful since the Canadian Islamic Congress decided to sue me for ?hate speech? up north. Both amendments embody the American view that liberty is not the gift of the state, and its defense cannot be outsourced exclusively to the government.

I think a healthy society needs both God and guns: it benefits from a belief in some kind of higher purpose to life on earth, and it requires a self-reliant citizenry. If you lack either of those twin props, you wind up with today?s Europe ? a present-tense Eutopia mired in fatalism. A while back, I was struck by the words of Oscar van den Boogaard, a Dutch gay humanist (which is pretty much the trifecta of Eurocool). Reflecting on the Continent?s accelerating Islamification, he concluded that the jig was up for the Europe he loved, but what could he do? ?I am not a warrior, but who is?? he shrugged. ?I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it.?

Sorry, it doesn?t work like that. If you don?t understand that there are times when you?ll have to fight for it, you won?t enjoy it for long. That?s what a lot of Keith Reade?s laundry list ? ?gun-totin?,? ?military-lovin?? ? boils down to. As for ?gay-loathin,?? it?s Oscar van den Boogaard?s famously tolerant Amsterdam where gay-bashing is resurgent: the editor of the American gay paper the Washington Blade got beaten up in the streets on his last visit to the Netherlands.

God and guns. Maybe one day a viable society will find a magic cure-all that can do without both, but Big Government isn?t it. And even complacent liberal Democrats ought to be able to cast an eye across the ocean and see that. But then he did give the speech in San Francisco, a city demographically declining at a rate that qualifies it for EU membership. When it comes to parochial simpletons, you don?t need to go to Kansas.


 
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Re: Obama caught making condescending and elitist comments
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2008, 01:29:14 PM »
I think a healthy society needs both God and guns: it benefits from a belief in some kind of higher purpose to life on earth, and it requires a self-reliant citizenry. If you lack either of those twin props, you wind up with today?s Europe ? a present-tense Eutopia mired in fatalism. A while back, I was struck by the words of Oscar van den Boogaard, a Dutch gay humanist (which is pretty much the trifecta of Eurocool). \\

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The reason Europe needs to import Muslims as laborers is the low birthrate among Europeans. This is not in any way due to a lack of guns.

People could have more children with or without guns. Owning a gun has nothing to do with self  reliance. Very very few Americans eat only what they hunt and shoot.
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