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Title: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 18, 2016, 12:16:39 AM
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A Harvard psychologist says people judge you
based on 2 criteria when they first meet you


Business Insider By Jenna Goudreau

January 16, 2016 10:35 AM
 
People size you up in seconds, but what exactly are they evaluating?

Harvard Business School professor Amy Cuddy has been studying first impressions alongside fellow psychologists Susan Fiske and Peter Glick for more than 15 years, and has discovered patterns in these interactions.

In her new book, "Presence," Cuddy says people quickly answer two questions when they first meet you:

Can I trust this person?
Can I respect this person?

Psychologists refer to these dimensions as warmth and competence respectively, and ideally you want to be perceived as having both.

Interestingly, Cuddy says that most people, especially in a professional context, believe that competence is the more important factor. After all, they want to prove that they are smart and talented enough to handle your business.

But in fact warmth, or trustworthiness, is the most important factor in how people evaluate you. "From an evolutionary perspective," Cuddy says, "it is more crucial to our survival to know whether a person deserves our trust." It makes sense when you consider that in cavemen days it was more important to figure out if your fellow man was going to kill you and steal all your possessions than if he was competent enough to build a good fire.

Cuddy's new book explores how to feel more confident.

While competence is highly valued, Cuddy says it is evaluated only after trust is established. And focusing too much on displaying your strength can backfire.

Cuddy says MBA interns are often so concerned about coming across as smart and competent that it can lead them to skip social events, not ask for help, and generally come off as unapproachable.

These overachievers are in for a rude awakening when they don't get the job offer because nobody got to know and trust them as people.

"If someone you're trying to influence doesn't trust you, you're not going to get very far; in fact, you might even elicit suspicion because you come across as manipulative," Cuddy says.

"A warm, trustworthy person who is also strong elicits admiration, but only after you've established trust does your strength become a gift rather than a threat."

http://news.yahoo.com/harvard-psychologist-says-people-judge-153500132.html
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Plane on January 18, 2016, 01:47:17 AM
Hmmm...

A lot of that seems reasonable.

But isn't there a lot of variability , as each evaluator would be an individual person as much as each evaluate would also be?
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 19, 2016, 11:34:36 AM
But isn't there a lot of variability

Sure I would think so....
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 20, 2016, 11:43:23 AM
IQ tests only rate some of peoples reasoning skills, and a strange personality can sort of cancel that out. John Forbes Nash was truly brilliant, but he was a terrible teacher. Einstein was not much good at teaching undergrads, and did his best work in seminars with other physicists. I have read.

Do not confuse business skills and desireability of people to some company with actual reasoning skills. There is less than a major transference. Getting rich and being smart are not the same thing. As we can see from the idiotic crap that Trump spews.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Plane on January 20, 2016, 07:25:11 PM
Yes .

Sir Isaac Newton was antisocial and hard to get along with, he taught advanced classes , but was notoriously hard to understand.

Intelligence for teaching is somehow different than skill or intelligence in other areas.

Thus examples abound of great intellects that  were poor teachers.

But when a grand intellect is combined with teaching skill and social skill , Socrates perhaps, the combination is extremely powerful.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 21, 2016, 01:04:53 PM
Carl Sagan, Riard Fineman and Neil De Grasse Tyson  are examples of great intellects that are also great teachers, as is Bill Nye.

There are a lot of effective teachers among the televangelists, but what they teach is largely nonsense.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Plane on January 23, 2016, 07:18:28 PM
You had a lot of classroom experience.

What sort of qualities make a person a good student?

What sort of qualities make a person a good teacher?

Are these different or related skill sets?


Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 27, 2016, 11:22:17 AM
The best students are those that (1) are intellectually curious and (2) realize that knowledge is always superior to ignorance. The best students are those who study regularly rather than just cramming before exams. The best students are those who can see how  all subjects are interconnected in some way or another.

Effective teaching involves promoting regular study and enthusiasm for the subject they are teaching. Most college professors that have not taught in pre college have no real preparation as teachers -- no methodology courses, other than perhaps some experience as teaching assistants, which generally meet perhaps once a month with their supervisors. That does not mean they are all incompetent. Many have seen effective teaching methods used in their other courses. But a course in methodology in the specific discipline or two: particularly as a seminar on Best Practices, is seriously needed by most people who teach college.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Plane on January 27, 2016, 07:49:42 PM
  I like this , I might vote for a candidate who understood this,  this way.

  I notice that you mention enthusiasm but not intelligence, do you think good attitude more important than native ability?
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 28, 2016, 12:23:09 AM
Intelligence is important, but those who are intellectually curious are generally ,more intelligent than those who are not. 
No one rates people by their IQ on first meeting: they would have no idea what it was, in any case.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: kimba1 on February 08, 2016, 10:38:26 AM
I tend to let my work speak for itself and people somehow still think I'm intelligent. I wish people trust me less so I do less stuff. I found my desire to not do stuff makes people trust me more
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on February 08, 2016, 03:50:00 PM
Getting rich and being smart are not the same thing.

Absolutely!....but it also depends how one defines "smart".

If we are talking just IQ, yes I probably make more than millions of people with a higher IQ & that's no accident.

There are guitar teachers in every Guitar World store that can probably play better than many
rock stars....but financial success can be a lot more than just technical skill...it can sometimes be
about the "wont take no for an answer" pursuit of something.

Average intelligence people can find their niche & be more driven, passionate,
& be better at something than someone with a higher IQ that maybe is short on other skills.

High IQ people can be "dumb" on people skills, "dumb" on common sense, "dumb" on vision, etc...

That's what makes America great....
we are almost all blessed with some type of skill
and no matter what the God given skills a person is blessed with
they can pursue their dreams here better than most places on earth...
and that's why so many come here vs anywhere else on earth.
Let Freedom Ring!

Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: kimba1 on February 08, 2016, 04:49:44 PM
might be related to this. but the greatest american sucess story is this family with no known talent except constant unending hard work at branding thier life has made a fortune for themselves. not even likeable.

khardashians
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on February 08, 2016, 05:27:03 PM
True Kimba....although they are more the extreme oddity.

I know lots of just average everyday people that thru hard work have "made it"
many of them did not attend college and have average intelligence
they just found their niche and excel at it.

i know one guy that all he does is landscape lighting
he never attended college....average IQ
but he is a super energetic, really good with people, & will do just about anything to make the customer happy.
he works mainly alone....and a typical job is about $1000...his parts on that may be $300...so he pockets about $700 a day.
again no college....no high IQ.....no wealthy family.... he makes about $500-$800 a day.
but he works his ass off....backs up his work....is on time rain or shine....and has zero flakiness

another lady I know
no high school diploma, no college
cleans houses by herself
cleans two houses a day at about $100-$150 for each house per day
the home owner supplies all cleaning materials
so this lady makes between $200-$275 per day
she works her ass off....and also zero flakiness

Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on February 08, 2016, 05:29:22 PM
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Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on February 08, 2016, 05:55:01 PM
The Kardasians are like the Gabor sisters (Eva, Zsa Zsa and another one)  They are famous for being famous. Of course, it did take rather a lot of plastic surgery to upholster Kim's butt and lips.

Zsa Zsa did make some movies and married nine men. She will be 99 this year and is still alive, though she lost one leg and might not be kicking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zsa_Zsa_Gabor

Zsa Zsa was Miss Hungary in 1936. The third much lesser known Gabor was Magda. Before I looked it up, I never knew her name.


Kim Kardassian has made some forgettable films and TV shows.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: kimba1 on February 08, 2016, 06:29:16 PM
I know somebody recently who owned alittle shop and shut it down last year to be a tour guide he noticed people for years asking him where to go and finally made the leap and he always makes over $200 a day and this more than enough for him. He simply notice he had bankable knowledge finallt used it.

It required no education but knowledge he acquired living in san francisco. I only know foodspots from my experience but due to my exotic taste Im not sure how profitable it is. Ex. I like fried pork neckbone and roasted crab. I noticed very few people share my taste for lamb
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on February 09, 2016, 09:19:11 AM
There is a book out about how people acquire a taste for food. It turns out that taste preferences start in the womb. If the mother eats garlic, there will be garlic in the amniotic fluid and the baby will be born with a preference for garlic.  Dominicans have a taste for guandules (pigeon peas) and rice. It is vastly more bland a dish than Cajun style red beans and rice.  I love guacamole, but none of my Dominican friends can stand it. It is too spicy for them, even when I leave the chili out.

I love trying new foods and dishes. The only new foods I have not liked are Korean hotpot dishes, because they are too hot to taste anything.
My face turned purple when I forced myself to eat this.  Apparently, Koreans get a high from extremely hot foods, but all I get is a burning sensation.

Most Americans cannot cook lamb or goat worth a damn, so they cannot appreciate it. It tends to be a bit greasy, and you need to deal with that by making the grease taste better. Generally this involves spices Americans  are unfamiliar with.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on February 09, 2016, 04:04:00 PM
It turns out that taste preferences start in the womb. If the mother eats garlic, there will be garlic in the amniotic fluid and the baby will be born with a preference for garlic.

so lets not abort them!
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: sirs on February 09, 2016, 04:13:47 PM
....and how about the IQ of those folks at NARAL, who are having a literal coniption about the Doritos Superbowl Commercial, which dared to "humanize a fetus"      ::)
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on February 09, 2016, 07:22:22 PM
I aally do not care about Superboweis or Superbowel commercials.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: sirs on February 09, 2016, 07:37:43 PM
Lol.....ummm, ok.  Apparently cared enough to respond with an "I don't care", but ok.     ;D
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on February 10, 2016, 10:11:50 AM
Now you know that I don't care.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: sirs on February 10, 2016, 10:29:37 AM
And twice now, you've cared enough to proclaim you don't care.  Truly illuminating
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on February 10, 2016, 11:46:28 AM
More illuminating is your bothering to find it significant.

My lack of enthusiasm for the Superbowl is of no real consequence to anyone but me.
Title: Re: I always knew IQ was over-rated in many instances
Post by: sirs on February 10, 2016, 12:21:49 PM
lol.....and yet, you keep bringing it up....now for the 3rd time.  Perhaps your conscience really does want to support NARAL's idiocy, but you're trying to suppress it     ;)