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The new low.
« on: September 10, 2008, 12:48:21 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/09/biden.special.needs/


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"Sen. John McCain's campaign rebuked Sen. Joe Biden on Tuesday, saying the Democratic vice presidential nominee had "sunk to a new low" by raising a debate over who cares more for special needs children."

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"Well, guess what, folks? If you care about it, why don't you support stem cell research?" asked Biden, the running mate of Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama.



All right , I am pretty sure that there is no potential for stem cell treatments to cure Downs syndrome , has anyone heard of a special need that is common amoung children that is adressable with stem cell treatments?

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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2008, 12:57:09 PM »
If we had elected Kerry/Edwards the lame would have walked again.

Now this.

Disgusting.

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2008, 01:02:50 PM »
Either one takes the attitude that one will enlist every possible advance in science in combating diseases and genetic defects, or one does not.

The GOP does not.

That is the point.

They favor some wacko meaningless principle over using science in every beneficial way.
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Re: The new low.
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2008, 01:05:54 PM »
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They favor some wacko meaningless principle over using science in every beneficial way.

The GOP does not stand in the way of stem cell research.

The federal govt just won't fund the embryonic portion of it.

Congress, controlled by the dems last i looked, could legislate funding if they wished.

Why haven't they?


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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2008, 01:32:03 PM »
D'oh



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Re: The new low.
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2008, 07:04:58 PM »
<<The GOP does not stand in the way of stem cell research.

<<The federal govt just won't fund the embryonic portion of it. >>

Not funding all or part of it on principle IS standing in the way of it.  Most people should be able to see that even if you can't.

Nobody knows where any research will ultimately lead.  If scientists working on problems of genetically-linked disease feel that they might benefit from stem-cell research, it is the government's job to find the funding for that research and see that it goes forward.  Nobody can guarantee that the research will or will not produce results.  If private industry will fund it, so much the better, if not, the government must step up to the plate.  By allowing religious dogma to block scientific progress, the GOP have shown themselves unworthy to lead.

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2008, 07:26:05 PM »
research in general is a funny thing
in most matter`s,there is no absolute outcome.
too many things effects results.
stemcells once was believed that fetuses are the only source to get them
now fat cells may become a source.
computer technology has stay relatively the same giving the impression it can`t do better in saving power.
than some dude wanting to make cheap computers for poor kids in africa accidentally made low power monitors and is totally changing the computer markets right now.
ex. netbooks.
we really shouldn`t believe things can`t do better
it`s all a matter of priority of thought.


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Re: The new low.
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2008, 07:37:56 PM »
>>Not funding all or part of it on principle IS standing in the way of it.<<

How does indifference stop you from funding this research?

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2008, 08:47:27 PM »
When it comes to scientific and technological discoveries, every restriction placed upon the scientist or researcher limits the discoveries and the innovations that can be made. Pure research, that is, research for the purpose of discovering how things work i9n general, is often quite productive, but since the direction that the productivity might take is unpredictable, corporations who want to develop something they can sell tend not to fund it. This is where public funding comes in.

It seems that stemcell research is less a barrier than it once was, but the fact is that no one was deliberately aborting fetuses to harvest them, they were just being tossed out with the biotrash. After the federal funding was banned, even more were thrown away. There was no advantage gained by anyone. It was just dumb, based on the stupidity of some preachers and their flunky, Juniorbush.


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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2008, 08:50:47 PM »
When it comes to scientific and technological discoveries, every restriction placed upon the scientist or researcher limits the discoveries and the innovations that can be made.

1 more time...NO ONE IS RESTRICTING WHAT THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY CAN DO AS IT RELATES TO RESEARCH.  They are not being banned or prevented from doing any R&D they want.  Simply that the Fed (we tax payers) aren't mandated or even obligated to pay for it.  But no one is restricting anything


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Re: The new low.
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2008, 08:57:27 PM »
>>When it comes to scientific and technological discoveries, every restriction placed upon the scientist or researcher limits the discoveries and the innovations that can be made.<<

What restriction are you talking about?

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2008, 09:12:07 PM »
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Not funding all or part of it on principle IS standing in the way of it.  Most people should be able to see that even if you can't.

Nonsense.

States can fund it University endowments can fund it. Congress has the opportunity to fund it each year.

I don't see anyone standing in the way of it.


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Re: The new low.
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2008, 09:17:15 PM »
What restriction are you talking about?

That would be the restriction on federal funding of stem cell research. You should read the whole post and then perhaps you will understand.

The greater the amount of money given to research, the more research gets done, as a rule.
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Re: The new low.
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2008, 09:25:31 PM »
>>That would be the restriction on federal funding of stem cell research.<<

How does that pose a restriction on research?

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2008, 09:31:20 PM »
but if it wasn`t for the ban wouldn`t it be unlikely for other research for alternate sources of stemcells to be made?

meaning one discovery will indermine others from being made.

just a theory.
I think hybrids and corn feul will hinder us from some serious alternate power discoveries.
note how non-existant about talks about other sources of power.
and the only reason we even do anyof this is because of the $70 fill-up
nothing more humbling than filling up your car and get very little change from a hundred dollar bill.
you know gas is expensive when using a hundred dollar bill does not make you a A-hole