How about Cecil the Lion vs the Fugitive Dentist?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Innovation is pretty much the opposite of tradition.
Tradition is what kept the nobility going for centuries.

[sirs]

That is total bullshit. Corporations control every damned thing you do.

No they don't.  Government does however, cemented with the healthcare takeover

Now they want to buy the government as well.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN BOUGHT....THAT'S THE BLOODY POINT.  And the bigger Government is allowed to get, the more that "the rich" and corporations can peddle their power and influence

[Xavier_Onassis]

The strategy to prevent corporations from taking over the government is not going to be solved by electing Republican'ts. They ARE the military industrial complex.
No Republican't running has said one word against any corporation, not even the too big to fail banks.

[sirs]

Corporations aren't the problem here

[Xavier_Onassis]

Corporations and their peddling of bogus derivatives and other crap were the major cause of the 2008 Depression. The too big to fail banks were bailed out with taxpayer money and they are still too big to fail. Big Coal and Big Oil are ruining the atmosphere, Big Pharma is robbing sick people blind. Hospital corporations will not reveal the price of procedures to the patient before the procedure is performed, so there can be no competition.  Check cashing stores are charging more interest than the Mafia.
Military contractors are bilking the public with multimillion dollar weapons and aircraft that do not work with huge cost overruns. Big Timber is clear cutting national parks.

The list of corporations being the problem is endless.
 And all you want to do is rant about Benghazi, Hillary's choice of e mail providers and women voluntarily donating fetal tissue for research to benefit the sick.

[sirs]

Sorry, not going to let you try to re-write history.  The "Depression" had prescious little to do with corporations, and far more to do with Government trying to mandate home owndership, that then directly led to the housing bubble burst.  All they while propping up these "too big to fail" organizations, there-by solidifying their influence and power.

And the BIGGER the Government is allowed to get, the MORE power & influence they can peddle, at the expense of everyone else

[Xavier_Onassis]

I know what happened because I read, and you do not because what you read is CRAP.

Banks gave bogus mortgages and then at the same time told their investors that they were a great deal while they were selling them short.
They did this because Rebublican't Phil Gramm buggered the laws that banned banks from selling mortgages.

Everyone with a brain knows what happened, but you, with only crap between your ears, do not.

[sirs]

Sorry, what depression occured was 85% Government caused & 15% other.  Banks gave mortgages to folks they had no business giving mortgages to, because the Fed told them to, with the indirect threat of their banking abilities being thoroughly reigned in, by the FDIC & Federal Reserve, if they didn't fully comply...with the added wink that Freddie & Fannie had their back.  So, given the green light to go willy nilly, they did......and the rest is HISTORY.  Prescious little had to do with anything Gramm

[Xavier_Onassis]

Banks were not forced to give mortgages to the jobless and indigent, don't be an idiot.

The incentive was the huge commissions paid to those who peddled these mortgages and derivatives to fools who peddled them to even more ignorant fools.

This was allowed because Phil Gramm (R-TX) made it possible for banks to do this.

The too big to fail banks are still too big to fail.

So far as I can see, the ONLY candidate who would do something effective to break them up would be Bernie Sanders.

[sirs]

Never said "Jobless" or "Indigent".  I made it clear that it was mortgages to those who had no business trying to take on a mortgage.  It started under Clinton, and was exacerbated under Bush.  And when the GOP saw the red flags, the Dems circled the wagons around Freddie & Fannie...and the rest is history

NO DEMOCRAT is going to limit Government's growth.  And the BIGGER the Government is allowed to get, the MORE power & influence the the uber rich and corporations can peddle, at the expense of everyone else

[Xavier_Onassis]

No Republican't has ever made the government smaller. Not one. Many have made it more inefficient and unresponsive, though.

[sirs]

Perhaps now you'll grasp I'm not some coolaide drinking republican, as you're right, they haven't made nary a move at shrinking Government....merely words to that effect.  At least that's what they campaign on.  The Dems campaign on BIGGER Government, which leads to even greater levels of horrid inefficiency & responsiveness.....not to mention the main point being made here, in that the bigger the Government, the more power that the uber rich & corporations can peddle their influence, and get away with it

[Xavier_Onassis]

Think of it this way: if the only thing that will stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun, then the only thing that will stop an evil corporation is a more powerful government.

It does not have to be bigger to have more power: It just needs better laws and the power to enforce them.

The Republicant's have been nattering about smaller government for decades and all they have done is make it weaker and less competent at defending the people from corporations. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, OleBush, Juniorbush have excelled at preventing government regulators from regulating.

[sirs]

That could apply if this were a war, but being that this is just the 2 of them feeding each other, it doesn't work.  Corporations are not defacto evil, regardless of how "big" they are.  However, they feed on bigger and bigger government.  The bigger the government, the more power they're able to peddle

We have laws, AND THE POWER TO ENFORCE THEM....but when the government decides its going to enforce some laws and ignore others, you have a dysfunctional government, not one of the people, but one of the well connected.  You also have the makings of an oppressive regime.  And the bigger the Government, the more oppressive it becomes.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The government of Sweden is not oppressive. The government of Denmark is not oppressive. The worst thing they make anyone do is sort their trash.