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Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
« on: October 30, 2008, 12:27:23 AM »
Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer Calvin Woodward, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 8 mins ago

WASHINGTON ? Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.

Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are ? beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:

THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

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THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.

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THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years ? and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."

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THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

THE FACTS: His proposals ? the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more ? cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged ? although not in his commercial ? that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_el_ge/fact_check_obama_ad/print;_ylt=Aibna8q6U8aioa6WLaxOkjZh24cA

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Re: Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2008, 01:18:09 AM »
While I think that Obama is doing his best to win over Americans...finding success in the process, there's something about tonight's ad that didn't set well with me.

Was is "overkill"?
Was is a bit desperate? Perhaps. Ok, so based on my own "intuitive insight".....I reacted to his need to throw a Hail Mary  pitch.....which was a bit much.

He told us what he wanted us to hear----and yet, BT....you are right. Where's the damn "beef" ?
I witnessed a desperation in his desire to influence the American public at the 11th hour.

I'm sorry, but the frog in the boiling water still rings truth for me in the case of Obama's charming way.


If I am proven wrong...then, heck, it's a win/win scenario in the end. But there's something to be said for a slow burn. That froggie in the pot isn't so far fetched as it sounds. Socialism is not here yet...(or is it?)...but just wait.
By damn the very document that pronounces an overthrow---a marxist state----is documented/written to warn cultures of what is desired. The lipstick on the pig is nothing compared to the eventuality of a communist state. I find Micky's rant to be evidence of such a desperate need to "overthrow". Listen to his words...listen very carefully. I read nothing that holds water in terms of working together for the "other" individual. Instead, I read that his desire is to rip the very essence of the Constitution in this country---to shreds. 

We had better hold  higher "standards" with regard to the candidates we elect---when it comes voting for a leader of the free world; the most powerful nation on this planet? we had better pay closer attention than an advertisement/mud-slinging thrust of junk.

« Last Edit: October 30, 2008, 01:33:31 AM by Cindy »

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Re: Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2008, 01:28:22 AM »
Does anyone really expect him to deliver even half of his promises?

Are expectations for his presidency high or low?

How long can he blame his problems on the previous administration?

As minority party , how much can Republicans and independants prevent the implementation of seriously objectionable programs?

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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2008, 02:31:25 PM »
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Does anyone really expect him to deliver even half of his promises?

No, and Obama doesn't expect that he will, either.

From BT's post: Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged - although not in his commercial - that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."


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Re: Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2008, 02:40:33 PM »
Ummmm.......what happened to the rhetoric that everyone making under $250,000 would receive a tax cut?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2008, 02:49:26 PM »
I think that's in the file marked "Stuff to say so people will like me."

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Re: Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2008, 02:59:48 PM »
Has it come down to $75,000 yet?  Or does that not occur until Feb?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2008, 04:44:49 PM »
It all comes down to trustworthiness.

Whether it is tax cuts or relationships with radicals, where does the truth end and the fiction begin?


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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2008, 11:45:17 PM »
It all comes down to trustworthiness.

Whether it is tax cuts or relationships with radicals, where does the truth end and the fiction begin?




Well I am suspicious of the promise to cut taxes for 95%.

Much less than 95% pay taxes at all , so this is not an increase in taxes on only 5% of those who pay taxes , more like 15% or so.

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2008, 12:46:39 AM »
I don't think there are too many candidates who are able to fulfill all their promises.  McCain promises victory in Iraq and Afghanistan, but who in history has ever achieved lasting victory over either of them, and what would be the cost?

I think you'd better stop thinking of the election as an auction where bidders are trying to buy a public office by offering more than the other guy.  It's understood that neither of these guys - - or any other politicians - - will be able to deliver on everything they promise.

Look instead to the aspirations of the candidates, and assume that with some success and with some failures they will attempt to move the nation in the direction of their goals.  What are those goals?  In the case of McCain, I see more war, more war spending, more lost lives and limbs in a never-ending effort to crush the resistance of proud Iraqis to rule by foreigners or foreign puppets and the bleeding out of their national wealth to unwanted "multinational" "partners" forced upon them at gunpoint.  In the case of Obama, I see a re-directing of national will, national effort, national treasure, away from fighting wars in faraway foreign lands for all-too-obviously nefarious motives, and in the direction of America's basic needs - - good-quality health care for ALL its citizens, public education that actually educates, decent housing and safe streets. 

It isn't a question really of which candidate will deliver the larger basket of goodies, but what they hope to do for the country - - knowing that if they don't succeed at all stated goals in the first term, with a decent effort they can win a mandate to maintain the same pursuit and hopefully with more momentum and support the second time round.  You're really choosing a direction, not a safe arrival at a predicted destination.
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Re: Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2008, 12:54:50 AM »
I think you'd better stop thinking of the election as an auction where bidders are trying to buy a public office by offering more than the other guy. 

As far as that , this is what it is supposed to be , we vote in our own intrest and in the direction we individually think is right.

The Gestalt of the whole might choose wisely , but you don't get a garruntee.

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Re: Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2008, 01:10:59 AM »
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Look instead to the aspirations of the candidates, and assume that with some success and with some failures they will attempt to move the nation in the direction of their goals.

If only this same philosophy was applied to Joe the Plumber.

WHat concerns me the most is you probably don't see the disconnect between your position concerning Obama's aspirations and Joe's aspirations.


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Re: Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2008, 01:18:17 AM »
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Look instead to the aspirations of the candidates, and assume that with some success and with some failures they will attempt to move the nation in the direction of their goals.

If only this same philosophy was applied to Joe the Plumber.

WHat concerns me the most is you probably don't see the disconnect between your position concerning Obama's aspirations and Joe's aspirations.



We shall see soon enough, BT.
Who knows....maybe Obama will pull this one off.

IF not...he's in dip Crapola.....

as his candidacy and run for office has been like watching Mr. Smith goes to Washington.

This time the American public will not tolerate promises followed by lies, or any sort of bait and switch tactics.

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2008, 01:31:31 AM »
I think we can tolerate a lot of disapointment , but there is an invisible line , he won't know he has crossed it untill he is on the wrong side of it.


But in one thing I agree with MT , few expect him to keep ALL of his promises.

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2008, 01:44:19 AM »
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This time the American public will not tolerate promises followed by lies, or any sort of bait and switch tactics.


Sure they will.

They will take it and like it or they will be investigated, just like Joe the Plumber.