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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BT on November 07, 2011, 08:42:35 PM
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For continuing to post insults of the type he has been warned against.
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I am unhappy about this , but I too was getting irritated.
There has to be a floor somewhere.
Kramer, come back, when you can, with your best, not your worst.
I believe you have something to say, and I think it would be read for understanding if you were phraseing it more as exposition than excrement.
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I have been asked by parties involved in this dispute to post the following:
Dear CU,
Ask the coward BT why he allows BSB to call me a NIGGER (see below) and after he does I say I have a leg up on you to him and BT suspends me for a week and nothing happens to BSB for calling me a nigger. (Kramer)
BSB
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Re: Cain on Foreign Policy
Reply #169 on: November 06, 2011, 10:21:57 PM ?
Stuck along the side of the road, Nigger WeWe, and Blowhard, try to unstick their agenda filled wooden carts as the days events speed past them.
BSB
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I wondered who he ment by that.
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So does BSB join Kramer in the penalty box?
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I'm against all penalties, but I think Kramer had ample provocation. So it seems to be that rather than penalize both of them, Kramer should be relieved of a penalty he did not deserve. But if the penalty is not taken off of Kramer, then BSB should have the same or longer penalty, since he provoked the whole thing with his WeeWee the Nigger insult.
I say fuck it, we are all adults and anyone who can't stand the heat can just get out of the kitchen. This whole "penalty" thing for speaking one's mind really turns me off. It's fascist and paternalistic.
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I'm against all penalties, ...........
I never liked penaltys either.
How elese do we establish a floor ?
Unlike usually, I am open to suggestions.
(bearing in mind my vote counts no more than yours)
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<<How elese do we establish a floor ?>>
That was my whole point. There isn't a floor. It's as low as any member wants to go and if he goes too low, someone else can tell him off or he can suffer the collective scorn of the group.
I notice that you didn't hesitate to tell Kramer off when you felt he'd gone too far. I didn't, because (a) I felt he'd had ample provocation to justify his remark and (b) it wasn't my place to tell Kramer off for expressing his annoyance the way he did. I just told off someone else, though, for gratuitously insulting John Edwards' child. The penalties for breach of standards is the reproof of anyone who feels that a standard has been breached.
I'm against all penalties imposed from the top down.
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i guess I'm not much help
because I think there should be a "floor"
some basic level of decency
i really don't understand what went on with BSB and Kramer...so no comment
but i do think there is a level of human decency BT should enforce
I mean do we really think there is no limit?
If someone gets really angry & calls Henny the "C" word....BT should not act?
Come on....that would be insane
I think BT does a pretty good job....letting us "play"
but personally I like that he would stop "over the top" behavior
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The word nigger has been part of the American-english langue for over a hundred years. It has been used by writers such as Mark Twain, it's been used as an insult by whites, its been used in everyday communication between blacks in this country. It has a multitude of meanings. Kramer is white and a bigot in my opinion. To call Kramer, who has all the credentials except for being black that the word was used for as an insult makes my use of it rich with irony. On the other hand his insults have been aimed at a physical disability that is very real. That's not irony, that's a cheap shot, and he has been doing it for over 5 years with zero repercussions from anyone.
So, you want to give me a week off from posting, if that's how you see it, fine, I could give a fuck less.
BSB
P.S. Look at Blowhard stickng his nose in this, what a creep.
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I'm against all penalties imposed from the top down.
I don't know whether we ever established a democracy or not.
But suppose we voted on all rules, and the result was pretty strict, would you allow for this?
Democracy does not ensure fairness to individuals.
There seems to be a consensus we need to form and I don't know how to get there from here.
Of course the default is that the owner of the football calls the game over when he needs to go home with it.
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i vote for keeping things how they are
i trust BT will continue making decisions as he sees fit
and if people dont agree with those rulings/decisions
he has shown he will listen and reconsider his rulings
isnt that all we can ask?
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The word nigger has been.................................... BSB
The word nigger has become taboo, this need not be rational, just is true.
I am not personally worried about this.
It isn't as important an issue as what we shall do when this sort of conflict inevitably happens.
I respect you BsB and I enjoy your better posts , I selfishly want you around.
Forget that if this is really causeing you harm. I don't need your posting so bad that it is worthy against the cost of your peace of mind.
If there is no floor, there must be a lot of thick skin.
If there is a floor , there must be an umpire calling the strike zone.
On this spectrum where do you think we should make our goal?
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Kramer is one of the most annoying creeps that I have ever had the misfortune to know.
Still, I am ideologically against censorship, but there is a difference between saying that someone has shitty idea and saying that they are a shit.
I do not understand BSB. He seems to have some sort of chip on his shoulder most of the time. The Wee Wee Nigger bit was not funny or ironic to me, it was just dumb.
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I totally missed out what caused this but I`m not allow to stop anything that encouraged civility. in one thread I tried to steer folks that direction with no results.
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1-If you don't know where the floor is Plane, automatically, you're in trouble.
2-The word nigger carries the weight and meaning people bring to it, nothing more, nothing less. The fastest way to give it power way beyond its actual worth is to make it taboo.
BSB
BTW, for those of you who don't know, I'm an amputee from wounds I recieved in Vietnam. What this is all about is that Kramer has been hurling cheap shots about that fact at me for years. Loooooooooong before I ever called him nigger.
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I agree that Kramer has overstepped the line in insulting you, BSB. He enjoys annoying other people with some sort of perverse sadistic glee that I do not understand.
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The word nigger has become taboo, this need not be rational, just is true.
Nope, just watch blacks call each other that all day long, but let a white even whisper it and all hell breaks loose. It's a bullshit taboo selectively enforced.
Now for my two cents worth - BSB's disabilty has been known by most in here for years. I've disagreed with him from time to time but never seen any reason to bring it up in any way to try and use it against him, nor have I seen anyone else but Kramer. I'm part Native American, and no one but Kramer tries to use it to insult me and get a rise out of me. That's why I generally ignore the stupid son of a bitch. He's not worth the effort far as I'm concerned. If the stupid ass was on fire in the middle of the street, I wouldn't piss on him to put him out. The only thing I will say is look around at the small group you have left that still regularly post here, and at the numbers who have already left over crap like this. You want fresh members and fresh ideas? Make it a friendlier place.
'Nuff said.
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<<I don't know whether we ever established a democracy or not.>>
I think not. If you recall, BT called me out on spelling "America" with three k's. He didn't order me not to, just suggested but I got the message. I tried to argue with BT but he was firm. The message I took away from this was that there's a lot of freedom in this group (even the freedom to threaten my life, apparently) but there are lines that can't be crossed, and that BT is the arbiter of those lines. I didn't like it, but them's the house rules and not a God-damned thing that I can do about it.
<<But suppose we voted on all rules, and the result was pretty strict, would you allow for this?
<< Democracy does not ensure fairness to individuals.>>
Democracy doesn't but the Constitution does. You posed a hypothetical situation there but the answer is the same regardless of whether the rules are made by a vote or by BT. Everyone here has his own standard of what he'll put up with and what he won't. I am not comfortable with any kind of restriction, top-down or democratic. I post as long as I'm comfortable in the group and enjoy posting, and I stop when I'm not comfortable in the group and no longer enjoy posting. In general, I found the "rules" of this forum to be pretty relaxed.
<<There seems to be a consensus we need to form and I don't know how to get there from here.>>
Well it seems to be working fairly well except for the Kramer suspension, which I regard as an injustice. Shoulda been two-way or not at all, and of course I much prefer "not at all."
<<Of course the default is that the owner of the football calls the game over when he needs to go home with it.>>
I'd sure as hell get a lot more work done that way.
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The only thing I will say is look around at the small group you have left that still regularly post here, and at the numbers who have already left over crap like this. You want fresh members and fresh ideas? Make it a friendlier place.
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That is very hard to disagree with.
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Just found this in my spam box
The following post, "Re: Cain on Foreign Policy" by Plane has been reported by BSB on a board you moderate:
The topic: http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=16095.msg133777#msg133777 (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=16095.msg133777#msg133777)
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BT That was his 2nd shot at my amptitation in 2 days. From now on I see these as coming from you because you haven't done shit about it. Let me start b saying fuckyou BT you're an asshole BSB
Regards,
The DebateGate Team.
For the record it was the third time. The first two were erased and a warning was given to Kramer.
http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=16095.msg133739#msg133739 (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=16095.msg133739#msg133739)
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I find Kramer interesting, passionate about what he believes, and playing a significant role in starting discussions. He's a good guy, but doesnt play well with bullies.
Kramer may not be as subtle and have the patience to respond back to demeaning, insulting remarks about his views from some "bomb-throwers" in this forum so he punches back sometimes in a manner that may should be disguised better. There is no doubt the one's that piss him off into throwing his insults are simply better skilled at "cutting you to the bone" with insults in a more skilled hidden way. They throw the same bombs, but do it in a "legal" way. I would advise Kramer that when XO, BSB, or Tee piss him off with their insulting but I suppose more civil way, just take a deep breath and beat them at their own game. Be nice conversationally, but disembowel them with truth....because it's more rewards watching them squirm and cry foul.
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Kramer does not have the truth, and he is too lazy to find out about anything. He just parrots whatever crap he scrapes off his shoes after he traipses through Fox, Rush and others. Mostly, his goal here appears to build himself up by putting others down. Apparently his posting here is some form of primitive self-psychotherapy for a major inferiority complex.
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BTW, for those of you who don't know, I'm an amputee from wounds I recieved in Vietnam. What this is all about is that Kramer has been hurling cheap shots about that fact at me for years.
If you don't want people to comment, then don't post personal information about yourself on the internet. How stupid is it to tell strangers personal information about yourself?
People can say whatever they want to about themself on the internet, and it doesn't make it true either. I could say that I am Hulk Hogan, but it doesn't make it true.
I find the use of the N word to be much more offensive than poking fun at somebody's alledged medical malady that cannot be confirmed.
I'm not even sure why you are still posting here. The N word just isn't acceptable to say, anywhere.
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<<They throw the same bombs, but do it in a "legal" way. I would advise Kramer that when XO, BSB, or Tee piss him off with their insulting but I suppose more civil way, just take a deep breath and beat them at their own game.>>
The other two can speak for themselves if they want to bother, but I don't insult anybody in this forum unless they insult me first. I'm not aware, in particular, of having recently insulted Kramer in a "more civil" or any other way and I'm not aware of him insulting me either. I will sometimes refer to an idea as lame, pathetic, crap, nonsense, idiotic or moronic, but I hope it's understood that is the idea that I am referring to and not the person who is expressing it.
I am sorry to learn that CU4 regards me as "insulting" even in a civil way, because that is not my intention and hasn't been for quite a while now. May I suggest that if any member feels that he has been unjustly insulted, that the matter be simply raised at the first available opportunity, so that it can be resolved then and there. I think we'd all benefit if people spoke their minds on these matters, and spoke them early, rather than letting resentments fester under the surface.
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<<They throw the same bombs, but do it in a "legal" way. I would advise Kramer that when XO, BSB, or Tee piss him off with their insulting but I suppose more civil way, just take a deep breath and beat them at their own game.>>
The other two can speak for themselves if they want to bother, but I don't insult anybody in this forum unless they insult me first.
(correction)
To Tee's credit, he doesn't. He will make a rather reasonable attempt at addressing the issue/post, and focus his insults & racist comments on conservatives and Republicans within the article/post.
Xo, OTOH, is his SOP. Anyone can go look back at thread after thread after thread, and his frequent 1st response as an insult bomb, based on the person who posted it vs responding in any substantive and mature way to the post itself
Now, consider that speaking my mind, so as to hopefully steer others, including myself, into a more civil direction.
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Uh, that wasn't XO's post you were responding to, sirs, it was mine.
Michael Tee
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Correction taken, and as you'll note, it agrees with your original claim
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Thank you. Hopefully we can all benefit from the exercise of more civility.
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This has become a very revealing thread. Frighteningly so.
BSB
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What exactly has this thread revealed to you and what is so "frightening" about it?
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I see nothing frightening about it, either. It is not even scary.
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I am hoping for a more creative, not to say bizarre, answer from our friend.
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And the undressing continues.
BSB
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Scary, huh?
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It is. I always find the amount and level of stupidity you find out there among the population at large to be scary.
BSB
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Undressing?
What are you talking about?
What is frightening? Doing without Kramer for a week?
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To Tee's credit, he doesn't. He will make a rather reasonable attempt at addressing the issue/post, and focus his insults & racist comments on conservatives and Republicans within the article/post.
SIRS....but thats excatly my point.
Tee, XO, ect...can cut ya to the bone without getting "in trouble"
Don't get me wrong...I like Tee....I find XO entertaining.
Kramer just needs to get more skilled at "knocking the shit outta somebody politely"
When Tee says things like "those fucking conservative assholes"or "those fucking racist Republicans"....
He knows, I know, You Know, We all know...Tee is calling me, you a "fucking racist Asshole"!
But Tee disguises it nicely...he's skilled at slicing and dicing ya to da bone...dats cool
All I am saying is Kramer needs to do that too....if he wants to stay outta trouble.
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Indeed...he's far better at it, then Xo
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Look, this is fucking simple, there's nothing complicated about it. For years Kramer has been taking shots at me for missing a limb. Calling him a nigger had nothing to do with it. It has been going on for at least 6 or 7 years. All this fudging about Kramers not smooth enough or that my wounds are only alligations is a load of crap.
BSB
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All this fudging about Kramers not smooth enough or that my wounds are only
alligations is a load of crap. BSB
Kramer isn't alone in throwing bombs....
Hell...BSB you dish out your share of insults, name-calling, barbs & crap too.
In fact havent you been kicked outta here or suspended multiple times?
We are all very opinionated...thats why we are here.
But Kramer really shouldn't make fun of whatever disability you have....
especially if you suffered a disability serving your country.
Maybe deep down he doesn't believe you or the story..
But I would advise him giving you the benefit of the doubt about it.
Kramer needs to punch back hard....just be smarter about it.
When I played football I like to make guys hurt...ya know sore the next day
but I always did it within the rules....ya gotta play within the rules
otherwise ya may not get to play
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When I played football I like to make guys hurt...ya know sore the next day
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If there is an American character flaw, it lies behind this attitude.
It is just a game. People play games to amuse themselves.
But we have to make them HURT to do it well.
Now you know why I don't watch stupid ball games.
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Now you know why I don't watch stupid ball games.
I already knew...because you don't "get it"
But I have found you don't get a lot of things
but thats not to say you aren't bright in other areas
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Ah huh, Kramer's been taking the shots at me because he doesn't believe it. What a load of crap. There were pictures of me in Vietnam in the old group. My wounds and what I get for them from the VA are a matter of puplic record. I enjoy an income tax free status at the moment here in Mass due to my wounds and that's a matter of public record. I enjoy a realestate tax brake specificly for a loss of a limb due to War. Again that is in the public record.
The bullshit on this thread is amazing.
BSB
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I already knew...because you don't "get it"
When I was in the ninth grade, I had this competitive spirit and all that folderol. I even had "school spirit" and went out for the team. I don't have a lot of coordination for catching and hitting balls, so it was frustrating and I quit playing and limited myself to watching my friends play. I have always focused my attention on what I was best at. I became an Eagle Scout, I rebuilt a wrecked MG and a wrecked Jaguar 120, I played folksongs on the guitar and got a second prize in the science fair. Nothing that would give me a concussion or a broken limb.
When I graduated, my friends weren't playing, and I had no reason to get excited about unknown jocks playing with balls. I could not bring myself to care. I have hated bullies all my life and have no desire to hurt anyone. I think that the desire to hurt others is a trait that American have in overabundance: "Teach 'em a lesson".
Here in Miami. other drivers want to punish other drivers with their horns. It serves no earthly purpose, no one is going to run a light for fear that some a-hole will honk at them. Life is too short for that sort of infantile crap.
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>>If there is an American character flaw.....................................................................we have to make them HURT to do it well.<<
It has nothing to do with America and everything to do with mankind in general. There are rough games played all over the world. Ever been to an international Rugby match? Ever watched Australian football? Been to the running of the bulls in Spain? Been to a bull fight? Seen hundreds of people trample each other at a soccer game? Seen Thai kick boxing?
BSB
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It is also a potential human character flaw, but it is suppressed, or people outgrow it, in many cultures.
There was a time when it was needed for survival, of course.
It does not seem to be a part of the Tao or many varieties of Buddhism. Boy Scouts are taught not to harm others.
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Perfection is the worst enemy of good.
Improvement is great, zero tolerance isn't improvement.
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When I was in the ninth grade, I had this competitive spirit and all that folderol. When I graduated, my friends weren't playing, and I had no reason to get excited about unknown jocks playing with balls. I could not bring myself to care.
Great for you.....but why the need to throw the "put downs" towards
the millions of people that do enjoy watching competitive sports?
Why cant you just say "umm not for me". You often throw barbs
if you dont enjoy something or if you dont buy certain products.
What causes that kind of insecurity? I dont find ice hockey enjoyable
but I certainly wouldnt feel the need to tell people that enjoyed hockey
"ahh what a stupid sport".
I have hated bullies all my life
So have I....and I have always enjoyed counterpunching with them.
I sometimes stood up to the bully for some that couldn't.
Most of the time....just vocally.
"Hey dude why ya picking on Matt just because he is really short & has funny ears...are you perfect?"
and no desire to hurt anyone
If what you are claiming is true....then why do you do it?
There are many ways to "hurt" people.
You often throw out demeaning insults/comments about stuff that others treasure.
You purposely irritate people by slamming something they love.
I think that the desire to hurt others is a trait that American have in overabundance:
"Teach 'em a lesson".
Speaking of traits....I think America Bashing is an auto-response trait of yours.
But if it is an "American Trait" I guess it's a lot of other places trait too.
There's been wars for centuries before the US every existed.
Hockey a sport full of blood and fighting started elsewhere.
World Cup Soccer hardly an American founding is full of violent fans not from the US.
Boxing, wrestling, and rugby hardy began in America.
Honking horns is pretty tame in the US compared to many countries.
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I hardly think saying that my opinion is that football is dangerous and dumb actually hurts anyone to any degree.
If you like to watch it or to play it, go ahead, have fun. Knock, as they say, yourself out. I hardly think that my comments are likely to ruin whatever jollies you get from playing or watching sports.
My uncle got a football scholarship in thew 1930's to play football at Marysville State College. He hurt his knee so bad in training before playing in any game that he lost his scholarship and had to drop out. Apparently, he inherited a bad knee, and injured it so bad that he walked with a limp for the rest of his life. He was never able to run again.
Strangely, he encouraged his grandson to play football, even though the kid was 5'7". My uncle by that time was easily a millionaire. He made a bunch of money in real estate in Tarzana, CA. But he encouraged his grandson to play to get a scholarship. The kid wrecked his knee (which I guess he inherited from his grandfather) and will now walk with a limp for the rest of his life, unless I suppose he gets a metal replacement. The grandson decided to study sports medicine, so I suppose that it may have worked itself out in that rather bizarre way. When my uncle died, he left his money to his daughters's families, and the kid can afford to go to any college he wants. It would have not affected my uncle one bit had he just paid for the kid's tuition at the U of Oregon rather than get him all gung ho about an athletic scholarship.
It is my uncle's and his grandson's business what they do, and I never mentioned this to either of them, but it seemed very illogical what happened.
I was only criticizing the desire, expressed by CU4 that he got pleasure from knowing he hurt someone. I simply offer the opinion that this is sick, and far too prevalent an attitude in this country. Hockey and Boxing are perhaps worse,and I am sure that there are other sports where young men are injured for life.
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don`t know about football but I greatly encourage everyone to go into sports of any kind that involves a team. I did in college and it helped me alot in taking alot of punishment and in a business enviroment I`m more likely to stop inhouse fighting. I tend to encourage a team enviroment in my jobs. sadly that also causes me to be promoted alot
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Rough play is in our genes. Kids, usually boys, love to play rough. All sorts of young mammals like to play rough with each other. We grow very slowly compared to the other mammals and have the brains, imaginations, etc., to come up with and play all these games before we have to get down to business. A bear cub is off on his own at what, 2? And the next time he plays around with another bear it may be to kill it.
Having said that, yes, some of these games are more dangerous than we thought. As time goes on many of those games will be modified or stopped. I would say football is in trouble. Boxing should have been stopped years ago. Some other lesser known sports, at least lesser known here, are famously dangerous. European downhill races are insane. They water the course down the night before to ice it and hit speeds during the race of up to 100 mph. Ha ha, they're bleeping nuts. But if you ever get the chance to see one in person, see it, you won't believe your eyes.
BSB
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not sure it`s wise to take the danger out of sports. it sounds insane,but I believe there some kind of need for it. I can forgive 14 year olds from getting hurt from shopping cart races, but not 22 year old . but that still happens.
ex. jack-ass tv shows. these sports maybe the only viable release valve to cut down on these acts.
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Having said that, yes, some of these games are more dangerous than we thought. As time goes on many of those games will be modified or stopped. I would say football is in trouble. Boxing should have been stopped years ago. BSB
Football is in trouble?......How so?
Football at all levels is bigger now than any time in history.
Boxing has not only not been stopped...(nor should it be)
it has morphed into something that is wildly popular...
called "ultimate fighting" which in my opinion is even more violent than boxing.
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the one sport that is in trouble is basketball,i might be wrong but even the fans are somewhat disapointed how the games got cancelled for the season.
one or the more harsh facts of these sports is it`s people watching millionaires play a game so it`s hard to get support for pay dispute
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the one sport that is in trouble is basketball,i might be wrong but even the fans are somewhat disapointed how the games got cancelled for the season.
Interest in baseball is waning as well.
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Indeed. I'm one of the biggest baseball fans, but outside of those organizations of Yankess & Bosox, attendence is WAY down. Even at venues like Dodgers' & Angels' stadiums, though its completelyunderstandible while Dodgers attendence is down
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Consider it from a statistical point of view. At any given moment, half of all teams are losers. By the end of the season, all are losers but one team. Of course, if life is a victory, we all are losers, because in the end, we are all dead.
So seeing things from a competitive viewpoint is basically an exercise for losers. It is what happens before the inevitable loss that we must consider to be the important part.
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Of course, if life is a victory, we all are losers, because in the end, we are all dead.
speak for yourself
i firmly believe in life after death
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ditto
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I am not talking about what people BELIEVE. There may be live after death, in Heaven or reincarnation. But no one actually comes back from the dead (other than what was written 75 years after Jesus died, at least).
You are free to believe that you will get your body back, ascend to heaven, live forever, singing in the Choir Celestial for all eternity, and that you will, really, really enjoy it. If you assume that it all happens as mentioned in Revelation, one of the most famous nutty things ever written, until you are dead and Jesus returns after an unspecified time, you won't know.
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Well, of course boxing should be banned. Whatever municipality is involved has to license the event. We don't license dog fights, or cock fights, and it won't be long, a few decades or less, before we stop licensing boxing matches.
Football is in trouble because as we learn more and more about the brain we realize the danger of the effects the kinds of blows the brain takes during contests like football. How that is countered is being considered right now. Pro football has move in the direction of increasing penalties for shots to the head. Helmets, and other equipment changes, are ongoing. In years to come we may decide that the game will have to be altered too drastically to save it in any form resembling how it is now played. I hope not. I loved football. I liked the combination of working as a team, and the individual effort it allows for. Great sport, but it's in trouble.
Life after death? Ha, ha, I mean look at the words. Life after death. I'm sorry but there isn't a dollop of >REAL< evidence to indicate that death is anything but the end.
You know, the older I get the more I realize how unrealistic people are. And not only that, but how poorly that impacts on the quality of our lives. I see it over and over again with friends of mine. I have friends, my age, who haven't prepared for the hurtles that aging presents. I point this out to them and they just continue along ignoring life's realities. It's a shame. I have a friend that I dated over 40 years ago. She lost her husband a few years ago and we ran into each other 6-8 months ago. But our relationship, which could have been very beneficial to the both of us, has been ruined by her inability to look herself in the eye. She just can't do it.
BSB
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Does she realy need to look herself in the eye , or do you need her to?
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Who wasn't looking themselves in the eye plane, you, your wife, or both of you? Or haven't you looked yourself in the eye long enough and hard enough to figure that out?
BSB
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Why are we asking each other questions as if they might be answered with answers when we know more questions are more likly?
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You wanted more information from me without paying for it. It's a two street.
BSB
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So are questions still cheap?
Only answers are expensive?
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I have friends, my age, who haven't prepared for the hurtles that aging presents. I point this out to them and they just continue along ignoring life's realities. It's a shame. I have a friend that I dated over 40 years ago. She lost her husband a few years ago and we ran into each other 6-8 months ago. But our relationship, which could have been very beneficial to the both of us, has been ruined by her inability to look herself in the eye. She just can't do it. BSB
BSB what does this mean?...............can you elaborate?
"haven't prepared for the hurtles that aging presents"?
"ruined by her inability to look herself in the eye"?
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Plane, can we end Kramer's suspension now? The person he made a joke about is seemingly fine. He doesn't look affected by the joke. He is starting a lot of threads and is involved in a lot of discussions. Kramer has been publicly shamed. This thread has a lot of views. Everybody here knows what happened. BSB suffered no consequences for using the N word. Let's bring The Kramer back!
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As far as I am concerned your opinion is just as valuable as mine.
Just that I was irritated with K didn't get him penalty box time.
Kramers opinion has a value too.
Do we or don't we want an Umpire ?
Is there a consensus to reach?
I think we have already lost some members that just didn't like the incivility.
Civility is considered optional?
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I would like to see Kramer's take on last night's debate or on Cain's great speech. I think umpiring was done and the point was made. Three days is enough, isn't it? I was offended by the use of the N word, but I just have to live with it.
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<<Do we or don't we want an Umpire ?>>
Umpiring is a tough job. The wrong call was made on Kramer, that's for sure. He was amply provoked but then BSB says that the provocation was provoked. Where does it end? Why should the umpire or anyone else get involved in what is essentially two members' quarrel? King Solomon probably couldn't get to the bottom of it. We're all adults here, and the maxim "If you can't stand the heat . . . " should apply.
<<Is there a consensus to reach?>>
Well, God knows, you've tried. If anyone can make a table in this format, I suggest anyone who wants to try to get a consensus just post a table with a row for each active posting member and a box in the row for suggestions on the need for an umpire. IMHO the Ump's latest call on Kramer is a good indication of why we DON'T need an Ump.
<<I think we have already lost some members that just didn't like the incivility.>>
Fuck 'em if they can't stand the heat.
<< Civility is considered optional? >>
Civility should be an ideal we all strive for, but since we're only human, some of us more so than others . . .
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Kramer is a nasty creep. He offers nothing but insults and nonsense.
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As Sirs might say, Oh the irony.
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<<I think we have already lost some members that just didn't like the incivility.>>
Fuck 'em if they can't stand the heat.
Look back to the members we had a few years ago, then look at the dozen or so regular members you have now. I'd bet it's just this attitude that has cost so many members over the years. But that's okay, if you want to limit it to a dozen or so members sitting around hurling personal insuts at each other rather than civilly discussing the issues, well, it's your forum. Or BT's. Long as he's happy with it...
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actually in the past we had a separate forum for folks to act uncivil but people can`t resist coming back here to start a fight. remember hoot?
I more think we`re a reflection of what`s out there. the parties are more polarized than ever before and we here have acted accordingly. I remember kramer saying in the past liberal has good intentions. tee gAVE BUSH JR. CREDIT.