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Commemorating Israel?s Creation
By Benjamin Netanyahu
FrontPageMagazine.com | 12/12/2007
The UN resolution of November 29, 1947, recognizing a Jewish state was an important moment in the history of our nation, and an important moment in the history of all nations.
Since then, we have made peace with Egypt and Jordan, but the obstacle to widening the circle of peace remains what it has always been: the refusal of Israel's enemies to recognize the Jewish State in any borders.
Our enemies do not want an Arab state next to Israel. They want an Arab state instead of Israel.
Time and again they were offered an Arab state next to Israel: first, in the partition plan of 1947; then, indirectly, in the Oslo accords; later, unequivocally, at Camp David in 2000; and finally, in the countless declarations since then by both Israeli and international leaders which have called for two states for two peoples.
And how did our enemies respond to these offers? Time and again they violently rejected them. In 1947, they launched terror attacks and then an all out war to annihilate the Jewish state. During the Oslo peace process, they terrorized Israel with suicide bombers; after Camp David, they orchestrated the Second Intifadah in which over 1,000 Israelis were murdered; since then they have fired thousands of Katushya rockets on the Galilee and thousands of Kassam rockets on the Western Negev in order, they say, "to liberate occupied Palestine" ? in other words, "occupied" Haifa, "occupied" Acre, "occupied" Sderot and "occupied" Ashkelon.
In doing so, Hezbollah and Hamas are merely following the words of Jamal Husseini, a cousin of the Mufti and a member of the Arab High Committee, who said four days before the UN partition vote: "Palestine will be filled with blood and fire if the Jews receive even a part of it."
Regrettably, even the more moderate Palestinians refuse to support making peace with Israel as a Jewish state. They support two states for one people: A Palestinian state cleansed of Jews, and a bi-national state that they hope to flood with Palestinians according to what they call the "right of return."
Until they truly recognize and internalize the right of the Jewish people to a state of their own and until their leaders show the courage of President Anwar Sadat of Egypt and King Hussein of Jordan, it is doubtful that we will have a real partner for a genuine peace.
In this context, we can understand what happened ? and what didn't happen ? with the adoption of the UN partition resolution in 1947.
The resolution did not fix for all time the contours of a final settlement between us and our neighbors. After all, the Arabs rejected the establishment of a Jewish state and sought to destroy it. The day after the vote the Mufti himself said, "what the UN wrote in black ink, we will write in red blood."
Arab leaders cannot come today, 60 years later, and demand to turn back the clock as if nothing happened. They cannot demand that we accept an agreement that they themselves tore to shreds because, having failed to destroy Israel, they have now concluded that its provisions would spell Israel's doom.
Ben Gurion understood this well when he said in one of the first meetings of the government of Israel: "The decisions of November 29 are dead. The borders of partition are dead. Jerusalem as an 'international city' is a mere fantasy." He repeated these ideas in his speech to the Knesset on December 12th, 1949 when he said that the UN decision was null and void.
Thus, neither the borders of partition nor the internationalization of Jerusalem are the enduring features of the UN vote.
What is enduring is the international recognition of the right of the Jewish people to their own state, a right anchored in the Balfour Declaration which recognized the right of the Jews to a national home in the Land of Israel and which was reaffirmed by both the San Remo conference in 1920 and by the League of Nations in 1922.
But the UN partition vote is seared in our memory because immediately following the vote Britain began to leave the country, opening the way to the fateful battle that almost snuffed out our existence.
The UN partition vote did not establish the state of Israel. It merely recognized the historic right of the Jewish people to return to their homeland and restore their sovereign existence.
But had it not been for the millennial longing of the Jewish people for the land of Israel, the continuous presence of Jews here across the centuries and the seventy years of intensive Jewish settlement in the land that preceded the UN vote, this historic right would never have been realized.
And even these would not have sufficed had not the sons of a tiny nation, in the wake of the horrific Holocaust, raised the sword of the Macabees and with incomparable heroism repelled an Arab onslaught that was about to overwhelm the fledgling state.
The enduring belief in our historic national rights, the settlement effort that realized those rights and the military struggle that defended them? these are what established the Jewish state.
The UN vote merely gave international recognition to this. Yet the UN vote was an important and historic decision, and it is right that we commemorate that vote today with the distinguished ambassadors of the nations that supported it.
But consider this: What would have happened to the UN decision if we would have been defeated in the War of Independence?
The key to Israel's existence has always been rooted in strengthening Zionism and our ability to defend ourselves - and this remains the key to our existence and the key to forging a genuine peace with all our Arab neighbors. Only when some of them recognized Israel's permanence and indestructibility did they reconcile themselves to making peace with us.
That is why I was shocked to hear in the press that the prime minister said: "If there will not be two states, Israel is finished."
Mr. Prime Minister: The state of Israel will never be finished! Our fate will be determined by us, and us alone!
Our existence does not depend on the willingness of the Palestinians to make peace with us. Our existence is secured by our right to live in this land and our capacity to defend that right.
We built up our country for 31 years before the peace agreement with Egypt, we continued to build it for another 16 years before the peace agreement with Jordan, and I hope we will not wait long before we can achieve a peace agreement with the Palestinians and with others in the Arab world.
But we do not condition our existence on their agreement. That was the policy of all Israeli governments until now, and it must be the policy of all Israeli governments in the future. Let me repeat: Our fate will be determined by us and us alone!
In the Middle East, peace and security go hand-in-hand. In fact security, which stems from Israel's strength, precedes peace and peace agreements. Whoever does not understand this will be left without security and without peace.
Only a strong Israel, confident in the justice of its cause and led by a strong leadership, will be able to achieve the lasting peace with our neighbors for which we all yearn.
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We built up our country for 31 years before the peace agreement with Egypt, we continued to build it for another 16 years before the peace agreement with Jordan, and I hope we will not wait long before we can achieve a peace agreement with the Palestinians and with others in the Arab world.
But we do not condition our existence on their agreement. That was the policy of all Israeli governments until now, and it must be the policy of all Israeli governments in the future. Let me repeat: Our fate will be determined by us and us alone!
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What an excellent idea! Let us end all US aid and tax breaks for Israel, and make them stand on their own four feet. No more begging, no more aid. It will teach them character. They have been beggars long enough.
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We built up our country for 31 years before the peace agreement with Egypt, we continued to build it for another 16 years before the peace agreement with Jordan, and I hope we will not wait long before we can achieve a peace agreement with the Palestinians and with others in the Arab world.
But we do not condition our existence on their agreement. That was the policy of all Israeli governments until now, and it must be the policy of all Israeli governments in the future. Let me repeat: Our fate will be determined by us and us alone!
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What an excellent idea! Let us end all US aid and tax breaks for Israel, and make them stand on their own four feet. No more begging, no more aid. It will teach them character. They have been beggars long enough.
If Palestinians were entirely cut off at the same time, this would be a really good idea.
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<<If Palestinians were entiely cut off t te same time, this would be a really good idea.>>
I thought the Palestinians already WERE cut off.
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<<If Palestinians were entiely cut off t te same time, this would be a really good idea.>>
I thought the Palestinians already WERE cut off.
Far from it, have they any income greater than foreign aid?
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<<Far from it, have they any income greater than foreign aid?>>
What foreign aid?
<<The PNA previously received considerable financial assistance from the European Union and the United States (approximately USD $1,000,000,000 combined in 2005), but both suspended all direct aid on April 7, 2006 (as threatened in January 2006 and following Canada's March 29, 2006 decision to cut all aid) as a result of the Hamas victory in parliamentary elections.>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority#Threats_of_cutting_funds_following_January_2006_legislative_elections
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Basically, the Palestinians do not receive diddly. Perhaps a few leaders receive a pittance here or there from Saudi Arabia or the Gulf States, but this benefits the people very little.
So now it's time to cut off Israel. Let them stand on their own, tall and proud and unbeggarly for the first time in 60 years.
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Basically, the Palestinians do not receive diddly. Perhaps a few leaders receive a pittance here or there from Saudi Arabia or the Gulf States, but this benefits the people very little.
So now it's time to cut off Israel. Let them stand on their own, tall and proud and unbeggarly for the first time in 60 years.
The diddly they do get seems to include a lot of weapons now and then , not enough to ever win but that isn't the point , no one except some of the Palestinians themselves wants them to win.
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Basically, the Palestinians do not receive diddly. Perhaps a few leaders receive a pittance here or there from Saudi Arabia or the Gulf States, but this benefits the people very little.
So now it's time to cut off Israel. Let them stand on their own, tall and proud and unbeggarly for the first time in 60 years.
The diddly they do get seems to include a lot of weapons now and then , not enough to ever win but that isn't the point , no one except some of the Palestinians themselves wants them to win.
Why not?
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Basically, the Palestinians do not receive diddly. Perhaps a few leaders receive a pittance here or there from Saudi Arabia or the Gulf States, but this benefits the people very little.
So now it's time to cut off Israel. Let them stand on their own, tall and proud and unbeggarly for the first time in 60 years.
The diddly they do get seems to include a lot of weapons now and then , not enough to ever win but that isn't the point , no one except some of the Palestinians themselves wants them to win.
Why not?
Keeping this pot boiling is very politicicly usefull , what would justify an austerity like the Palestianians have to deal with if they had won?
What would justify despotism in the middle east at all after a Palestinian win?
Something politically usefull would have to be found or invented.
A real Palestinian win would look like what anyway?
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You answered my question with a smattering of questions.
Please answer mine first. Why would it matter if the Palestinians "won?"
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You answered my question with a smattering of questions.
Please answer mine first. Why would it matter if the Palestinians "won?"
Keeping this pot boiling is very politicicly usefull,after a military or political "win",something politically usefull would have to be found or invented to replace the Palestinian plight.
All of the despots that use the plight of Palestine as justifacation for their repressive regimes existance and exploitation would have no use for a successfull Palestine , nor is there any means for a successfull Palestine to exist.
If Every Jew in Israel were to misteriously evaporate one night , the Palestinians would celegbrate for a month and starve to death in five years.
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The Palestinians are used by a lot of people. And there is a symbiosis between them and the Israelis, true. I think your statement is coarse, but the truth is that Jews don't have to "evaporate" for Palestinians to live a normal life. Just as white South Africans do not have to evaporate for blacks to live a better life.
Why support any regime that blatantly supports itself through the purposeful deprivation and humiliation of another people? The Nationalist Party in South Africa, the White Citizens Councils in the South, the Fascists throughout Latin America, the European Imperialists in Africa were no different.
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Keeping the pot boiling is certainly useful for some folks who don't share the Palestinians' pain, but the pot don't boil if the Palestinians themselves don't keep the fire going. Are they all so fucking stupid that they keep boiling the pot for the benefit of those who live and thrive by exploiting their plight?
I think plane's problem is, one, that he objectifies the Palestinians. He's been brainwashed into thinking of them as a mass of ignorant fanatics, so he interprets their actions according to the template of the Zionist propaganda machine - - irrational pointless violence, killing merely for the sake of killing, etc. His second problem is the typically American inability to see "foreigners" as human beings every bit as rational, courageous, spiteful, angry and violent as Americans or anybody else would be in similar circumstances. For plane, living under a 40-year military occupation is no excuse for violence, irrationality, hatred, etc. The Palestinians should somehow accept their lot as deserved (even though it violates about sixty different UN resolutions and no other people on earth would put up with it.) It's this stubborn inability to acknowledge the obvious, that people living under military occupation find ways to resist, that the ways are often violent, that the seeming inability to free oneself through violent reaction does not lead to a passive acceptance of a victim's fate, but (for some people, the real fighters, at least) just spurs them to continue the armed struggle.
I believe in the ultimate victory of the Palestinians for the same reason that I believed in the ultimate victory of the Viet Cong - - because I have faith in human nature. I know that people who fight to free themselves from tyranny and oppression will ultimately win their freedom, either in death as martyrs and heroes or in life as victors. It's a pattern that's been repeated over and over again throughout recorded history. It's a victory that Amerikkka with all it weapons, its lies and its ruthlessness can not hold back.
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Are they all so fucking stupid that they keep boiling the pot for the benefit of those who live and thrive by exploiting their plight?
Maybe they're as stupid as American workers.
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<<Maybe they're as stupid as American workers.>>
Apples and oranges. They're each confronting very different issues.