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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: kimba1 on January 18, 2008, 03:24:56 PM
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I just got my blood tesat and my cholesterol is 253
for some reason my doctor is bugging me for a meeting now.
anyway I`m trying to find a list of food that has good cholesterol.
I google it and i keep get articles how bad cholesterol is bad
I get it
I just want to know what foods to eat
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cheerios
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Isn't oatmeal supposed to be good as well?
I think a lot of it is avoiding the really bad foods too.
Maybe one of our medical folks can answer. I think that 253 is pretty high, but what were your levels of good and bad cholesterol?
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cmon
not one item
I need a list so i can at least be creative with the flavours.]
I tried to find out if chicken broth is safe but not getting anywhere.
I love soups but you can do much without broth unless you want it loaded with salt
I don`t know my levels
I misplaced the results
with me I`m pretty sure it`s not good
my bp is good though
I`m 163/122
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Anything with oats is good. And the less "prepared" the better.
For oatmeal, the "old fashioned" or "steel cut" varieties are best, followed by "quick" oats, and the "instant" oats are nearly worthless. The difference in cooking time between "old fashioned" and "quick" is like 2 minutes. "Steel cut" oats can be prepared overnight in a slow cooker (they take at least an hour to cook). I do a mix of steel cut oats, dried fruits (cranberries, strawberries, cherries, plums, etc), and milk with a bit of half&half in the slow cooker before I go to bed, and have a wonderful oatmeal breakfast waiting for me when I wake up.
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I`m 163/122
I'm surprised you're not dead.
I'm overweight and my BP isn't that bad.
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Oatmeal will lower your cholesterol for sure. So will walnuts. Check out WebMD. You want to lower your bad cholesterol and raise your good cholesterol.
Anything fried will raise it. Avoid fried everything. Chinese food is typically very loaded with cholesterol. Stick to the Yakamein soup, perhaps.
Substitute soy milk and cheese for dairy milk and cheese, eat chicken, turkey and fish instead of beef and pork.Olive oil is better than other oils.
Take 500 mgs. of Niacin every day. There are two kinds, the flush-free will avoid the hot flashes and weird buzz you get from the non-flush-free.
Statin drugs will help lower your bad cholesterol, as will Tricor, which is not a statin.
If you are not taking statins, grapefruit juice (check the label and make sure it's 100% grapefruit juice) will help. If you don't like the fact that it is sour, sweeten it with saccharine, Equal, or Splenda.
Don't drink grapefruit juice if you are taking statins.
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That sounds pretty good Ami.
163 over 122 is terrible Kimba. I think you must have gotten your numbers mixed up. I'm reasonably sure that a 122 diastolic means that you need to get to your GP quickly!
I think that eggs are supposed to be good for the good cholesterol as long as you don't overdo them. Also, avoid anything with high sodium and avoid real butter. There is a salt and butter substitute for people with high BP and high cholesterol.
Fish oil is supposed to help as well.
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Instead of eggs, eat egg beaters or other de-cholesteroled egg products.
Instead of salt, use garlic or Mrs Dash or Spike.
Avoid MSG and salt, as they raise blood pressure.
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I just got my blood tesat and my cholesterol is 253
for some reason my doctor is bugging me for a meeting now.
anyway I`m trying to find a list of food that has good cholesterol.
I google it and i keep get articles how bad cholesterol is bad
I get it
I just want to know what foods to eat
I had mine checked recently as well.
I cannot remember the numbers offhand, but the lady told me that my bad cholesterol was fairly close to the bad line, but was nothing to worry about, compared to what she had been seeing.
But the good news was that she was near verklempt at my good cholesterol reading, which was better than she had seen in months, if not years, running about the station and showing others my good score.
No mystery.
Olive oil.
Period.
Throw all your other oils out, and certainly any purchased at the super market.
You can keep canola oil, but I would seek out a health food store brand, as it is the cheapest and one of the best in terms of safe using.
Also, since you may, like myself, adore stir-fry, of course you will have to have a good peanut oil, which can get much hotter--most other oils will catch fire trying to match peanut oil. I would get the peanut oil from the Chinese market--knife brand is excellent.
Keep your containers sealed, and recap immediately after using, as it can get rancid, and when it is rancid, throw it out.
Also, simple lecithin capsules will help get rid of your junk food accumulation of gunk.
Another note: people in flea markets have used tools they sell, having a kind of metallic gray cast to them; these are tools retrieved from rust.
The secret? Peanut oil.
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That sounds pretty good Ami.
Here's the original recipe:
1 cup steel cut oats
1 cup dried cranberries
1 cup dried figs
4 cups water
1/2 cup half-and-half
In a slow cooker, combine all ingredients and set to low heat. Cover and let cook for 8 to 9 hours.
I reduce both the half&half and water and add milk, but I don't know the exact proportions (Up to *here* on my slow cooker... 8) ) - just experiment a bit. Going by the above recipe makes two large or 4 small servings, but it's pretty thick. I always end up adding more liquids to make it more creamy. Also, any dried fruits will work, I've used all kinds. Dried cherries are my favorite, but they're a bit pricey. The dried fruit you use will also affect how much liquid needs to be added, so again, experiment a bit. If it ends up too thin, you can nuke it in the microwave for a few minutes to thicken it, if it's too thick, stir in some milk.
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no
163 / 122 is pretty good for me
remember my bp started at 215/134
so I`m doing very well
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oh yeah rancid oil is a big problem for me
you see I don`t have much of a sense of smell
so I can`t tell if oil is bad or not
sometime I actually have to ask guest if the oil is bad
strangely every single time they say throw that $h!t out now.
they actually follow me to make sure I toss it.
I sometime got family checking my food to make sure it`s safe
crazy huh?
all my friends get serious when it`s about about cooking oil and me.
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Thanks Ami! I'm going to try that. I've always liked oatmeal anyway. Can you find steel cut oats anywhere?
Kimba - Wow. 215/134 is really bad. I'm glad it has come down, but it does seem like something you need to work on. I'm surprised that your doctor is not far more concerned with the BP than the cholesterol at this point. You should already be on a diet to lower your BP, which should help with cholesterol too.
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Thanks Ami! I'm going to try that. I've always liked oatmeal anyway. Can you find steel cut oats anywhere?
In many grocery stores. They're usually in the "organic foods" section rather than the "cereals" section.
Steel-cut oats are also known as coarse-cut oats, pinhead oats, Scotch oats, or Irish oats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel-cut_oats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel-cut_oats)
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Eat Fish.
A traditional Japaneese diet is great as long as you can bear it.
(http://www.bearslair.net/images/catchoftheday.jpg)
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I tend to use the one-minute oats, which I add some of those cranberry raisins to, 'Craisins' they call them.
I have never tried a steel-cut oat, but I doubt that there is any real reason why the one-minute oats are "worthless". Wikipedia does not seem to have any reasons for this. rolling an oat and making it easier to cook does not seem to me to make it automatically less nutritious. This is the first time I have ever heard this.
It is my observation that the fanatics of healthy food always favor the expensive, the rare, and the inconvenient over the cheap, the ordinary and the convenient. I suspect that this is akin to the belief that any medicine is beneficial, the worse it tastes is directly related to its benefit. And yet, many poisons taste truly vile.
Anything costing $20 a pound at Whole Foods is naturally better than something similar available everywhere for 49? a pound, for example. Being from Missouri, I disbelief this line of thought, and will require proof of said claims.
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my bp is good though
I`m 163/122
That's not good, that's a very high resting pressure (122). You need to get that under 90.
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I bake fish in olive oil, with garlic and dill weed, which brings out the flavor. Catfish, tilapia, kingfish and other cheap fish taste great this way. About 400?F for 15-20 minutes in the toaster oven seems to result in a tasty fish.
Catfish sometimes has a sort of fat on it that it is best to scrape off before cooking. I prefer tilapia and kingfish, anyway.
Chopped green onions and green peppers go well cooked with this.
Raw fish is not bad in sushi and sashimi, but entirely raw fish, I will leave to Smeagol (Gollum). Not a favorite with me.
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Eat Fish.
A traditional Japaneese diet is great as long as you can bear it.
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The Japanese pretty much outlive everyone, statistically.
Vegetarians (like the Seventh Day Adventists) seem to outlive meat eaters.
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that`s probly why my doc is trying to talk to me
I`m trying to arrainge something for that.
but i agree just because it`s less nutritios doesn`t mean you shouldn`t eat it
i don`t like eating raw vegetables
folks tell me not to cook them
but since I started at a near pure meat diet
shouldn`t people be happy i eat any vegetables at all.
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just did it
it`s now 133/80
but then I just eat,that always lowers my bp
food can be calming
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I have never tried a steel-cut oat, but I doubt that there is any real reason why the one-minute oats are "worthless". Wikipedia does not seem to have any reasons for this. rolling an oat and making it easier to cook does not seem to me to make it automatically less nutritious. This is the first time I have ever heard this.
Steel cut oats are not much more in price than rolled oats, when you adjust for the "final" volume - like rice, steel cut oats absorb a lot of liquid, so a small amount makes the same final product as more than double the amount of rolled oats. And the "old fashioned" oats are about the same price as the "instant" oats, but they're cooked less. The rolled oats are steam cooked, rolled, steam cooked again, then toasted. Each of the steam cooking sessions removes some of the nutrients, and the toasting removes some of the essential oils. These processes are done to increase storage times for the final product. The total cooking time (before packaging) in order of least to most are "old fashioned", "quick", and "instant". Since the more cooking that is done before packaging leads to the least nutritious final product, the "instant" oats have a lower nutritional value than the "old fashioned." Total cooking time at home for all these products is similar (within a few minutes) and the cost is nearly the same. The difference is mostly in shelf life - the instant takes years to become inedible, while the old fashioned variety lasts only a few months to a year. It takes about 5 minutes from box to table for the old fashioned, and about 3 minutes or so for each of the others (the one minute quoted from the package assumes the water is boiling already).
Steel cut oats, on the other hand, are whole grains. The husk is removed, and the "groat" is cut up, but no other processing is done. Therefore, they are the most nutritious of the lot. But being totally unprocessed, the cooking time is significantly longer. In my opinion, they are also the tastiest of the bunch. I usually eat the "old fashioned" variety, and occasionally on the weekends I'll set up the slow cooker on Friday night for a Saturday breakfast of "pinhead" oats. Sunday breakfast is usually omelets.
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Some veggies are harder to get down than others. One can get rather bored with celery, and if you fill the stalk with peanut butter, you have made it fattening. Lettuce is pretty much flavorless.
Coliflower and broccoli are rather tasty with some spices on them, as are shaved carrots. Of all the national foods, the Thai diet seems to be the least fattening: Tom Yum soup, chicken satay, Pad Thai. Pretty low in calories and quite tasty, in my opinion.
You can make some really good pea soup if you run frozen peas thru the blender with a bit of olive oil and spices. Dried pea soup is fairly good as well. You could flavor it with soy bacon or perhaps turkey pastrami.
Gazpacho can be excellent if you use tomato sauce or paste, which have a better flavor than Osterized tomatoes. There are lots of gazpacho recipes on the Internet.
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Check out Web MD ( www.webmd.com ). You can do a search on cholesterol there (as well as pretty much anything medical) and it will point you to articles with tons of information in them. Search good cholesterol diet, and I'm sure something will come up. Probably even get some recipes.
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Lettuce is pretty much flavorless.
*Iceberg* lettuce is flavorless. Other varieties have flavor. Romaine, for example.
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Isn't oatmeal supposed to be good as well?
I think a lot of it is avoiding the really bad foods too.
Maybe one of our medical folks can answer. I think that 253 is pretty high, but what were your levels of good and bad cholesterol?
Oatmeal. That's what I heard.
Good for Cholesterol.
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oatmeal just don`t do it for me
I like carrots, but too much can get toxic
I `ll got see if some dried mushrrom can help with flavoring other stuff
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I have heard that too many carrots will turn you orange, and can also have you seeing things in an orangish sort of way. I may eat a pound a week, and have never had this problem.
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oh yeah rancid oil is a big problem for me
you see I don`t have much of a sense of smell
so I can`t tell if oil is bad or not
sometime I actually have to ask guest if the oil is bad
strangely every single time they say throw that $h!t out now.
they actually follow me to make sure I toss it.
I sometime got family checking my food to make sure it`s safe
crazy huh?
all my friends get serious when it`s about about cooking oil and me.
Your sense of smell may well improve once you have degunked your system.
Chinese medicine calls it 'tan' which loosely translates as phlegm.
Westerners recognize phlegm, but not the other kinds of phlegm build-up, such as 'invisible phlegm surrounding the heart' which is metaphor for cholesterol building to cause coronary, but is not exactly the same thing either.
If you have a stuffy nose, have trouble sleeping (both falling and staying, but more staying) and see improvement if you do not eat after 6pm, you should go to the Chinese market and seek out chen pi, which is the rine of citriis, technically tangerine. About $3 a pound. If you are a purist, remember that it is better the older it is.
Grind the rine or powder it in a coffee mill, and cap if you want. Otherwise, make a tea. I won't even suggest your chewing it.
It should vastly improve the gut-instigating phlegm.
It will cause you to cough up goobers, which is of course good.
It will make make you lose weight.
It will provide for centering, quicken your reflexes, and sharpen all sensory gathering processes. Like sage, it clarifies.
It will instill that jolt of jing you used to get when you encountered a new meadow, fresh with vibrant life, inspiring you to breathe deep, and want to sing.
Not bad for an orange peel.
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Kimba
Scotch oats are good, they're available in Kroger's grocery stores.
I knew a nurse whose skin turned golden orange because she ate so many carrots. Other than that she was really healthy.
I know you say your BP is good, for you. But vessel walls can only take so much pressure. How come the doc didn't put you on BP med? I got put on that. Also on Crestor, a cholesterol lowering med.
Also...have you had thyroid tests recently?
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=56500
This article gives the "new normal" BP ranges.
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The new recommendations also call for wider use of diuretics ("water pills") for people with high blood pressure -- blood pressure levels above 140/90 mm Hg. They also recommend combination treatment using more than one blood pressure drug for people with severe high blood pressure -- blood pressure of 160/100 or higher.
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i am on meds since they found out about the 215/134
I camein about my foot and all they keep clamouring about is my bp.
my last visit require a full blood workup to see if I got diabeties.
I`m clear ,but other stuff showed up.
good thing i didn`t mention the blood virus problem i have
I never hear the end of it.
I`m on lisinopril/hctz
really bad side effects
but i can take it
people think i got sars
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Not bad for an orange peel.
So, basically, you're saying more vitamin C.
Linus Pauling advocated "mega doses" of vitamin C as well.