A Philosophical Debate.....the GOP's ideology

[sirs]

I do not actually care about your fucking Constitutional mandate.

Not that its my mandate, but the Government's, I rest my case.  Thank you for validating pretty much everything I've ever referenced in a hard core intolerant leftist

[Plane]

The government has a mandate to promote the general welfare and allow the people the rights of Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The government is the wrong tool for some of these things, when it is the wrong tool, the government fulfills its mandate by getting out of our hair.

[Xavier_Onassis]

You have validated everything I suspected about ignorant uncareing selfish racist rightwing goons.

How's that?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I have never voted on the Constitution. Neither has a single living soul in this country. I have never been asked to revise it, and neither has anyone else.
I realize that you worship it, while I do not.  I agree with many of its provisions. I agree with a limited number of Supreme Court decisions. I do not agree that corporations are people and have religious sensibilities that I should be forced to accept, for example.

It is pretty clear that Thomas Jefferson did not anticipate that the Constitution would have been accorded the reverence that you seem to have for it.
He said that every generation should have its revolution, as a matter of fact. Which implies changes to the Constitution.

This is no longer a tiny country in which half the population are yeoman & subsistence farmers and there is a slave-owning aristocracy dominating half the nation.
Science and technology have changed our lifespans, our commerce, our moral values since 1790. To claim otherwise is idiocy.

[Christians4LessGvt]

( Thomas Jefferson) He said that every generation should have its revolution, as a matter of fact.

It's coming...trust me.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Just about as much as I trust you about the Second Secession of Texas.

Go to your window, open it, and shout "Ah'm Maaad as Heyull and I ain't gonna take this nomore!" in your best Texas accent. Then you will feel better.
Of course, your windows do not open because of the AC and all. You might have to holler into your 10 gallon Stetson. No matter.

This country is unlikely to rebel unless it is the dispossessed masses rising up against the 5% or so that own everything. But I think that religion, professional sports and stupidity will probably prevent any real revolution. The fatcats can provide bread and perhaps cable access to the circuses to keep the proles amused and many of them on their side.

We should never forget that this is the country that has always had the very, very best propaganda and advertising. Compared to Madison Avenue, Goebbels was just a hick.

[sirs]

You have validated everything I suspected about ignorant uncareing selfish racist rightwing goons.

How's that?

That'd be an opinion.....bolstered by years of the same 99.8% erroneous proclamations.

[Plane]

This country is unlikely to rebel unless it is the dispossessed masses rising up against the 5% or so that own everything.

Is this the same 5% or a different 5% that pay for most of the government?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I hardly matters, does it?

It is not exactly the same. Mitt Romney's 14% to the IRS was rather puny, compared with the millions he made.

The system is unfair. It cannot be made fair, so taxing those who have it all makes sense. At least to me.
It's not like any of you are in danger of joining the Mittster.

[Plane]

 Who pays the piper calls the tune.


   And so they do .

    Some of these guys participate in the paying of the majority of the cost of the government , then they give even more to the candidate they want to win.


      What sort of participation does this leave the rest of us?

    Fairness isn't the satisfaction of jealousy, fairness is fair pay for good work, even if this results in unequal distribution.

      Government costs too much to be concerned with fairness.

[sirs]

Especially when that application of fairness has been so mutated

[Xavier_Onassis]

The mutation of fair pay for good work is mutated by the process of capitalism. The contribution to the society is largely unrelated to the compensation received. People who inherit money and invest it ( and I did invest some inherited money) do "good work" at best only by their choice of investments. Investing in casinos, tobacco, and in many cases weapons is hardly "good work". Entertainers, sports stars, many hedge fund managers are generally overpaid for any contributions they do.

Progressive taxation can allow the government to redirect money to building and maintaining roads and bridges schools and research for the benefit of the entire society.

[sirs]

Fairness mutated by the ravings of a hard core leftest.  Capitalism facilitates fairness.  It's why a neurosurgeon makes far more than a night manager at Wendy's.  Government can't and has no business trying to dictate winner and losers, based on the latest political correctness trend.  The greatest arbiter of fairness is the free market, where goods and services are payed for at market value.  Those prices that are over charging will not stay in business very long.  Those businesses that have found a good place, as it relates to services rendered, products produced, and salaries commensurate with generally happy employees, while still making a profit, are the businesses that will stay viable the longest. 

GREATER freedom for businesses, which includes LESS taxation, leads to business start up or expansion, which leads to greater employment, which in turns leads to greater tax revenues, that can then be used to help build and maintain roads, and bridges, and schools, and research, for the benefit of the entire society

[Xavier_Onassis]

Capitalism causes unfairness. Unfairness is what capitalism does best.

Explain why that brain surgeon makes only a fraction of what Rupert Murdock gets for just sitting on his ass.

[sirs]

Quite the polar opposite.  Not to mention there is no right to equal outcomes, nor can Government mandate such an absurd scenario.

And its the same rationale that has Soros making exponentially more for sitting on his ass