The Enlightened and Tolerent hoisted by their own petard

[Plane]

I didn't know that , who announced it?

Nixon and his campaign manager. Reagan and his campaign manager.

They announced that they were going to do something positive for White supremacy?

[Xavier_Onassis]

They announced that they were going to do something positive for White supremacy?

They announced that they were going to try to get the votes of White supremecists in order to get elected. The kluxers had little choice: they could vote for Nixon or Reagan or a *gasp!* antiwar liberal, possibly a Black one.

And that is what they did. They voted for McCain, too, and you know it.

[BT]

They announced that they were going to try to get the votes of White supremecists in order to get elected

Who announced this?

Sounds like an urban legend to me.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am sure many things that are true sound like urban legends to you. Perhaps this is more of a rural legend.

[sirs]

Mr. Literal strikes again.  Perhaps you can actually produce a quote, to take out out of the realm of urban legend, and make it a fact, vs your repetative uncredible obvious references

[Xavier_Onassis]

Well, I looked it up in about three milliseconds, so it wasn't the well hidden "urban legend" you imagined it to be. Then I posted it all in its very own post, and behold: Wikipedia pretty much agrees with what I said about it.

Why would Reagan have gone, specifically, to Philadelphia Mississippi, if not to appeal to White Supremacists who were not even convicted until Reagan was out of office?

[sirs]

In other words, no quote to back up the asanine claim They announced that they were going to try to get the votes of White supremecists in order to get elected.  Kinda what I thought

[Xavier_Onassis]

Again,

Why would Reagan have gone, specifically, to Philadelphia Mississippi, if not to appeal to White Supremacists who were not even convicted until Reagan was out of office?

No presidential candidate is going to declare that they are catering to racists, but that does not mean that they did not troll for their votes. Going to Philadelphia, MS was a symbolic act to let it be understood that yes, we know how you decent upstandin' White folks felt when all then Nawthern agitaters come down to Mississippi to meddle in y'all's affairs and get the darkies all upset.

Why else did Reagan choose this specific place?

[sirs]

Again, no quote, or even innuendo.  Thank you

[Amianthus]

Again,

Why would Reagan have gone, specifically, to Philadelphia Mississippi, if not to appeal to White Supremacists who were not even convicted until Reagan was out of office?

Well, he had already been nominated by the RNC. Do you think that they would have voted for Carter if he had not gone to the county fair? Or was Carter's visit to the town where the KKK National Headquarters was located to give a speech also a coded message to the white supremacists?

[Xavier_Onassis]

In the case of the White Supremacists, it wasn't a case of voting for Carter or for Reagan, but voting for Reagan and not voting at all. The intent of the Reagan campaign was to get them to vote AGAINST Carter and the Democrats--the party that had betrayed White folks by admitting Black people to its membership.

It is normally easier to get people to vote against than to vote for someone or something.

Reagan and his staff would never admit that they were going to make things easier on White Supremacists, although that is what they did: no action was taken during the Reagan administration against the Mississippi Burning case. All Reagan had to do was to appoint good ol' local boys to the local FBI offices, just as he named anti-union people to the NLRB.

So when he is elected, there is no investigation because the locals do not see sufficient evidence. The anti-union NLRB staffers decide on behalf of the employers every time.

[Plane]

In the case of the White Supremacists, it wasn't a case of voting for Carter or for Reagan, but voting for Reagan and not voting at all. The intent of the Reagan campaign was to get them to vote AGAINST Carter and the Democrats--the party that had betrayed White folks by admitting Black people to its membership.

It is normally easier to get people to vote against than to vote for someone or something.

Reagan and his staff would never admit that they were going to make things easier on White Supremacists, although that is what they did: no action was taken during the Reagan administration against the Mississippi Burning case. All Reagan had to do was to appoint good ol' local boys to the local FBI offices, just as he named anti-union people to the NLRB.

So when he is elected, there is no investigation because the locals do not see sufficient evidence. The anti-union NLRB staffers decide on behalf of the employers every time.

What did Carter do about the Missippi burning case?

You are not makeing a strong case here , in my opinion.

That Reagan went to Philidelphia Missippi doesn't tell me about a decision of Nixions more than a decacade earlyer. There is a festaval there every year and politicians go where the crouds gather , if BHO goes there will that signify a southern strategy on his part?

Best of all, please read the article that you posted , in which the author states that the solid southwas converted from a bastion of Democrat power into a set of important swing states. This is a change in the state of the States , not in the partys .

Then here you say that

"wasn't a case of voting for Carter or for Reagan, but voting for Reagan and not voting at all."

So even as you make the case for "Southern Strategy " being real , you admit that it was passive ,and that Nixon or Reagan needed do nothing nor even promise anything to reap the effect.

So if the "Southern Strategy" isn't a myth what result did White supremicy harvest from it? Since FDR there have been more Republicans than Democrats , and Civil Rights advanced for Black people with either party in office.

To me it seems wrong for either party to claim too much credit , the big change happened in the grass roots.

[BT]

http://www.neshobacountyfair.org/history.html

[Xavier_Onassis]

So if the "Southern Strategy" isn't a myth what result did White supremicy harvest from it? Since FDR there have been more Republicans than Democrats , and Civil Rights advanced for Black people with either party in office.

To me it seems wrong for either party to claim too much credit , the big change happened in the grass roots.


It was not a myth. It was an intentional strategy. Reagan's apprearence in Philadelphia was symbolic, the symbolism being that the White supremacists did not have to stay at home or vote for a losing third party: they could vote for Ronald Reagan. What they got out of it was that during all of Reagan's term, racial crimes dating back to the 1960's were not prosecuted. This would have been different if different people had been appointed to local FBI offices.

The main factor in the end of white supremacy happened at the grass roots, of course, and it was caused by the death of the kluxers and supremacists due to old age and diseases than came with it. I suppose one could argue that moonshine and tobacco killed off more kluxers than anything else.

[Amianthus]

Reagan's apprearence in Philadelphia was symbolic, the symbolism being that the White supremacists did not have to stay at home or vote for a losing third party: they could vote for Ronald Reagan.

Jimmy Carter making speeches in the home town of the KKK Headquarters must have likewise been symbolic; the white supremacists could count on the southern Democrats to continue their support for racist policies.

Goes both ways.