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Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« on: December 21, 2006, 12:07:30 AM »
I've always considered Jolie an extremely smokin' hottie but I've also usually thought of her as getting as close to being mentally handicapped without actually being declared that.  (I also always imagined her as having a really bad patchouli/BO smell to her and that's why she and Brad Pitt get on so well because you know he's just stinky.)  But I've also had that slightest bit of respect for her going to countries that don't generally have bathtubs or toilets in every living quarter.  Lord love her because I"m sure I could never make it.

Her parenting skills have always been in question for me because of the demands of her line of work and her generally bizarre antics and her highly dysfunctional family.  But now comes this from Ms. Jolie:
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ANGELINA JOLIE insists adoptive parents are more fit to raise a child than biological parents, because their background and personality is thoroughly scrutinised to see if they're suitable for the challenge. The GIRL, INTERRUPTED actress was put through stringent tests before being granted permission to adopt MADDOX, five, and ZAHARA, one. But when she gave birth to baby girl SHILOH NOUVEL earlier this year (06), nobody investigated her suitability as a mother. She says, "It should be hard to be a parent period. I go through many things to adopt. "I'm finger-printed, I'm checked, I go through home studies. I have to prove I'm a decent citizen; a good human being. "That didn't happen to me when I gave birth, so it's interesting that there's no background check when you bring a child into your home in that way."

That is an aspect of adoption vs bearing children comparison that I've never really thought about.  People who want to adopt must PROVE they have the ability and are fit to take a child into their homes.  And two morons can bump monkeys and no one ever bothers to ask if they are fit?  Does that seem right?  I don't think so.  It's sounds hypocritical to me.

Now please don't misunderstand.  I don't mean for a second that adoptive parents shouldn't be investigated first and face a rigorous process.  Yes, they very much should.  And I would even go further and say that ALL people who seek to become parents should face an equally rigorous process.  For if we as a society will not allow someone to give an orphan a home without the owner of that home having met certain standards, how then can we allow someone to create new children with NO standards having been met?

Is this then a question of property rights?  If I build a car in my garage out of parts that I smelt the ore that I dug for myself, molded myself, painted it myself, oiled it myself, tuned it myself, before I can take my creation onto the streets of Memphis, I should go get a driver's license or risk ticketing.   And just because I have the wherewithal to build the car, that in no way implies that I can also drive the car.

By what reasoning does someone who can create a child have more ability to raise a child than someone who cannot create a child or doesn't want to create another child when there are millions starving the world over?  The answer is obvious.  None.

As always when we visit this subject, I will inject Keanu Reeves' line from Parenthood that says so much: 

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You know, Miss Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog or drive a car. Hell, you need a license to catch a fish. But they´ll let any butt-reamin´ asshole be your father.

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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2006, 12:17:04 AM »
How many times have the kid police visited Angelina Jolie since she adopted the kids? Seems the  scrutiny is prior to possession. Is there an expectation of followup? How about for biologicals? How do you put no knock inspections in place?


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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2006, 12:45:19 AM »
How many times have the kid police visited Angelina Jolie since she adopted the kids? Seems the  scrutiny is prior to possession. Is there an expectation of followup? How about for biologicals? How do you put no knock inspections in place?



When was the last time the drivers license cops did a random check of your license status? 

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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2006, 12:49:45 AM »
So you choose to provide a non reply.

Serious question.

How would this licensing work?

Would you be in favor of wiretaps?

No knock visits?

Subpoenas of your children's medical records?

Scrutiny of your grocery list and your television viewing habits?

Where is the presumption of innocence in all of this?

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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 12:53:12 AM »
BTW if there is the presumption of a basic right to marry as was established in Loving vs Virginia and which is the basis for challenges to anti gay marriage restrictions, wouldn't it follow that there is also a basic right to reproduce? How would your new laws fare based on these constitutional precedents?




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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2006, 12:58:45 AM »
Furthermore adoptive children are usually already wards of the state when going through the process of placement.

Embryos and fetus do not have those same rights. Now if you would like to change that, you might have a basis to enact your prequalification laws.

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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2006, 01:18:43 AM »
How many times have the kid police visited Angelina Jolie since she adopted the kids? Seems the  scrutiny is prior to possession. Is there an expectation of followup? How about for biologicals? How do you put no knock inspections in place?



When was the last time the drivers license cops did a random check of your license status? 

Two years ago.

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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2006, 02:05:32 AM »
So you choose to provide a non reply.


Certainly not.  My question was serious.  No one comes to your house to check and see if you're keeping your driving license up to date.  Nor would anyone come 'round checking on you after you've been checked out the first time for childrearing.  And you know what you're suggesting is not even remotely what I'm proposing.

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Serious question.

How would this licensing work?

Would you be in favor of wiretaps?

No knock visits?

Subpoenas of your children's medical records?

Scrutiny of your grocery list and your television viewing habits?

Where is the presumption of innocence in all of this?


Absolute nonsense.

You know I favor making a child-rearing class part of every high school's required curriculum for graduation.  It's that simple.

My question still stands if you'd like to take a stab at it.  Why check out adoptive parents and not natural ones?

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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2006, 02:11:46 AM »
BTW if there is the presumption of a basic right to marry as was established in Loving vs Virginia and which is the basis for challenges to anti gay marriage restrictions, wouldn't it follow that there is also a basic right to reproduce? How would your new laws fare based on these constitutional precedents?


That's for the courts to decide.

The fact remains that crack heads are not fit parents.  Meth addicts are not fit parents.  The state intervenes when a person is incarcerated with a child present.  The convict has to show that they have cleaned up their act.

Would you say that Paris Hilton would make a good mom?  Wouldn't it make sense to have her at least take a test on it?  How about Michael Jackson?  When he dangled that kid over the balcony, didn't the locals have someone run right over there?

Yeah, at the very least, there should be a test of some kind to receive some sort of clearance. 

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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2006, 02:15:31 AM »
Two years ago.

Came by the house then, did they?  Kicked the door right in, guns drawn?

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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2006, 02:44:46 AM »
Two years ago.

Came by the house then, did they?  Kicked the door right in, guns drawn?


No, it was a roadblock.


Driveing is a priveledge and not a right , If I am driving in a nonstandard way I can be stopped and loose my lisense , if I refuse to learn the standard way I am not going to get a lisense.

I think that standardiseing childrearing sounds like an interesting idea , lets install valves in everyones Vas Deferens that can't be turned to the "on" position untill the person has passed a battery of tests.

Eugenic concers would be addressed automaticly because no one insuffeciently smart would be reproduceing.

Right now reproduction seems to be reguarded as a right , but converting it to a priveledge is doable , China is kinda doing that.
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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2006, 06:41:05 AM »
Came by the house then, did they?  Kicked the door right in, guns drawn?

Last time I checked, adoptive parents weren't checked out in this way, either.
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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2006, 10:34:20 AM »
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Would you say that Paris Hilton would make a good mom?

If Paris has the right to abort, she should also have the right to deliver. It is her body and her choice. I don't see where the state can't have a compelling interest in one and not the other.


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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2006, 12:31:12 PM »

I think that standardiseing childrearing sounds like an interesting idea , lets install valves in everyones Vas Deferens that can't be turned to the "on" position untill the person has passed a battery of tests.

Eugenic concers would be addressed automaticly because no one insuffeciently smart would be reproduceing.

Right now reproduction seems to be reguarded as a right , but converting it to a priveledge is doable , China is kinda doing that.

Well, this is in no way what I'm advocating.

What am I advocating, barring a full-scale licensing law, is that schools have as part of their required curriculum for graduation for boys as well as girls is a class in basic care for a child that involves communication, hygeine and nutrition.  That can only benefit all of society.

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Re: Words I Never Thought I'd Say: Angelina Jolie Is Exactly Right
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2006, 07:05:39 PM »
hygeine and nutrition.

uhm.
the government can barely feed passable food to kids
keeping them clean is a tall order
It`s next to impossible for me to get my nephews to not wear dirty clothes.
any parent with a backyard should understand what I mean.
especially when they want to make there own swimming pool out of dirt and a waterhose