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2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« on: June 28, 2010, 12:41:19 PM »
BARELY

Gun rights extended by Supreme Court

By MARK SHERMAN
The Associated Press
Monday, June 28, 2010


WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court held Monday that the Constitution's Second Amendment restrains government's ability to significantly limit "the right to keep and bear arms," advancing a recent trend by the John Roberts-led bench to embrace gun rights.

By a narrow, 5-4 vote, the justices also signaled, however, that some limitations on the right could survive legal challenges.

Writing for the court in a case involving restrictive laws in Chicago and one of its suburbs, Justice Samuel Alito said that the Second Amendment right "applies equally to the federal government and the states." 

The court was split along familiar ideological lines, with five conservative-moderate justices in favor of gun rights and four liberals opposed. Chief Justice Roberts voted with the majority.

Two years ago, the court declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess guns, at least for purposes of self-defense in the home.

That ruling applied only to federal laws. It struck down a ban on handguns and a trigger lock requirement for other guns in the District of Columbia, a federal city with a unique legal standing. At the same time, the court was careful not to cast doubt on other regulations of firearms here.

Gun rights proponents almost immediately filed a federal lawsuit challenging gun control laws in Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park, Ill, where handguns have been banned for nearly 30 years. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence says those laws appear to be the last two remaining outright bans.

Lower federal courts upheld the two laws, noting that judges on those benches were bound by Supreme Court precedent and that it would be up to the high court justices to ultimately rule on the true reach of the Second Amendment.

The Supreme Court already has said that most of the guarantees in the Bill of Rights serve as a check on state and local, as well as federal, laws.

Monday's decision did not explicitly strike down the Chicago area laws, ordering a federal appeals court to reconsider its ruling. But it left little doubt that they would eventually fall.

Still, Alito noted that the declaration that the Second Amendment is fully binding on states and cities "limits (but by no means eliminates) their ability to devise solutions to social problems that suit local needs and values."


Long live the Constitution & Justices who strictly adhere to it, in their rulings
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2010, 03:07:51 PM »
nothing is put to bed with liberals, they will attack from another angle. the ends justify the means.

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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2010, 03:14:25 PM »
SCOTUS was their last recourse.  Anything else legislated will now hit this same wall
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2010, 05:18:02 PM »
nothing is put to bed with liberals, they will attack from another angle. the ends justify the means.


http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Daley-Vows-New-Gun-Ordinances-97328384.html

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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2010, 06:13:05 PM »
Anything else legislated will now hit this same wall
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2010, 06:56:51 PM »
Second Amendment Roundly Applies To States
Monday, June 28, 2010 
Jillian Bandes


The Supreme Court?s McDonald v. Chicago decision today ruled that local government cannot place overly-burdensome restrictions on their citizens ability to own firearms. It was a landmark ruling for the Second Amendment, but also for the principle of the Constitution superseding state laws. Whether the Constitution has more authority than state laws is an issue that is far from settled; as the Wall Street Journal?s Nathan Koppel explains, federal laws have only been sporadically applied to states.

Before the Civil War, courts held that the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government. After the Union victory, the Reconstruction amendments were adopted to elevate individual rights over state powers and cement the federal role in enforcing them.

The Supreme Court has subsequently held that many constitutional rights considered fundamental to American principles of liberty override state laws. However, more technical provisions?such as the Fifth Amendment requirement that grand juries approve criminal indictments?apply only to the federal government and don't necessarily bind states.


The Heritage Foundation, on the other hand, thinks that the Second Amendment is so clear and sweeping that it's hard to imagine how it couldn't apply to states:

It is hard to believe that anyone could rationally argue that the Second Amendment does not protect a fundamental right. Yet liberals on the Court, including Justice Stevens whose last day is today, could not even bring themselves to recognize this fundamental right because they don?t like the result. They would never do this with other amendments in the Bill of Rights that lead to results they agree with.
 

A win for the Constitution & Bill of Rights........by a 5-4 vote   :-\
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2010, 11:24:36 PM »
Gun control means holding it with both hands.

Glad the Supreme Court upheld the constitution.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2010, 11:26:02 PM »
hear hear       8)
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2010, 11:28:23 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2010, 11:32:21 PM »
d'oh d'oh
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2010, 12:00:25 AM »
Next, the right of the people to form well ordered militias.

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2010, 02:31:13 AM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2010, 10:18:46 AM »
Anything else legislated will now hit this same wall

glad to see the ruling...but don't bet on that "wall" lasting forever
when they get enough illegals in here that keeps the Supreme Court permanently liberal.
you know thats the plan.....demographics
they couldn't win the game...so they had to use lawbreakers to help them attain their goal
glad i'll be winding down by then and have lived when i did
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2010, 11:08:57 PM »
Anything else legislated will now hit this same wall

glad to see the ruling...but don't bet on that "wall" lasting forever
when they get enough illegals in here that keeps the Supreme Court permanently liberal.
you know thats the plan.....demographics
they couldn't win the game...so they had to use lawbreakers to help them attain their goal
glad i'll be winding down by then and have lived when i did


Heh.  What's that quote again?  Something like "criminals love gun control. Makes their job easier."
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 11:21:12 PM »
Is there a limit on the tax applied to ammunition?

I remember this being put forward as a "solution " years ago.

Tax ammo very highly.