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Dozens of Amish mourn schoolhouse killer
« on: October 08, 2006, 09:49:08 AM »
By MARK SCOLFORO, Associated Press Writer

GEORGETOWN, Pa. - Dozens of Amish neighbors came out Saturday to mourn the quiet milkman who killed five of their young girls and wounded five more in a brief, unfathomable rampage.

Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, was buried in his wife's family plot behind a small Methodist church, a few miles from the one-room schoolhouse he stormed Monday.

His wife, Marie, and their three small children looked on as Roberts was buried beside the pink, heart-shaped grave of the infant daughter whose death nine years ago apparently haunted him, said Bruce Porter, a fire department chaplain from Colorado who attended the service.

About half of perhaps 75 mourners on hand were Amish.

"It's the love, the forgiveness, the heartfelt forgiveness they have toward the family. I broke down and cried seeing it displayed," said Porter, who had come to Pennsylvania to offer what help he could. He said Marie Roberts was also touched.

"She was absolutely deeply moved, by just the love shown," Porter said.

Leaders of the local Amish community were gathering Saturday afternoon at a firehouse to decide the future of the schoolhouse, and of the school year itself.

The prevailing wisdom suggested a new school would be built.

"There will definitely be a new school built, but not on that property," said Mike Hart, a spokesman for the Bart Fire Company in Georgetown.

Roberts stormed the West Nickel Mines Amish School on Monday, releasing the 15 boys and four adults before tying up and shooting the 10 girls. Roberts, who had come armed with a shotgun, a handgun and a stun gun, then killed himself.

Roberts' suicide notes and last calls with his wife reveal a man tormented by memories — as yet unsubstantiated — of molesting two young relatives 20 years ago. He said he was also angry at God for the Nov. 14, 1997, death of the couple's first child, a girl named Elise Victoria who lived for just 20 minutes.

Hart is one of two non-Amish community members serving on a 10-member board that will decide how to distribute donations that have come in following the global news coverage. One stranger walked into the firehouse Saturday morning and dropped a $100 bill in the collection jar.

The condolences flowing into the Bart Post Office filled three large cartons on Saturday — two for the Amish children and one for the Roberts clan.

"(It's) envelopes, packages, food and a lot of cards," clerk Helena Salerno said.

More than $500,000 has been pledged, some of which is expected to cover medical costs for the five surviving girls. They remain hospitalized, and one is said to be in grave condition.

As the Sabbath Day approached, close friends expected to spend Sunday paying visits to the victims' families.

The funerals for the five slain girls — Marian Fisher, 13; Anna Mae Stoltzfus, 12; Naomi Rose Ebersol, 7, and sisters Mary Liz Miller, 8, and Lena Miller, 7 — were held Thursday and Friday.

One Amish woman, an aunt to the Miller girls, set out Saturday to retrieve some of the flowers dropped near the school and bring them to the families.

She was traveling on an Amish scooter and tried to balance two potted plants before going home and returning for the task with a child's small wagon.

The massacre sent out images to the world not only of the violence, but also of a little-known community that chooses to live an insular, agrarian way of life, shunning cars, electricity and other modern conveniences.

By Saturday, the hordes of satellite trucks and stand-up reporters had mostly left the country roads, and a semblance of routine returned. Early in the morning, Amish farmers hauled farm equipment past the boarded-up school.

"It was just getting to be too much," said Jane Kreider, a 48-year-old teacher's aide in Georgetown. "It was just, 'Get out of dodge, get out of our town and we'll pull together.'"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061008/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting_241
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Re: Dozens of Amish mourn schoolhouse killer
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2006, 04:18:39 AM »
The Amish and Mennonites have delt with severe hardships before, there was a community of them in Russia during WWI and the Revolution , they were badly treated by one side or another the whole time.


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Re: Dozens of Amish mourn schoolhouse killer
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2006, 01:55:41 PM »
they`re soo misunderstood.
ex. they`re not anti-technology.
just that they follow and very stricty code.
almost everything is self contained
and most modern tech is not.
theirs a show called amish in the city and those amish kids were way more level headed than the city kids
but those kids are technically amish outcast.

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Re: Dozens of Amish mourn schoolhouse killer
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2006, 07:09:38 PM »
theirs a show called amish in the city and those amish kids were way more level headed than the city kids
but those kids are technically amish outcast.

They weren't outcast, they were on their "rumschpringe."

ex. they`re not anti-technology.
just that they follow and very stricty code.
almost everything is self contained
and most modern tech is not.

Any individual can petition to the church leaders of their district to have items accepted. Electricity and electrical appliances are generally not used because it would require a reliance on the "English" (outsiders) for the electrical supply. Self contained is not a requirement, but self contained is easier to get approved by the church.
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Re: Dozens of Amish mourn schoolhouse killer
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2006, 07:16:18 PM »
rumschpringe."??????????

I though they were really casted out.

I know about rumschpringe.

these were not.

the amish community were abit put off they were even called amish.



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Re: Dozens of Amish mourn schoolhouse killer
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2006, 09:05:37 PM »
rumschpringe."??????????

I though they were really casted out.

"This show follows Amish youth in a rite of passage known as rumspringa which means 'running wild'. Amish people at the age of 16 leave their homes and communities and test the outside world and enjoy the things forbidden in the Amish world. They must then determine whether or not to return to the Amish life. This show follows five Amish and five non-Amish living together in this process."
http://www.tv.com/amish-in-the-city/show/28781/summary.html
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Re: Dozens of Amish mourn schoolhouse killer
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2006, 01:37:47 AM »
http://ncrcafe.org/node/513

Sister Joan Chittester on the Amish and their example to us.   
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Re: Dozens of Amish mourn schoolhouse killer
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2006, 02:19:02 PM »
ANd an article from Townhall, where the author basically says the Amish are naive, or something, for forgiving this man.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=undeserved_forgiveness&ns=JeffJacoby&dt=10/09/2006&page=full&comments=true
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Re: Dozens of Amish mourn schoolhouse killer
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2006, 05:24:12 PM »
about the kids in amish in the city

thats strange I remember several times in the news people stating those kids are not real amish

but I checked wiki those kids decided not to return to their community

their will be in the future a recap of those kids to see the outcome.

on the article about forgiveness.
I say they are better people than me.
it is not naive
history has proven non-violence does work.
even that writer half-heartedly respected them.