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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2013, 12:00:44 PM »
Is that one of the other reasons there's such a knee jerk negative reaction to competition in schools......the ignorant notion that there has to be a loser??

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There is ALWAYS a loser when you have a competition. Usually one winner and many losers.

There do not need to be ANY losers at all. In other countries they manage quite well to focus on educating ALL the children without focusing on winners and losers.

Take traditional HS athletics: you have several teams, baseball, football, basketball, track. Maybe together they have 10% of the student body, but the get 90% of the attention, equipment, expenditures. The fat kids, the scrawny kids, the kids with  poor coordination... they get no attention at all, and THEY are the ones who need the exercise.

HS teachers do not control the curriculum, school boards do, by the way. And most of the teachers are not bad teachers. Whet sucks is the way the curriculum is devised. In Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Germany and other countries, HS graduates leave schoo;l very fluent in English: in the US, very few manage to become fluent. The fault is NOT the teachers, it is the curriculum: the idea that foreign language fluency can be achieved in a regular classroom for 45 minutes a day for two or three years is a faulty one. In Sweden and the Netherlands, subject material classes in sciences, math and such are taught in English. Nearly the entire country is bilingual.
We do not have teachers that can teach anything but foreign languages in anything other than English.

Stupid sirs would have us ban all unions from schools and fire any teachers who are not asshole Republicant's. Like that would work.
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2013, 03:43:41 PM »
Is that one of the other reasons there's such a knee jerk negative reaction to competition in schools......the ignorant notion that there has to be a loser??

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There is ALWAYS a loser when you have a competition.

And the poor children, with their all too fragile self esteem just wouldn't be able to handle that they didn't win??  Is it any wonder our Public School system is such a failure.  At least Kimba's got the right mindset, that those competing are all winners.  Cudos, Kimba

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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2013, 04:53:57 PM »
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2013, 05:07:47 PM »
And take a guess as to which party is predominantly in charge of "the curriculum" that xo was placing so much blame of our public school system failures upon
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2013, 07:40:19 PM »
mONOPOLYS THAT CAN STIFLE COMPETITION DO NOT NEED TO PRODUCE A GOOD PRODUCT , THEY NEED TO SQUASH THE BETTER PRODUCT PRODUCERS.

cOMPETITION BETWEEN PRODUCERS AND PROVIDERS DRIVES DOWN PRICE AND DRIVES UP QUALITY, WHY IS SCHOOLING SUPPOSED TO OPERATE IN A DIFFRENT UNIVERSE?

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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2013, 05:26:02 AM »
Spot on, Plane     8)
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2013, 09:57:47 AM »
Competition between providers of goods and services is not the same as unnecessary competition between schoolchildren.

Again, the real competition in education is between knowledge and ignorance, not between children.

There is not a problem if Toyota crushes Nissan's tender young ego, sending it into fits of despair and rejection.

Children and their education is NOT LIKE the hawking of consumer products.
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2013, 11:47:47 AM »
Unnecessary to whom??  The unions yea.  as Plane points out, removing competition from them, squashes any need for teachers to improve how to perform their curriculum
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2013, 12:58:08 PM »
Teachers are CONSTANTLY trying to improve their efficiency. I do not know of one single teacher I have ever worked with that did not try new techniques all the time. Unions do not develop curriculum, Unions have the function of collectively bargaining  and enforcing the terms of contracts. I belonged to the NEA when I taught in Washington State, and the union never made any suggestions as to what I could or could not do in the classroom. The issues were pay, benefits, classroom size and extracurricular duties, none of which had a single thing to deal with the curriculum.

Quite simply, sirs, you are full of shit and have no goddamned clue about education. A true lumpenproletarian droid, you believe ever shovelfull of crap the Oigarchy flings your way.
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2013, 01:26:06 PM »
Never said they weren't.  The problem is the many teachers who don't, and have no need to, since they have no competition to improve in any way. 

Quite simply Xo, you're so blinded in your ideology, and have drowned in so much Obama coolaide, you're clueless to current realty as to why our Public Education system, is such an utter failure, despite the billions of $$$$ we pump into it
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2013, 09:35:10 AM »
There is no ideology, you spectacularly ignorant shit.
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2013, 11:00:49 AM »
Xo response SOP

#1 - argue points never made
#2 - try to change the subject
#3 - launch personal insults
#4 - repeat
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2013, 11:10:32 AM »
What happened to no child left behind, didn't that solve all the problems? What about Hollywood Ronny, couldn't he fix this? Since 1980 we've had 20 years of Republican presidents and they couldn't solve these problems?

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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2013, 11:17:19 AM »
Probably because Democrats & the unions have been controlling the curriculums, for over 20years, and the cries of still more money haven't done a damn thing.  So don't even go "we just haven't invested enough" there
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Re: Why is this minority filled school not in the news
« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2013, 03:58:58 PM »
The fact is that in my field, foreign language instruction, there are not enough language labs, nor are there a sufficient number of qualified language teachers to even come close to teaching any useful fluency in any FL.

All of Western Europe is  ahead of the US. We are perhaps on a par with maybe, Bulgaria.

There are no Liberal, Conservative or any other groups, other than language teachers themselves, that even have a clue as to how to graduate bilingual and trilingual American students. The professional organizations, AATSP, AATG, AATF all see change as unlikely and impossible.

"I took Spanish in High School, but I can't remember a thing," "No problemo" and "Correctamundo" are almost national slogans. Note: the latter two are NEVER uttered by native speakers, except when poking fun at monolingual Americans.
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