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Brassmask

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...hope almost always beats fear
« on: October 10, 2008, 03:46:57 PM »
Hoover vs. Roosevelt?

By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Friday, October 10, 2008; A19

Hope vs. fear, new vs. old: Barack Obama and John McCain have placed their bets. These are the terms on which the 2008 presidential campaign will be decided.

That's why it's unfair for political bystanders to attack Obama and McCain for offering few specifics as to how they'd fix an ailing economy. And it's foolish to ask them to jettison their campaign promises in order to pay homage to the God of Balanced Budgets.

Each campaign has given voters ample notice about the inclinations, temperaments, habits, philosophical leanings and advisers they would bring to the White House. That's enough.

Piles of prescriptions would be useless because this crisis is moving so fast. New ideas could become obsolete in a few days -- or require substantial redrafting on the run, as happened with McCain's sketchy mortgage purchase plan floated during Tuesday's debate.

In this financial catastrophe, last week's unthinkable idea quickly becomes this week's imperative. The Bush administration is wisely contemplating following the lead of British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in having government take ownership shares in many banks to get them more cash and allow them to lend again.

If Obama had suggested such a thing, he would have been condemned as a socialist and the administration might well have had to shelve a necessary idea. Better that the candidates acknowledge that they are powerless until after Nov. 4.

As for cutting back on their programs because the government is spending and lending so much to save the economy, the candidates should just say no to the deficit carpers.

Yes, the federal government faces a huge deficit, bloated during eight years in which many of those now crying out for fiscal responsibility put up little resistance when the administration started two wars and cut taxes at the same time. Where were these deficit hawks then?

The time to balance budgets is when the economy is humming. Now, the government is obligated not only to prop up the economy but also to bring back long-term growth. That will require transformative investments in infrastructure, health care, education and new green technologies.

If you think the number of Americans without health insurance is too high now, wait until this recession really kicks in. Few investments would help businesses more than offloading a share of their health-care costs to the government. It's social justice with an economic kick.

In fact, if these various bailout plans work, the government should get much of its money back during an economic recovery. If they don't work, balancing the budget will be the least of our problems. The short-term costs of healing the economy should be considered apart from the rest of the budget. We should create a separate Economic Recovery Authority to handle the outflow and (we hope) inflow of cash from various bailout plans.

Obama and McCain are giving us a clear sense of who they are and how they would lead. It would seem that Obama has been studying the 1932 campaign of Franklin D. Roosevelt. The key to Roosevelt's victory was not a big program but a jaunty sense of optimism in the midst of despair that led to his signature inaugural line -- "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Less famously, Roosevelt declared in his acceptance speech that "this is no time for fear, for reaction or for timidity."

In recent days, Obama has painted himself as calm, pragmatic, open and hopeful. He seemed to be channeling FDR when he told a crowd in Indianapolis on Wednesday: "This isn't a time for fear or for panic. This is a time for resolve and steady leadership."

As for McCain, his campaign is trying to sow fear and panic about Obama. That's exactly what Herbert Hoover tried to do with Roosevelt. Days before the 1932 election, Hoover attacked Roosevelt's "inchoate New Deal." He predicted it would "crack the timbers of the Constitution" and warned voters to beware of the "glitter of promise."

Hoover stopped short of declaring Roosevelt a celebrity. But Donald A. Ritchie reports in his excellent 2007 book, "Electing FDR," that Hoover saw Roosevelt as "his weakest and most vulnerable" foe and "did not respect him as a political rival." McCain conveys unmistakably that he feels the same way about "that one" running against him.

It's too early to predict that the 2008 campaign will turn out like the one in 1932. But history suggests that in American elections, the candidate who underestimates his opponent often loses, and hope almost always beats fear.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100902331_pf.html

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 03:51:40 PM »
For me, the comparison rings true.

Obama has been hopeful and bringing folks together.  McCain is sowing hate and fear.

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 05:29:35 PM »
and if I recall correctly, it was messers Pelosi & Reid that ushered in this new era of "hope" and "change", with their new found majority status.....which was about the same time the economy started to tank.  Imagine that.  And here Obama wants to add a new layer of such "hope & change".  Hard to imagine how the economy can survive that much more     :-\
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 05:51:02 PM »
This is probably one of the mosty blatantly false opeds i have seen this weak.

What 2 wars did Bush start?

Who is sowing fear about a president dying in office?

and on and on and on.....

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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 08:24:56 PM »
This is probably one of the mosty blatantly false opeds i have seen this weak.

What 2 wars did Bush start?

Who is sowing fear about a president dying in office?

and on and on and on.....


The disconnect from reality continues.  Now, we're not even at war anymore.

Oy and god damn.

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 08:29:41 PM »
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What 2 wars did Bush start?

Was the question not clear enough for you?

What 2 wars?




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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 08:46:39 PM »
no matter the outcome there will be no winners.

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 08:55:18 PM »

Was the question not clear enough for you?

What 2 wars?


You are kidding, right?

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 08:57:11 PM »
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You are kidding, right?

No. What 2 wars did he start. This isn't a trick question. The author stated Bush started two wars. Which two is he referring to?

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2008, 10:48:28 AM »
(1) Afghanistan
(2) Iraq

Surely you are aware of these as being wars, and not one, nor three shall be their number, but two.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2008, 11:00:17 AM »
no matter the outcome there will be no winners.


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I observe that McCain is all for "victory" in Iraq, and yet General Petraeus, who I suspect knows more about the Iraq War than McCain, refuses to use the word 'victory'.

As for the elections, we will be paying for the misbegotten presidency of Juniorbush for a very long time. Winning will consist of losing the least and for the shortest period of time.

Obama will cause a surge of optimism across the world as someone that will cause a break from the disastrous past administration. Electing McCain will denote that the people wish to perpetuate the borrow and squander, warmongering ways of the past. Obama has the demeanor of being unflappable, thoughtful and considerate.

 McCain is the one famous for flailing about wildly for a short period of time, and then accepting the status quo. Observe his actions on trying to abolish torture. The only difference now is that they have to deputize the torturers as CIA approved, after which they can break out the waterboards and hoses and do as they did before. Calling McCain a 'maverick' is just creative branding.

Vote Republican! Now with more torture supervision and more Maverickisness®!
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2008, 11:13:46 AM »
I disagree that Bush started the Afghanistan War.

What was the widely supported reason for going in?



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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2008, 11:19:43 AM »
If Bush did not start it, who did?

I think there was  justification in starting the Afghan War, but the attack was so poorly done that Taliban is once more back in power, this time financed by drugs, and Osama bin Laden is still around.

Pretty much everything Juniorbush has touched has turned to sh*t.

It's like the Midas touch tale, but with more stink, more files and less irony.


With wars, finishing them is pretty much all that counts.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2008, 12:16:20 PM »
>>Pretty much everything Juniorbush has touched has turned to sh*t.<<

And yet here you are seven years later freely disseminating all the things you find wrong with America and her president. you haven't been jailed, which the left kept telling us would happen, your leaders are free to tell any lie they please, and you've been free from terrorist attack.

It took the democrats to destroy the economy, but it was Republican who kept us safe. Ole Barry will be to busy socializing healthcare to worry about something like national security. Besides, we asked for it anyway.

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Re: ...hope almost always beats fear
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2008, 02:05:56 PM »
I am sure that this is what they tell you.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."