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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on June 17, 2008, 05:54:31 PM
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I am perplexed .
Once again Rich has left the building.
I don't want to controll the debate or controll the members .
But I do want a broud spectrum of members and acceptable civility.
Are my aims incompatable with each other?
Am I being obtuse about something that I could do better?
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I am perplexed .
Once again Rich has left the building.
I don't want to controll the debate or controll the members .
But I do want a broud spectrum of members and acceptable civility.
Are my aims incompatable with each other?
Am I being obtuse about something that I could do better?
You're doing fine Plane, and your aims are not incompatible. People with emotions are going to devolve occasionally, I think most people understand and accept that. The problem is when it becomes an ongoing issue. That is when it should be dealt with.
I was looking forward to finishing my debate with Rich, FWIW.
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Rich can dish it out but he can't take it. It's too bad because I was enjoying my exchanges with him as well. The good news is, he'll be back - - eventually.
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If Tee can come back........ ;)
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damn!!!
I really wanted to him to respond on my statement on transdenders
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Transdenders? Is that a new kind of transmission? ;D
J/K
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lol!!!
just in case
I meant transgender
I stated for some reason that heterosexual men like transgender men.
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Thank you , but Ritch has a point .
I mentioned him .
I have never tried to reign in the left , how could I?
I engague in the debate , mostly for the right , so what would my chastisement of the left look like?
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Richie has not had an original point in years. He only posts crap he found elsewhere and offers hate and insults to anyone who disagrees with him.
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Richie has not had an original point in years. He only posts crap he found elsewhere and offers hate and insults to anyone who disagrees with him.
You realize , that I seldom disagreed with him politically.
I didn't want him gone , I don't want anyone gone, we have achieved a pretty good group , but it is too small to give up its fringe elements without an impact on the veracity of the sample.
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I hardly think we have seen the last of Richie. But he contributed very, very little of value.
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<<I hardly think we have seen the last of Richie. But he contributed very, very little of value.>>
On the contrary, and in all seriousness, he made an enormous contribution, as a gadfly.
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A statistical sample is mor dependable if it is larger.
A microcosim can represent the cosmos if it isn't refined and sifted , but is a representation in its sampling of the whole.
Reduce the sample and the sample is more prone to error.
Shift tha sample , removeing a type , and the error is garrunteed.
Whether Rich was telling you the truth or not is not my point.
Originality is also beside the point we have never required it.
What we loose when we loose even the least of us is the truth of the debate , not the objective truth which we may never find anyway , but the truth of reading the nation , the world with a fair and true process.
(http://www.gallerym.com/pixs/photogs/associated/images/dewey_defeats_truman.jpg)http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/10113
http://www.authentichistory.com/1950s/speeches/19481103_Thomas_Dewey_Concedes_Election.html
Do any of us remember the story behind " Dewey Defeats Trueman"?
The Editors and reporters of the Chicago Tribune were shocked and heard to exclaim , "Nobody I know was going to vote for Trueman".
How do we insulate ourselves from knowing the other side of the story , and how do we ensure that we will not know the whole story ?
By accepting only the truth we know .
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Richie has not had an original point in years. He only posts crap he found elsewhere and offers hate and insults to anyone who disagrees with him.
You realize , that I seldom disagreed with him politically.
I didn't want him gone , I don't want anyone gone, we have achieved a pretty good group , but it is too small to give up its fringe elements without an impact on the veracity of the sample.
I realize that Plane, and I (think) that I understand your reasoning for it. My issue with Rich was never his politics, there are some aspects to conservativism that I'm in agreement with, and there are conservatives here that while I don't agree with them, I can respect as people, such as you and sirs and a few others. My issue with Rich was personality, and the inability to separate the political from the personal. There are some on the left in here that I really disagree with, but I've yet to endure a personal attack from one of them. And yes, I realize that a couple of them have come pretty close to the line that Rich crossed, but I haven't seen any of them cross that line as systematically and with such blatant disregard to other people as he felt compelled to do. If they had, I'd be calling for their removal as well.
With all of that said, I hope that he doesn't come back (a futile hope, but a hope nonetheless). His political beliefs aside, the behavior is predictable - fine for a couple of weeks, then the personal assaults make a comeback, and this forum devolves into the ensuing lunacy. I think that the points of view that he adds should be balanced against the civility that he detracts from (and yes, I know that this isn't a one way street), and to me, if that were tallied he'd be in the red. Further, if I were a conservative (which like I said, I like some aspects of conservatism, but I'm definitely not a conservative, nor a liberal for that matter), I'd cringe every time he sat at the keyboard. The kind and form of rhetoric that he engages in is not only non-objective, it's generally insulting and off-putting. That's not who I'd want for the poster boy of my political beliefs. Most people, I think, are intelligent and objective enough to see it for what it is, but there are a lot of "guests" that hit this board too, and maybe they aren't (or are and I'm just being cynical).
In the end Plane I believe that you made the right call. I don't applaud the removal of other members here, but there comes a time when certain people need to be dealt with - that time is usually in regard to a breakdown in civility that detracts from the ability of other members to enjoy their engagement here. I'm not a moderator and have no wish to be one, and I normally respect the decisions that moderators make, because that's your job, not mine. It's easy to be an armchair general, it's harder to make the actual call. Your attention to the matter at hand, your resolution to it, and your call for the other parties involved to take a look at their own actions, is greatly valued and appreciated Plane.
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I think a gadfly should add at least an original thought. Rich never did this.
There was nothing he posted that everyone had not seen before.
And there is nothing to be gained from his constant, deliberately annoying insults.
He was one of the most intolerant dweebs I have ever come across.
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As opposed to the DNC trapclap you & Tee post on an hourly basis
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[I realize that Plane, and I (think) that I understand your reasoning for it. My issue with Rich was never his politics, there are some aspects to conservativism that I'm in agreement with, and there are conservatives here that while I don't agree with them, I can respect as people, such as you and sirs and a few others. .
That was a very nice post , I am somewhat mollified now.
But I didn't eject Rich , I just disapointed him .
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The guy is simply a dick who can't take it when he is asked to STFU.
He's caustic and an asshole.
Having said that, I've defended his being expunged a couple of times but I'm just sick of saying he should be expelled.
As someone who has lost his cool many times and intentionally insulted folks, in order to maintain relevant dignity and civility when I do lose it on someone, I usually apologize afterwards or express some kind disappointment with myself.
Sadly, Rich doesn't do this. Further, I'd bet he doesn't know HOW to do this.
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<<I think a gadfly should add at least an original thought.>>
I would respectfully disagree. A gadfly just needs to display a prodigious degree of ignorance, bigotry, hatred, cruelty, callousness or irrationality - - all of which Rich possessed in abundance - - just to get me all riled up and ready to let him have it with both barrels. I think I did some of my clearest thinking and best writing just from a burning desire to squelch that asshole after some particularly nasty post.
If I were responding to a bunch of mealy-mouthed liberals in here, the most I would be able to muster would be a tepid "Right on!" or "Well said!" without rising to any kind of challenge and without feeling the NEED to respond at all.
Asking for originality from a conservative is like asking for pears from an elm tree - - conservatives are by definition wedded to the past, to the old ways and old traditions. They don't WANT to innovate and they shouldn't be expected to come up with new ways of seeing or thinking. The old ways are good enough for them in all respects, which is why they are conservatives in the first place.
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"(1)- - just to get me all riled up and ready to let him have it with both barrels. I think I did some of my clearest thinking and best writing just from a burning desire to squelch that asshole after some particularly nasty post.
(2)If I were responding to a bunch of mealy-mouthed liberals in here, the most I would be able to muster would be a tepid "Right on!" or "Well said!" without rising to any kind of challenge and without feeling the NEED to respond at all.
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I am glad to learn number one , cathartic, I hadn't even thought of it.
Number two we are in agreement on .
I just must be wrong .
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<<I just must be wrong .>>
Maybe I'm not getting something. I thought that Rich jumped ship. Did YOU kick him out? For what?
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<<I just must be wrong .>>
Maybe I'm not getting something. I thought that Rich jumped ship. Did YOU kick him out? For what?
I offended him.
This is way worse than you offending him.
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Well, I'm kinda glad it wasn't I who caused his departure. Something he said in ending one of his posts to me ("Done.") I had taken as indicating he was done with ME, and then later when I read he was gone, I thought he had meant he was "done" with the whole group.
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Did he delete his own membership? This is the reason that I thought that he was ejected.
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It really doesn't matter. Unless he is actively ousted and banned, he'll simply run away for a while, get some support from some other forum and then return with a new attitude till he has another period of madness.
He's done it for years now.
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I have never booted anyone , Rich did not welcome my chideing.
The administrators of this site occasionally discuss diffrences in policy , we don't agree on everything but we have a consensus so far that maximum lattitude is desireable for all members, and that responsibility , civility should be encouraged.
I am happy with the result most of the time.
But I didn't want to loose Rich.
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Rich left of his own accord.