Boat Anchorism Coming on Hard

[Xavier_Onassis]

Total and utter bullshit. negotiating with a Canadian pipeline company is hardly the stuff of international treaties.

You are deluded if you think she is competent.

[BT]

Total and utter bullshit. negotiating with a Canadian pipeline company is hardly the stuff of international treaties.

Ummm I believe i said contract, not treaty. Your competency in reading for content seems to be questionable.

Now does Obama have anything to match even a piddly multinational pipeline deal? Perhaps he had a lemonade stand in Indonesia? Anything, Buehler?

[Plane]

Does Canada really count as foreign in most of our minds?

Freindly familiar foreign and near , but perhaps too familiar to really count as truely foreign.

Haveing a long border with Canada might make most Alaskans more familiar with foreign relations than say the tipical Georgian , or it would if Canada really counted as an independant nation.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Canada is an independent nation, but the economies of both Canada and Mexico are very heavily intertwined with that of the US. Canadian business deals are made in English: no translators required. Stuff is translated into French after the deal is approved. The business conventions are based on English common law in both countries. Other than wigs on court officials and words like solicitor and barrister, the legal system is identical.

Palin participated in the initial negotiation of a gas pipeline contract with a Canadian company, which was likely controlled by US interests. Her role was largely ceremonial. It's not like she was negotiating a weapons treaty with the Russians.

[BT]

Palin participated in the initial negotiation of a gas pipeline contract with a Canadian company, which was likely controlled by US interests. Her role was largely ceremonial. It's not like she was negotiating a weapons treaty with the Russians.

And even that, is more than Obama has done.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Obama managed to get himself nominated as a presidential candidate. That is more than Palin ever do. Or could do. He managed to get a lot of legislation passed inthe IL legislature, despite it being controlled by the Republicans. That's more than Sarah Palin can or has done, too. 

Unlike Palin, Obama does not require handlers who keep the press away, should an attack of hoof-in-mouth come on. LOok, the best evidence of her incompetence is that she is not allowed to make her own schedule. Every answer she gives to anything is written and prepared in advance.

In short, I see no reason to trust Palin when her own party refuses to trust her.

[BT]

Considering that you are slamming Palin on her foreign policy experience, shouldn't we be looking at Obama's foreign policy experience?

[Amianthus]

He managed to get a lot of legislation passed inthe IL legislature, despite it being controlled by the Republicans.

When he was in the state senate, both state houses were controlled by Democrats.

Where do you get the "despite it being controlled by the Republicans" bit from? Illinois has been a majority Democrat state for many years...

[Xavier_Onassis]

shouldn't we be looking at Obama's foreign policy experience?

NO, we should be looking at the fact that McCain still thinks Viet Nam and Iraq were great places to invade, wonderful opportunities to piss away fortunes that could have been spent on fellow Americans and fine places for American troops to get killed and maimed in.

McCain is a warmongering asshole. If he lives we get more war, if he dies we get Isabel Peron II. Republicans suck and have for a very, very long time.

[BT]

NO,

Why not. Apparently it is an important criteria for a VP, one would think it doubly important for the top seat.

Don't worry. Won't take long to examine Obama's foreign policy credentials.
It is a very short list , with just the title on it.

[Xavier_Onassis]

McCain's credentials seem to indicate that doing the WRONG thing (ie mongering futile and unnecessary wars) are at the top of his list.

The world is predisposed to see the election of Obama as a positive thing. "Look", people will say, "The Americans are no longer racist warmongering assholes, let's see what this Obama has to say."

Electing McCain would elicit "Oh, shit! don't those Americans ever learn anything? More damned stupid warmongering thieving corrupt richguy-worshipping Republicans! Don;t they ever learn anything? If McCain shows up for dinner, hide the good silver!"
 

[BT]

Look

It's real simple.

You guys are slamming Palin for her lack of foreign policy experience because she MIGHT end up president.

Meanwhile your guy has less experience than she has and it is his election to lose.

Having said that, your guy might be a calmer more reflective guy than McCain whe it comes to foreign policy, but if Palin were called to serve, i'm pretty sure she would be better at main street kitchen table issues.

And I have a strong feeling that the pendulum will swing towards the domestic in the next 4 to 8 years.

 

[Xavier_Onassis]

And I have a strong feeling that the pendulum will swing towards the domestic in the next 4 to 8 years.
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I can't imagine why it would. The oil we need is under their sand. Even if there were a major effort to switch from petroleum, and the GOP is in the pockets of the 'drill baby drill' bunch, it won't happen in the next 8 years. So we are stuck with being a part of the global economy. Japan has had to do this forever.

The election will be this November, not in four to eight years.

Palin and McCain won't be elected based on four to eight years.

Face it, the GOP looks like sh*t and fell in it because of the past eight years. They COULD have run McCain in 2000 or 2004, but they stuck with the stubborn ignoramus because he was more compliant than McCain who was maybe 10% Maverick and  has since hugged Juniorbush and made nice with him. McCain has let his towering ambition overpower his common sense. He's done this before, when he refused to see that Vietnam was a waste to be abandoned. He saw it as a sport to be won. Go Team!!

He did it again when he supported the corrupt, drunken and inappropriately named John Tower.

Palin is a ditz. She will do what the party bosses tell her. She has already abandoned her anti-corruption campaign for fame & fortune.


Palin and McCain are not very wise about the economy, and perhaps not wise enough to choose advisers who are. Selecting advisers is far more important than expertise. But you have to know something about the economy to select good advisers.

Juniorbush had Colin Powell, an excellent adviser, but he rejected him and then used his patriotism to turn him into a shameful whore.

[Plane]

Selecting advisers is far more important than expertise.

I saw this same point made quite well in Michavellis "The Prince" , it does seem to be true.


So how wise does one prove oneself if one picks  Senator Biden as a running mate?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Biden is sure to be a far better adviser than Palin. He knows more about foreign affairs than the other three put together. He wasn't the flashiest choice, but he is certainly not a bad choice, and naming him was definitely not a stunt.