Conservatives have it right.

[Xavier_Onassis]

No, they do not.

With over 12,000 colleges and universities in this countries, the HR types who look at transcripts have no clue as the habits of individual instructors. Most colleges do not even have the professor's name on the transcript.

Grades are not salaries. Grades are intended to show students their progress during the course, and their mastery of it on the transcript.

Professors issuing grades are not at all like the government printing money.

[Plane]

  Another simularity!

   And one I had not considered before you pointed it out.

     When a dollar changes hands we don't really know how hard its previous owner worked to get it.

  Now you inform me that grades are just as fungable as money is. 

[Xavier_Onassis]

I don't know what you mean by that.

Look, I told you how I regard grades, how I issued grades, and what I consider to be a fair tax policy. I do not consider grades and salaries to be similar at all.  I did what I considered fair and just, and told students every detail of how they would be evaluated, and why.

[sirs]

No different than what an employer tells his employees

[Xavier_Onassis]

That was not true of any job I ever held. Certainly never in such detail.

My instructions were "your job is to learn". Not do anything for me, to learn for their own benefit.

[sirs]

Sorry...same concept, as you merely rewarded those students with grades instead of money.  The better they did in learning, the better the grades given.  The better an employee does at performing their function, the better their salary. 

It's sad that a "professor" can't grasp that

[Xavier_Onassis]

In what job do you get paid more for doing a better job?

Unless you are doing piece work, I can't think of any.

Either you do an acceptable job and keep the job, or you don't and get fired.

In rare instances, occasionally, you get a promotion, if and only if there is an opening.

[kimba1]

that`s quite true. in businesses it`s extremely hard to notice outstanding workers and it`s very hard for companies to get them also. In that show undercover boss it`s a recurring theme. It`s kinda public knowledge most 7/11 clerks are collerge students, but none will ever consider working there as a career and is totally unaware that company has many programs to encourage it.

I always thought one of the biggest flaws in a company is the restriction normally place in it`s education programs(only learn what`s related to the job). It`s a rare person who willing wants to learn to begin with so I very much doubt a free education will break a company.

note recently companies are now complaining not enough qualified people for them to hire now.

[sirs]

In what job do you get paid more for doing a better job?

Pretty much anyone.....especially seen in professional sports.  Nearly everyone I've known has seen a raise in their salary, based on their accomplishments.  PT I's here, work & strive to become PT II's, then on to administrators.  You're trying to claim you had the same salary as a teacher, thru-out your entire career??  Are you that bad a teacher??

[Xavier_Onassis]

As a rule, salaries were raised on a percentage basis for the entire faculty. For example, they would announce a 3% raise for the next year's contract, and I would get somewhere between 3 and 3.5%.


I know of no case in all my years of teaching where the superintendent, principal, dean or provost called any faculty member into the office and said "Congratulations! because of your great performance, we are giving you a $X raise this year, next year, whenever." It just doesn't work that way. I know of no school where it does.

I recall the pharmacist and owner of a drugstore where I worked handing me $75 extra because I worked 78 hours one week when everyone else was on vacation.

 

[sirs]

Just gave you multiple examples of folks making more based on their accomplishments, just like a teacher giving better grades for better results/accomplishments.  Rationalize all you want, but you've been hosed on this one

[Xavier_Onassis]

Only in the bizarro world of sirs.

Grades are not the same as salaries.

Favoring a 3-4% raise in the taxes of the mega rich is not "income distribution" equivalent a grade of C to every student in a course.

Salaries are determined largely by supply and demand. Grades are not.

Salaries are determined by factors other than the largesse or lack of same of the employers.

Grades should never be determined in this way.

[Christians4LessGvt]

we try to base as much as we can on commissions or bonus type money
base salary is $$$ amount and you can do X, Y, Z to increase your money
we used to have a problem of employees walking around "visiting" while on the clock
we simply added a phone bonus.....every call they take and place an order they get a quarter.....
some increase their wage by $1, $2, $3, or more an hour
needless to say...we dont have a problem of people wandering around bullshitting anymore
ya wanna take a smoke break?....
hey we and other employees say "go right ahead" and I take your quarters!
ha ha....

[kimba1]

Unm xo is quite right sadly
It pretty much public knowledge teachers get little rewards for good service.if anything bad performance is protected
Ex. The rubber room- a teacher deemed unsafe around student is placed in a empty room for the day with full pay.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Rubber Room is a thing of the past. It only existed in NYC Public Schools for several years.

If a teacher was reported as being a molester by a student or students, the district could not fire him until the truth of the charges was ascertained. Neither could it put him in the classroom and risk getting sued if there was another complaint. So the teacher had to serve time waiting in a "rubber room" until there was a hearing.

I understand that hearings do not involve much waiting now.

Right wingers like to talk about rubber rooms because they assume that it is a common feature of many school districts. But it isn't.

Bad performance is not protected anywhere I have taught. If you are a bad teacher in Junior High or High School, the students will drive you nuts.

If you are a bad teacher in college, you won't get tenure and will be bounced out within a couple of years.