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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on September 29, 2011, 01:21:08 PM
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/29/janeane_garofalo_racist_republicans_support_herman_cain.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/29/janeane_garofalo_racist_republicans_support_herman_cain.html)
Janeane Garofalo: "Herman Cain is probably well liked by some of the Republicans because it hides the racist elements of the Republican party. Conservative movement and tea party movement, one in the same.
"People like Karl Rove liked to keep the racism very covert. And so Herman Cain provides this great opportunity say you can say 'Look, this is not a racist, anti-immigrant, anti-female, anti-gay movement. Look we have a black man.'"
This makes me not wonder much about whether or not Janeane Garofalo is a racist; she pretty much cleared that one up for all of us with those comments.
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Karl Rove is not a racist like Bull Connors, but he favors using race as a way of manipulating the electorate. Having Cain in the race allows the GOP to disclaim the fact that there are racists in their party.
Cain got 36 % of the vote in the FL primary. At best, this indicates that 36% of the voters in that straw poll are not racists.
You are, of course, a racist, Kramer. Everyone here has seen ample evidence of that. But you are also not the sharpest tack in the box, which explains how you feel you can deny your racism.
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I can't believe that all the liberal left has to support Obama now is to call his opponents racists. I mean I knew it would happen, but it is still hard to believe.
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Not all those who oppose Obama are racists, but that does not mean that there are none who oppose him do so because they are racists.
Obama was given the most difficult term in many years to serve as president. he has receives less cooperation and compromise from the opposition party than any president my life.
It is like tripping a runner and then telling him that he runs poorly.
He has been a far better president than McCain would have been.
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I can't believe that all the liberal left has to support Obama now is to call his opponents racists. I mean I knew it would happen, but it is still hard to believe.
I think what Janeane Garofalo is saying is the Democrat Party owns black people and the Republicans should keep their hands off of other peoples property.
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Karl Rove is not a racist like Bull Connors, but he favors using race as a way of manipulating the electorate. Having Cain in the race allows the GOP to disclaim the fact that there are racists in their party.
Cain got 36 % of the vote in the FL primary. At best, this indicates that 36% of the voters in that straw poll are not racists.
You are, of course, a racist, Kramer. Everyone here has seen ample evidence of that. But you are also not the sharpest tack in the box, which explains how you feel you can deny your racism.
XO you are very predictable.
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so let me get this straight
Garofalo is saying that a person that hates blacks will love
a black man so that they can hide the fact they hate blacks?
Makes no sense!
So what else is new?
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so let me get this straight
Garofalo is saying that a person that hates blacks will love
a black man so that they can hide the fact they hate blacks?
Makes no sense!
So what else is new?
You and I didn't understand it but naturally XO fully got it. I think he's thinks just like Garofalo.
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Karl Rove is not a racist like Bull Connors, but he favors using race as a way of manipulating the electorate. Having Cain in the race allows the GOP to disclaim the fact that there are racists in their party.
Cain got 36 % of the vote in the FL primary. At best, this indicates that 36% of the voters in that straw poll are not racists.
If white voters had voted 90%+ for the white canadate would this be evidence of racism?
I think it would have been percieved so , but black voters voting in great purportion for Obama is not perceived so?
I don't think we have progressed to the point that racism doesn't matter at all , but we have definately progressed to the point that those who complain of racism most display greater racism than their complaints can point to.
Racism requires hipocracy, less is better .
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If we assume that a racist would not vote for a Black man, then the only conclusion we can draw from the single Black candidate getting 36% of the vote is that somewhere between 0% and 64% of the voters could be racists. Not that they are, simply could be.
It does not prove that no Republicans or 'baggers are racists, which was Kramer's erroneous conclusion.
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If we assume that a racist would not vote for a Black man, then the only conclusion we can draw from the single Black candidate getting 36% of the vote is that somewhere between 0% and 64% of the voters could be racists. Not that they are, simply could be.
It does not prove that no Republicans or 'baggers are racists, which was Kramer's erroneous conclusion.
How would you prove Democrats or Liberals include few racists?
I am trying to imagine what sort of evidence would be enough.
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If we assume that a racist would not vote for a Black man, then the only conclusion we can draw from the single Black candidate getting 36% of the vote is that somewhere between 0% and 64% of the voters could be racists. Not that they are, simply could be.
It does not prove that no Republicans or 'baggers are racists, which was Kramer's erroneous conclusion.
How would you prove Democrats or Liberals include few racists?
I am trying to imagine what sort of evidence would be enough.
those wearing white ropes and hoods.
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If we assume that a racist would not vote for a Black man, then the only conclusion we can draw from the single Black candidate getting 36% of the vote is that somewhere between 0% and 64% of the voters could be racists. Not that they are, simply could be.
It does not prove that no Republicans or 'baggers are racists, which was Kramer's erroneous conclusion.
How would you prove Democrats or Liberals include few racists?
I am trying to imagine what sort of evidence would be enough.
those wearing white ropes and hoods.
I was thinking of the Democrats who preferred the White canadate last time round , what was it , 48% or so for Hillary Clinton?
This would not prove that 48% of Democrats are racists , but it makes it possible that 74% or so could be .
(48% almost all White Dem voters who prefer Hilleray plus the 26% of Dem voters who are black and voted for Obama are not necessacerily but could be racist.)
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If 48% preferred Hillary, then some of all of that 48% could have been racists. But this is unlikely.
In a typical Chinese restaurant, you can have egg drop or won ton.
If you prefer egg drop, it does not mean you hate won ton, or vice versa. It COULD mean that, but the odds are against it.
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If 48% preferred Hillary, then some of all of that 48% could have been racists. But this is unlikely.
In a typical Chinese restaurant, you can have egg drop or won ton.
If you prefer egg drop, it does not mean you hate won ton, or vice versa. It COULD mean that, but the odds are against it.
If we assume that a racist would not vote for a Black man, then the only conclusion we can draw from the single Black candidate getting 36% of the vote is that somewhere between 0% and 64% of the voters could be racists. Not that they are, simply could be.
But unlikely?
Don't forget that some of the Obama Voters can be racist because thay would be voting for their own race , this makes it possible that more than 70% of Democrats are racist , possible , however unlikely.
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A Black person who votes for Obama is a racist, you say? Would that be ALL Balck people who vote for Obama, or merely some?
Is a White person who votes for McCain or any White person also a racist?
How can you distinguish between a racist person who votes for a member of his own race, and one that does the same thing, but is NOT a racist?
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A Black person who votes for Obama is a racist, you say? Would that be ALL Balck people who vote for Obama, or merely some?
Is a White person who votes for McCain or any White person also a racist?
How can you distinguish between a racist person who votes for a member of his own race, and one that does the same thing, but is NOT a racist?
Bingo BOZO, that's why what Janeane Garofalo said is utter nonsense. That's why Liberalism is a mental disorder. Now your ilk are obsessing on Christy's fatness.
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how come if the democrats represent the blacks
there is not a single black member of the US Senate?
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how come if the democrats represent the blacks
there is not a single black member of the US Senate?
Because Democrats are racists and they like to keep their Negros on a short leash.
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how come if the democrats represent the blacks
there is not a single black member of the US Senate?
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There was one, but he was promoted to President by 53% of the people.
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A Black person who votes for Obama is a racist, you say? Would that be ALL Balck people who vote for Obama, or merely some?
Is a White person who votes for McCain or any White person also a racist?
How can you distinguish between a racist person who votes for a member of his own race, and one that does the same thing, but is NOT a racist?
Hmmmm I donno , I should consult an expert on that subject.
Hello ,expert ,how does one determine the purportionality of racism in a large group?
Cain got 36 % of the vote in the FL primary. At best, this indicates that 36% of the voters in that straw poll are not racists.
Ah I see! Racism can be assumed as a default untill there is solid evidence otherwise.
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Cain got 36 % of the vote in the FL primary. At best, this indicates that 36% of the voters in that straw poll are not racists.
Ah I see! Racism can be assumed as a default untill there is solid evidence otherwise.
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I did NOT say that 36% are not racists, I said at AT BEST (meaning at most, or between 0% and 36%) are not racists.
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Ah I see! Racism can be assumed as a default untill there is solid evidence otherwise.
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I did NOT say that 36% are not racists, I said at AT BEST (meaning at most, or between 0% and 36%) are not racists.
Thus validating his point; you think Republicans are racist, even some of the ones that voted for Cain.
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Ah I see! Racism can be assumed as a default untill there is solid evidence otherwise.
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I did NOT say that 36% are not racists, I said at AT BEST (meaning at most, or between 0% and 36%) are not racists.
Thus validating his point; you think Republicans are racist, even some of the ones that voted for Cain.
Am I missing something in XO's logic or illogical point? If a racist is a racist then why would a racist vote for Cain a black man?
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YOu did not understand, so yes, you are missing something.Perhaps I did not phrase this correctly.
If we assume that no racist would vote for a Black man, and observe that 36% voted for Cain (who is Black), then we must logically conclude that if there are racists, they are among the 64% who did NOT vote for Cain.
I would say that this means that somewhere between 0% and 64% of the voters are racists, since none of those who voted for Cain are. (If we assume that no racist would vote for a Black man).
I am not sure that no racist would vote for Cain.Perhaps one might for some ulterior motive. We cannot assume that everyone votes consistent with logic.
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If the best proof that one is not a racist is to vote for leadership that belongs to another race, then what is a Black Republican who likes Herman Cain for his resume' gonna do? Can his vote for Herman leave him vunerable to a charge of Racism?
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If the best proof that one is not a racist is to vote for leadership that belongs to another race, then what is a Black Republican who likes Herman Cain for his resume' gonna do? Can his vote for Herman leave him vunerable to a charge of Racism?
you mean like a black Democrat voting for Obama?
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If the best proof that one is not a racist is to vote for leadership that belongs to another race, then what is a Black Republican who likes Herman Cain for his resume' gonna do? Can his vote for Herman leave him vunerable to a charge of Racism?
you mean like a black Democrat voting for Obama?
Yes , exactly.
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A Black person who votes for either Cain or Obama cannot be seriously described as acting out of racism.
There could be many possible motives, but racism is not one of them.
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A Black person who votes for either Cain or Obama cannot be seriously described as acting out of racism.
There could be many possible motives, but racism is not one of them.
I don't understand your logic.
Please expand your idea?
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A Black person who votes for either Cain or Obama cannot be seriously described as acting out of racism.
There could be many possible motives, but racism is not one of them.
so you look at black people different than white people. hmm, that sounds eerily racist to me.