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Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« on: May 08, 2010, 06:10:10 PM »
...for SCOTUS?
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2010, 01:42:57 PM »
It would seem so.  

Now time to get to the more important consideratins.  Nope, not her compotence or Judicial intellect.  Per Sen Schumer and company, it's her ideology that's most important.  Look forward to watching the rope-a-dope form of her not answering questions that would demonstrate just how far left she leans.  Likely contrary to her record and past rhetoric, look instead for alot of answers that reference how she does not support judicial activism.  She will likely claim support for a case by case ruling, and that past constitutional rulings are largely to be sacrosanct, thus RvW is to be off the table as far as consideration of any reviewing

Just MHO
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 02:14:36 PM »
Couple of points.

The President gets to appoint whom he wants to Scotus.

The Senate simply advises and consents. Unless something comes up in vetting she will probably be seated.

But there is a rope a dope to this.

If the GOP fights her it will be said they are against her because

a: She is a woman

or b: she is possibly gay

either one of those are losing propositions.

If the GOP wants to stop the formation of a more liberal court, their best bet is to recapture the Senate in 2010.




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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 03:40:22 PM »
Agreed on all counts.  The trick the GOP needs to be good on is educating the electorate
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 04:40:50 PM »
She ran military recruiters off the campus at Harvard.
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2010, 04:51:26 PM »
GOP needs to let the electorate know that.  You'll have the hard left saying...."So?  She should be made Chief Justice for that."  You'll have the majority of the rest of the country & electorate saying..."She did what??"
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 05:45:34 PM »
She ran military recruiters off the campus at Harvard.

Not quite accurate

Kagan briefly restricted (but did not eliminate) access to recruiters only after the U.S Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit ruled that law schools could do so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/us/politics/07kagan.html?hpw=&pagewanted=all


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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 06:06:12 PM »
Instead of taking cheap shots at military recruiters who were merely complying with the law, did Kagan ever exclude from campus any of the politicians responsible for the law? Of course not. Indeed, whatever moral opposition Kagan had to the law when it was adopted didn't deter her from seeking and obtaining employment in the Clinton White House. Nor will it keep her from palling around with the many senators who voted for it, such as Vice President Biden. Kagan engaged in her cheap moral posturing in the aftermath of 9/11, at a time when American soldiers were at war defending our freedom. Many important people are complicit in what Kagan regards as the "moral injustice of the first order" of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. The only ones Kagan sought to make pay a price were those serving the ranks of the military. So Kagan needs to be asked: Why doesn't this reflect hostility to the military?
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 06:13:40 PM »
Is she hostile to the military or is she hostile to the policy.

Even if she is hostile to the military establishment that does not translate to hostility to the rank and file in the military that is making the ultimate sacrifice.

No one at Harvard was denied access to recruiters. And when Scotus ruled against her and like minded school presidents recruiters were given back their office space.

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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 06:23:51 PM »
I guess that remains to be seen BT.

But yeah she may hide behind the mantra you mentioned of
"oh I love the rank & file... just hate the establishment".

And you can hide behind the "no one was denied access" BS
Kind of like Blacks weren't denied water with "black only" fountains.

Of course they were given their office space back after the 8-0 decision
or she would of got her ass kicked!

I cant wait to find out more about this leftist...I'm sure it will be interesting.
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2010, 07:06:30 PM »
She ran military recruiters off the campus at Harvard.

Not quite accurate  Kagan briefly restricted (but did not eliminate) access to recruiters only after the U.S Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit ruled that law schools could do so.

Meaning, if it weren't for the unanimous ruling of the most liberal appealate court in the country, she would have had her way of subverting the constitution & law, and would have had these military recruiters eliminated....especially made noteworthy in a time of war

Right?
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2010, 07:32:50 PM »
Here's some excerpts from her college thesis:

"In our own times, a coherent socialist movement is nowhere to be found in the United States. Americans are more likely to speak of a golden past than of a golden future, of capitalism's glories than of socialism's greatness. Conformity overrides dissent; the desire to conserve has overwhelmed the urge to alter. Such a state of affairs cries out for explanation. Why, in a society by no means perfect, has a radical party never attained the status of a major political force? Why, in particular, did the socialist movement never become an alternative to the nation's established parties?"(pp. 127)

"Through its own internal feuding, then, the SP exhausted itself forever and further reduced labor radicalism in New York to the position of marginality and insignificance from which it has never recovered. The story is a sad but also a chastening one for those who, more than half a century after socialism's decline, still wish to change America. Radicals have often succumbed to the devastating bane of sectarianism; it is easier, after all, to fight one's fellows than it is to battle an entrenched and powerful foe. Yet if the history of Local New York shows anything, it is that American radicals cannot afford to become their own worst enemies. In unity lies their only hope." (pp. 129-130)


Her political sympathies (at the time) seem quite clear -- and radical
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2010, 07:36:02 PM »
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2010, 08:40:16 PM »
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And you can hide behind the "no one was denied access" BS
Kind of like Blacks weren't denied water with "black only" fountains.

I'm not hiding behind anything. You don't like her, i get that.

The fact is that her role in banning military recruiters on campus has been exaggerated but if you want to go to war over it, have at it. It is highly doubtful it will affect her seating on the court, and I'll just sit this one out.

The GOP squandered their majority, lost the presidency and now must accept what is given to them up until the electorate sees fit to give them another chance and/ or they can make a rational argument that is convincing enough to the majority of americans as reflected in the polls that this is a bad choice.

Just remember she was already approved by this Senate once as Solicitor General.

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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2010, 08:58:25 PM »
The GOP squandered their majority, lost the presidency and now must accept
what is given to them up until the electorate sees fit to give them another chance
and/ or they can make a rational argument that is convincing enough to the majority
of americans as reflected in the polls that this is a bad choice


Exactly right BT....we can be defeatist or we can play hard ball
the Democrats as the minority have greatly influnced who was
appointed and not appointed to the US Supreme Court...I hope
we play just as hard as ball as they have played in the minority role.
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