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sirs

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You can't make this stuff up
« on: May 08, 2015, 04:40:06 PM »
...and again, just think if this were happening under a GOP Administration, and the coniption that Democrats and the MSM would be having.

IRS not only doesn't fire its employees that cheat on their taxes, but many are actually promoted

The IRS refused to fire most of its own employees found to be cheating on their taxes — and in some cases even quickly turned around and promoted them within the year, according to an audit released Wednesday.
 
In about 60 percent of cases of “willful violations,” IRS managers found mitigating circumstances and refused to fire the employees, even though the law calls for that penalty. In some of those cases, the managers didn’t even document why they had overridden the penalty, said Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George.
 
“Given its critical role in federal tax administration, the IRS must ensure that its employees comply with the tax law in order to maintain the public’s confidence,” Mr. George said. “Willful violation of the law by IRS employees should not be taken lightly, and the IRS commissioner should fully document decisions made to retain employees whom management has proposed be terminated.”

From 2004 to 2013, the IRS identified nearly 130,000 suspected cases of tax violations by its own employees and concluded about 10 percent of those were actual violations. Mr. George said the agency did a good job of spotting those issues.
 
Of those 13,000 cases, 1,580 were deemed to be intentional cheaters, and they were sent to managers for discipline. But in 60 percent of the cases, the managers refused to fire the employees.
 
Among the abuses were employees who repeatedly failed to file their returns on time, those who intentionally inflated their expenses and those who claimed the stimulus homebuyer’s tax credit without buying a home.

The IRS said its employees have a compliance rate of higher than 99 percent, which is much higher than other employers and is tops among all major federal agencies.
 
“Over ten years, TIGTA found an average of a little more than 150 IRS employees a year committed a willful tax violation. Of the total cases, 620 — or nearly 40 percent — resulted in the employee leaving their position because they were terminated, resigned or retired. Others faced strong disciplinary actions that included terminations, suspensions and reprimands,” the agency said.
 
The IRS also said it has taken steps to cancel bonuses that would otherwise have been paid to the tax cheats.
 
“Nonetheless, the IRS agrees that we can improve this process. The changes will include a more proactive approach to ensure timeliness and consistency and provide more transparency in the mitigation process while preserving the commissioner’s authority provided by federal law,” the agency said in its statement.

(we just need to take their word for it)
 
Of the 1,580 employees deemed to have intentionally cheated on their taxes, 108 of them received no punishment at all. The others were at least admonished, while 25 percent were fired, and 14 percent were allowed to resign or retire instead of being fired.
 
The vast majority of substantiated reports involved “nonwillful” violations. Of those, just 238, or about 1 percent, were deemed serious enough to be fired. Another 1 percent were allowed to retire or resign, 47 percent were admonished, 26 percent were sent to counseling, and 14 percent were closed without any punishment.
 
More than 2,000 employees had multiple red flags during the decade, the inspector general said. Investigators pulled a sample of 15 cases where an employee had repeated intentional violations and found that even there, the majority were allowed to remain on the job.
 
The inspector general took a sampling of 364 cases of intentional cheaters and found that 108 of them were not only not fired, but were given raises or promotions within a year of being found to be cheating.
 
The report comes a month after the inspector general revealed the IRS rehired hundreds of employees who had been let go after performance or misconduct problems.

Rep. Peter J. Roskam, chairman of the House Ways and Means oversight subcommittee, said the new report was the latest black mark for the agency, and said it undercut the IRS’s complaints about budget cuts hurting its ability to conduct audits of the public.
 
“The IRS owes the American people an explanation for this display of bureaucratic incompetence,” the Illinois Republican said. “To argue that budget cuts provide ‘a tax cut for tax cheats’ while harboring employees who violate the laws they are supposed to enforce, quite frankly, defies logic.”
 
IRS Commissioner John Koskinen, who, along with a review board must approve the decision to keep any employees deemed to have intentionally cheated on their taxes, has insisted things at his agency have improved over the last two years, which is when another report from Mr. George exposed that the IRS had singled out tea party groups for special scrutiny in their tax-exempt applications.
 
Mr. Koskinen has argued that budget cuts have eviscerated morale at the IRS, and he has pleaded with Congress to give him more money to hire staff. He also defended doling out bonuses to employees.
 
“They are not bonuses, they are performance awards. Over 40, 45 percent of the employees don’t get them. You only get them if you perform,” he said.
 
But he said he’s taken steps to try to make sure tax cheats don’t get awards.
 
“Even though we have over 99 percent compliance, I thought it was an important point,” he said.
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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2015, 05:42:15 PM »
Employees are rewarded for performance above and beyond the average.
Some IRS employees cheat on their taxes. Some of these get awards for doing their job better than average: they are not getting bonuses for cheating on their taxes.
If there are 1580 cheaters and 108 were not punished, that means that 1472 were punished in some way. That is between 6 and 7 percent.  Cheating is not defined in this article. Turning in one's return late is a violation, but is its not falsification. If you are late, they send you a letter demanding a penalty based on a percentage of the amount unpaid: they do not throw people in jail for being late for a one year return.

They do need more personnel: the population has grown, more people owe taxes and the number of IRS workers has been reduced. I have never had any problem with the IRS.
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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2015, 05:57:08 PM »
Nor did anyone claim that these tax cheats are "getting bonuses for cheating".  The point is, that by law, these folks should be fired.....any IRS employee, responsible for auditing us, who cheats on their taxes, should absolutely be fired, regardless of how much money they bring in with their audits and declaration of cheats they legally classify someone as.  And we won't even start on those who were actually promoted, following their having been found cheating on their taxes

I think we can safely speculate why they're not fired either.  With how corrupted and abusive this administration has turned the IRS into, its no wonder they want to reward such loyal servants.  Far easier to keep them mum to their abuses with honey, rather than persecute them with being fired, at which time their 1st phone call is to Fox News followed by the NY Times
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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2015, 08:40:17 PM »
You cannot blame the current administration for the IRS, this is a Washington bureaucracy problem.
I agree that the IRS employees should be above reproach, but firing someone in the bureaucracy is a very difficult thing.
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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2015, 01:18:02 AM »
You cannot blame the current administration for the IRS, this is a Washington bureaucracy problem.

The IRS is an arm or the Executive Branch.  It functions at the behest of the Executive Branch.  Nor is this a Bureaucracy problem, as the law is clear.  Being fired is the minimum that should be done....but PROMOTIONS??  It stinks not of bureaucracy, but of cover-up
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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2015, 09:24:36 AM »
Your keen sense of smell to the rescue of evildoers everywhere!
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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2015, 10:02:46 AM »
Not evildoers......corruptdoers
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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2015, 04:13:58 PM »
      This is one of the things I liked about Herman Cain and 9-9-9!

     Simple is a virtue in law.

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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2015, 05:27:32 PM »
Cain's 9-9-9 was analyzed and the conclusion was that it would not work. It is pretty clear that Congress would NEVER pass it in the way Cain wanted. It was clever of him to bring it up, however. As a PR campaign it was a jewel among the offal of the rest of the GOP Primary Debacle.

Cain's last public appearance seems to have been his Ritual of the Great Pussywhipping , in which he said that he was not withdrawing from the race, just the campaign,  and his candidacy would continue.

Yeah, sure.


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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2015, 09:59:56 PM »
Life has disappointments.

Studies "proving" a simple system would not work are as credible as tobacco funded cancer studies.

Complexity has the single virtue of requiring experts to run the system , thus providing employment to the experts.

There was a lot to like about Herman C. I am amazed at the Vast Left wing conspiracy's efficiency at rapidly digging up dirt.

But that is what modern elections are like.

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2015, 09:32:15 AM »
It was not the "Left Wing" that dug up the dirt on Herman Cain. It was the legions of women that he seduced that kept reporting him to the press.
They could have reported this to Fox "News" or any right woing media outlet in the country and it would have been reported with the same results.

There were plenty of GOP rivals that wanted to bust Cain.

The guy was a just a somewhat charismatic old fart on his last ego trip. Very much like Donald Trump in many ways.
It was his bragging that he did not know diddly about foreign affairs that made him scary, not his womanizing.

It was his public pussywhipping that brought him down.
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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2015, 01:15:06 PM »
It was not the "Left Wing" that dug up the dirt on Herman Cain.
From your point of view , these seduced women were content to be quiet  until Herman ran for president , then they spontaneously called each other and formed a convention?
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It was his public pussywhipping that brought him down.

Yes, this is true , much to my regret.
I don't even know what proportion of the accusation is true, but as far as I have heard none of the accusers charged him with harassment or rape , so he comes off better than one living president and a brace of passed ones.

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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2015, 02:00:02 PM »
I don't even know what proportion of the accusation is true, but as far as I have heard none of the accusers charged him with harassment or rape , so he comes off better than one living president and a brace of passed ones.

Well said
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2015, 04:53:01 PM »
I don't think that Herman Cain's girlfriends were influenced by politics or ideology. One came forward and denounced him, and he denied it. So several more of them felt sympathy for her and came out as well.

What did Cain in was that these were WHITE women. That lost him the votes of lots and lots of Black women, for sure. And also all the racists that don't like the idea of Black men messing with White women.

Then his wife trotted him out and made him whimper and fess up in public.  That lost him the votes of all pussywhipped men as well as all men that fear being pussywhipped, and *poof!* he vanished, as if by magic.

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Re: You can't make this stuff up
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2015, 05:31:14 PM »
You can think that, in order to fit some preconceived template.....doesn't make it true, however
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