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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2010, 11:25:38 PM »
Anything else legislated will now hit this same wall

glad to see the ruling...but don't bet on that "wall" lasting forever
when they get enough illegals in here that keeps the Supreme Court permanently liberal.
you know thats the plan.....demographics
they couldn't win the game...so they had to use lawbreakers to help them attain their goal
glad i'll be winding down by then and have lived when i did



Heh.  What's that quote again?  Something like "criminals love gun control. Makes their job easier."

yeah I think that works for liberal career politicians too. criminals too.

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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2010, 01:09:59 AM »
Heh.  What's that quote again?  Something like "criminals love gun control. Makes their job easier."

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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2010, 09:38:50 AM »
I remember this being put forward as a "solution " years ago.

Tax ammo very highly.

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This would just make practicing to be a good shot more difficult. You'd have the same number of homicidal maniacs, just they would be bad shots, like the bad guys in the movies, who can't hit anyone even with a machine gun.

We can hope that murderous gun nuts will simply kill one another more often. The non-murderous ones are a lesser problem, after all.
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2010, 01:15:17 PM »
Well that's the thing about me. I'm a "gun nut" in that I wholly support the right to carry firearms.  I don't own a gun myself though.  Shot my friends .22 pistol and shotgun (when I learned the most important rule about fire-arms safety... wear hearing protection), and it was fun in a brutal, primal, "i'm a man" kinda way.

That being said, if I could afford a firearm, I would get licensed and attend training BEFORE I purchased my weapon, and I doubt I would carry it with me in public, just because even with it being legal, people give you funny looks when you carry a weapon.  It would be used for home protection, nothing more.
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2010, 04:04:15 PM »
I would describe you as a wannabe gun nut, which is a better thing to be for all concerned, most of the time.

I once lived in a town so small in Washington State that the main recreation was to go to the town dump and shoot rats.
It was mildly amusing. They had a lot of plump rats there, and they would squeak pitifully when hit  most of the time.
They dammed up the Cowlitz River, and I think the rats must have been drowned.



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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2010, 09:00:15 PM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2010, 10:16:07 PM »
This is from an old MAD Magazine.  Lighter Side of Guns.

A man has a wall full of firearms of all sizes and shapes.  His visitor points out a solitary pistol in the center and says: "Why do you need all of these?  Surely that one gun would suffice."

"You're right," the man says.  "The others are there to make sure nobody tries to take that one gun away."
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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2010, 12:32:24 AM »
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2010, 02:33:37 PM »
Even a simple guy like me can figure out these words from the U.S. Constitution: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." That's contained in the Second Amendment. So why did four Supreme Court justices this week vote to infringe on the right to bear arms?

The court ruled 5 to 4 that 76-year-old Otis McDonald, an African-American Democrat who lives in Chicago, can own a handgun. McDonald, a retired working-class guy, sued the city for taking away his right to protect himself. McDonald was blunt: He said his neighborhood is full of thugs who threaten his well-being and the city cannot control the situation. So he has to protect himself from harm.

But Justices John Paul Stevens, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg basically told McDonald to take a hike. They opined that guns cause a lot of damage to society; therefore, if a city wants to ban them, it can. But that is a policy belief, is it not? Where in the Constitution does it say that if guns become a menace to society they can be banned? Where does it say that?

The Founding Fathers well understood the need for individual protection. Under King George, British soldiers routinely threw Colonial families out of their homes using a bogus law called the "Quartering Act." Also, the colonists had little protection from harm because there was no federal authority and state governments were in their infancy. The founders also recognized that armed rebellion was a possibility even after we threw the British out. So they allowed the new American citizens the right to "bear arms" as protection and, indeed, wanted the folks to form "militias" in case of emergency.

A smart fifth-grader understands all that, but apparently four Supreme Court justices do not.

If these liberal jurists really cared about gun control, they would urge Congress to pass a law making all gun crimes federal offenses with mandatory prison sentences of 10 years. That would mean that any thug who carried a gun illegally or used one to commit a crime would be facing a 10-year stretch on top of whatever else he or she had done. You want bad guys with guns off the streets? That's the way to do it.

My opinion on gun control changed drastically when I saw the chaos in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina. Armed bands of looters in boats cruised the city taking pretty much anything they wanted because the local police presence had collapsed. If you had remained in town in order to protect your property, you would have been at the mercy of these looters unless you had the firepower to ward them off. That is why all Americans have the right to bear arms.

It is depressing to think that the Ruth Bader Ginsburgs of this world do not care a whit about the welfare of Otis McDonald and other Americans who find themselves at risk. For Ginsburg, it is all about her liberal philosophy -- not what benefits the American people.

The Supreme Court is just one justice away from giving Ginsburg and her leftist crew the power to completely usurp the Constitution. Be very afraid.


At least Obama's damage will be confined to just 1 liberal justice for another
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2010, 10:18:20 AM »
Even a simple guy like me can figure out these words from the U.S. Constitution: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." 
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I would guess that they are not as simple as you are and read the part about how the reason for this was "a well-organized militia". What IS your rank in the militia, by the way?

Everyone knows that owning a rifle was a necessity for the majority of the people in the 1790's: they lived in pretty wild country, and depended on game for food and firearms for defense against thieves and Indians, because there were no police.

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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2010, 10:54:14 AM »
Read up a little better, Xo.  Their reference to a "militia" was largely any and everyone NOT of the Government run military, and they being of the unorganized component.  The Constitution has been crystal clear on this, and the Bill of Rights has been crystal clear in that they are individual rights protecting us from an oppressive Government.

It's a shame how many justices on the Supreme court currently don't understand that
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2010, 11:02:53 AM »
What IS your rank in the militia, by the way?

The militia - as defined in 10 USC 311 - has no ranks for the unorganized component.

And the 2nd Amendment says nothing about an "organized militia".
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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2010, 02:34:48 PM »
It says the following:


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Is regulated the same as organized?

In any event, the Second Amendment indicates that the necessity of a "well regulated militia" is the purpose, or at least a major purpose, of the people's right to bear arms.

What was quoted entirely eliminates the mention of a militia.

One can only assume that to be well regulated, said militia needs to have someone in charge of regulating it well. Do you know of any organization of human beings that self-regulates itself well without someone to do the regulating?
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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2010, 03:07:08 PM »
If BT gets a chance, perhaps he can point you to a link, where I wrote a nice summation for PiC, regarding this issue, which will futher attempt to educate you and the 4 other current Supreme Court Justices, as it relates to the Bill of Rights, with the emphasis both the individual nature of those rights and the rationale for those rights against that of a REGULATED & oppressive government.  Believe it or not, there is both an organized and unorganized component to the militia.  We, the heathen people of the U.S., actually make up the unorganized version of it

The only rational thing 1 can assume from the Bill of Rights, is the emphasis they place on restraining the Government from what it would want to impose on the individual
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Re: 2nd amendment opposition largely put to rest
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2010, 03:46:09 PM »
In any event, the Second Amendment indicates that the necessity of a "well regulated militia" is the purpose, or at least a major purpose, of the people's right to bear arms.

And yet, the founding fathers were so stupid that they couldn't figure out the since they meant only militia members should be allowed firearms, that writing "the right of the militia" instead of "the right of the people" would have sufficed.

Or can you think of anyplace else in the Constitution that "the people" means some group smaller than "everyone"?

Also, at the time "well regulated" was a phrase used to described something that was accurate or worked well. Like a "well regulated metronome."
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