A Philosophical Debate.....the GOP's ideology

[Xavier_Onassis]

There is ample evidence that tax cuts for the rich does NOT work. Trickle down economics does not result in the rich hiring more poor people. More often it has resulted in them buying more robots or having their yachts built overseas.

There is no reason to piss away bazillions on weapons that are essentially useless in defending against the sort of enemy we are facing. You cannot stop individuals planting pressure cooker bombs with bazillion dollar fighter jets or aircraft carriers. We already have THREE airforces.

The GOP does not give a shit about the education or the social mobility of the majority of people of this country. They mostly want to reward the uberrich with an even larger share of the national wealth.
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Shouldn't adults in a free country have the option of buying more or less or none as they see fit?
More of less of what?   Fighter jets to fight terrirosts with pressure cooker bombs? well, yes. Since you cannot defend against terrorist attacks with fighter jets.
Slower and cheaper planes could defend against 9-11 aircraft hijacking. Actually, I do not think this is a threat at the present time.

Fewer highways, less education for the younger people? Hell no.

The right wingers have their priorities all screwed up. 

[Plane]

Ooops!
I left something very unclear in my attempt at a Socratic question.
Sorry.

Shouldn't a free person have the right to buy Insurance as much or as little as he pleases ?

   Then there is the part that says that people who contract expensive diseases or injured in accidents are irresponsible for going broke because they did not buy more insurance. Not that most of them had that option.

    Actually, shouldn't adults in a free country have the option of buying more or less or none as they see fit?
     Is there sufficient gain in security, to be worthy of the loss of freedom?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Actually, what happens if people have inadequate insurance is that when they run out of benefits, they end up in the ER with the rest of us paying the bill, because we do not have a national policy of letting people just die by the side of the road.

If someone is so silly as to try to cross the Interstate on a pogo stick, I suppose you could say that he deserves to get hit and run over until he is a squished dried out Frisbee. But we do not do this. There is a societal obligation to remove him from the road and to send him to the hospital or the funeral parlor at public expense.

Considering this, NO, a person does not have the right to pay for no insurance.

[Plane]

Considering this, NO, a person does not have the right to pay for no insurance.

Just another freedom lost for the sake of security.

Free men just do not decide how much risk to take .

The government will certainly want the right to decide whether we smoke and what we eat and when it is time to pull the plug.

After all, it is their money.

[Xavier_Onassis]

There have been fewer than three dozen people convicted of voting as someone else since 1932. Voter impersonation is not any major problem.
The GOP does all it can to prevent Democrats from voting.

[Plane]

  Having few convicted , does not prove much of anything.

  It might just be very hard to catch people with enough evidence to convict when you aren't even checking them for ID.


   I suppose you do not believe that Al Capone was ever involved in illicit liquor , he never did get convicted for that.

    Of course the dearth of persons with standing to sue for disenfranchisement proves everything I want it to prove.

[sirs]

    Of course the dearth of persons with standing to sue for disenfranchisement proves everything I want it to prove.

Bingo   

[Xavier_Onassis]

Voter fraud is NOT why the GOP tries to prevent Democrats from voting. Period.

[Plane]

Voter fraud is NOT why the GOP tries to prevent Democrats from voting. Period.

Yes it is.

Nothing else ever.


You are thinking of Jim Crow tactics ...

There have been fewer than three dozen people convicted of voting as someone else since 1932

  1932 was solidly in the Jim Crow period when a ballot box might just as well be considered off limits to people of the wrong hue.

     There was not a lot of convictions , oh ,.. perhaps it didn't happen.

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is not about 1932. It is not about Jim Crow, either.

[Plane]

This is not about 1932. It is not about Jim Crow, either.

How is it not pertinent that in the past eight decades only a handful of persons were ever convicted for voting irregularities.

How is it unrelated that this includes part of the Jim Crow period?

Did you mean to argue that Jim Crow was never a real thing because so few were ever convicted for it?

My argument is that poor enforcement does not prove anyone innocent.

In Florida the 2000 elections were an embarrassing mess, but all of the problems were experienced in districts managed by Democrats.

I just do not see any effort on the Democrats part to be fair to the American people.

They are even willing to replace them with other people, if this gets them more elected.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The difficulties with the butterfly ballots in FL were not caused by people voting twice or voting as someone else. That entire problem is therefore entirely irrelevent to the discussion of the Republicans trying to make it hard for people to vote.
Hell there have been MEMOS  in which these tactics and the expectations of using them were revealed.

I find it absurd to say that on one hand, people should be obliged as a civic duty to pay for weapons and military preparations against some real of imagined threat to the company by forces from abroad, but refusing to see that health of their fellow citizens is none of their concern.

National security is quite similar to personal threats from accidents and disease, there is as much obligation for everyone to poor their resources against the threat of both foreign attacks and attacks from viruses and microbes and accidents.

The difference is that if the nation is attacked, a Koch Brother might lose part of his immense fortune, but it Cletus Spuckler, an average fellow American, has a heart attack, well, that is on his dime. The Koch brother is safe in his gated community and apartment and Cletus' bad luck is none of his concern.

[Plane]

 Making the country safe from invasion , coercion and threat is possible to do.

Making everyone healthy is not.

[sirs]

BINGO!!

Not to mention it IS a Consititutional mandate to defend and protect this country.  NOT to provide health insurance to everyone

[Xavier_Onassis]

I do not actually care about your fucking Constitutional mandate. It is time for this country to get civilized and have a government that works for ALL the people, not just the fatcats. There is no excuse for poverty in this country. NONE!  There is no reason for people losing all they have worked a lifetime for just so they can go bankrupt just trying to stay alive. NONE!