Ya All Remember This Ho

[Michael Tee]

<<I guess this girl just gets mixed up with the wrong sort all the time. After all, that was the *second* time that she accused a group of men of raping her - and the first time was discovered to have been a lie as well.

<<What are the chances of her being gang-raped by three white guys twice? Yes, the first time around she even specified three white men as well, it was pretty much the same story as she told with the Duke lacrosse players.>>

Well, I admit I didn't know about the first rape accusation.  That's a potential game-changer, depending on the circumstances.  Unless there's a frat culture/team culture of rape and she's just forced to work in an unhealthy environment where rape is one of the hazards of the job.  Which wouldn't surprise me.

[Amianthus]

Well, I admit I didn't know about the first rape accusation.  That's a potential game-changer, depending on the circumstances.  Unless there's a frat culture/team culture of rape and she's just forced to work in an unhealthy environment where rape is one of the hazards of the job.  Which wouldn't surprise me.

No, it happened before she got into stripping. She accused a bunch of guys at her high school, IIRC. They also were nowhere near where she claimed that it happened at the time she said it happened (they had alibis just like the Duke Lacrosse players.)

[Amianthus]

However, we could look at the actions of this little angel in pure factual detail.  He (standing 6-3) and two other team-mates accost a pair of inoffensive men leaving a bar, complete strangers, and demand that one of them admit he's gay, throw punches, at least two of which land on the guy's face and voice numerous other homophobic insults.

Err, "inoffensive men" might not be an accurate description. During the trial it was alleged that Bloxsom's friend Scott Herndon was a "hothead" and actually threw the first punch.

Why is so hard for you to believe that both sides were more or less equally at fault, having had some alcohol and then being hotheaded and throwing around insults, leading to fisticuffs? Sounds like normal behavior at most bars near college campuses. One of the reasons I prefer the neighborhood pubs instead - the guys there are more afraid of their wives finding out if they got into an argument while drinking...

[kimba1]

true or false

I gotta say these guys were the most indignant .
I`ve never recall of any rape case were the men publicly complained about their reps being tarnished.

[sirs]

So, you woudn't have a problem with the airwaves and media falsely castigating you as a rapist??  You've got a pretty solid rep here in the saloon Kimba.  Me thinks it would be severely tarnished if we were to be told by prosecuting attorneys and a racial minority victim-oriented media machine, that you were.

Not that you are of course.  Just saying

[kimba1]

not saying they shouldn`t be upset about this,just pointing out they`re the only ones I ever recall ever saying it in public to the media.

but about me

I`m truely surprised when something happens ,people actually have no doubts I didn`t do it.
I never would of thought that I earned that kind of rep.
I don`t know what to think of it.
I sure as hell not gonna use it.

[sirs]

not saying they shouldn`t be upset about this,just pointing out they`re the only ones I ever recall ever saying it in public to the media.

And if it were I, that was put in the same false accusation place, with it repeatedly plasted all over the media with the inferrence that I must be guilty, I'd be going public as well, when it was found out what a sham it all was

But that's just me

[Amianthus]

not saying they shouldn`t be upset about this,just pointing out they`re the only ones I ever recall ever saying it in public to the media.

Then again, you don't usually have the DA in the case on the TV constantly pointing the finger, either. They were defending themselves in the same media as they were being accused. The DA was using it as an election stunt, so he needed it to be very public.

[Universe Prince]

<<So now an adult choosing to take her clothes off for money is the same as allowing children to work as miners?>>

No, that is not what I said.  I said that both were examples of exploitation.

<<You seem to be the only peddling manure here.>>

Why, falsifying my words doesn't count as manure?  Sure does in my book.  Don't be so modest.

I did not falsify anything. You equated the woman stripping with children working in a mine. The exploitation is the same you said. Maybe the pages of your book got stuck together.

Well, Prince, you obviously have your rose-coloured glasses and you seem to love looking through them.  Maybe the guy really is doubly unfortunate to be beset by so many false accusations.  You go on looking on him as you please, and as for myself, I know a piece of shit when I see on and Colin Finnerty is nothing if not an egregiously stinking piece of lousy shit.  His team-mates, too.  Especially the guy who wants to skin and eat a black stripper.  Although I guess to you he's just a healthy normal good-natured young fella with an outlandish sense of humour.  Ah well, to each his own.

You want to complain about your words supposedly being falsified, but you have no problem making up a position out of thin air and ascribing it to me. You didn't ask what my take on the guy was. You apparently just assumed that if I wasn't joining you on the "he's a piece of shit" bandwagon that I must think "he's just a healthy normal good-natured young fella with an outlandish sense of humour." But this is your way, either/or, black or white. One should not expect anything anything else from you.

[Amianthus]

But this is your way, either/or, black or white. One should not expect anything anything else from you.

Mikey's a big fan of the "false dichotomy" fallacy.

[sirs]

Not to mention that unless you're a diehard liberal, you're a greedy capitalist bastard, or that unless you support Obama's socialist agenda, you must be a racist bastard, or that unless you oppose the U.S. military, you're a lover of low hanging unintelligent rapist military thugs    

[Amianthus]

All good examples of "false dichotomy".

[sirs]

kinda like;
Unless one supports overt draconian enviromental regulations, you want world wide pollution?

Unless one supports mandatory vaccinations, you want women to die of cancer?

Unless one supports cradle <--> grave Government intervention, you want children to starve & the elderly to die?  Or is it the other way around?  I always forget that one, when its used