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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #345 on: May 30, 2011, 03:27:16 PM »
Quote from: sirs on May 30, 2011, 03:22:59 PM
You seem to want to make it U.S. Government alone.  I'm referring to all Governments

What control do we have over other governments donations and aid giving?
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #346 on: May 30, 2011, 03:57:08 PM »
None.  If all agree, none is provided.  All is all (and no, I'm again not referring to private donations, so you can cease in implying that route)
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #347 on: May 30, 2011, 04:19:47 PM »
Seems like you are setting conditions that are destined to fail as we have no control over what other sovereign countries do.

Best to concentrate on the things we as voters can control.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #348 on: May 30, 2011, 04:21:41 PM »
Not at all.......advocation is advocation.  I for one, don't support unilateral disarmament.  Never have
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #349 on: May 30, 2011, 05:05:23 PM »
I agree that the US could cut off all aid, at least in theory. How we could get the Saudis, the Kuwaitis, the Brits, and everyone else to do so seems very problematical.

Getting the US to deny aid to Israel ( even if it included cutting off aid to Palestine) would be an extreme radical departure from current policy: far more extreme than just telling Netanyahu that the talks should be about pre-1967 borders with mutually agreed land swaps". Israels' budget depends on handouts from the US.

The latter sounds to me as perfectly reasonable. Note please that Netanyahu did not choose to define what he actually DID want.

Other than to show the folks back home that our Congress is a whimpering bunch of toadies, that is.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #350 on: May 30, 2011, 05:12:51 PM »
"deny" tends to imply that aide is supposed/expected to be provided.  Since its neither, I'd opine that its the wrong word to use
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #351 on: May 30, 2011, 07:24:52 PM »
"deny" tends to imply that aide is supposed/expected to be provided...."


If you're talking about our aide to Israel, it is both supposed and expected. We've been in bed with Israel since 1948. Of course the expect our aide.

As I've said several times. They've had 60 years to straighten this out. They haven't. Why continue to throw good money after bad? I don't run my affairs that why. You, and your conservative friends, don't like doing it when it comes to what you perceive as failing social programs. Why do it for Israel? Why do it for some country who sends their leader over here only to publicly lecture the President of the United States? It's time to cut bait.  There is nothing special about Israel anymore. Those days are gone. 


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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #352 on: May 30, 2011, 07:37:50 PM »
"deny" tends to imply that aide is supposed/expected to be provided.  Since its neither, I'd opine that its the wrong word to use

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Yeah, right. Every Channukah, the US ambassador pops into Netanyahu's office with a package, and Bibi opens is and says "Look what those nice Americans gave us! Four billion dollars and five jet fighters! Awwww, you shouldn't have!"

The US gave Israel $89 billion up through 2004. my opinion is that they have come to expect money, anfd they wpould agree that "deny" would be an entirely accurate word to describe what we would do if we cut them off.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #353 on: May 30, 2011, 11:57:14 PM »
Not really
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #354 on: May 31, 2011, 12:09:49 AM »
Quote from: BT on May 30, 2011, 01:15:01 PM
Seems the only thing both sides in this forum (excluding Henny) have agreed upon is that aid to the Middle east should stop. It would be interesting to see what road that leads to when when it does stop.

Henny agrees to that, as long as it includes Israel.

But fat chance - G8 pledged to give 20 Billion just to Egypt and Tunisia. A heft chunk of that will be US tax dollars.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #355 on: May 31, 2011, 12:50:14 AM »
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Breakout Kings

WHy wouldn't it include Israel?
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #356 on: May 31, 2011, 02:58:03 AM »
Quote from: BT on May 31, 2011, 12:50:14 AM
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WHy wouldn't it include Israel?

Just a matter of labeling - Israel doesn't consider itself a part of the ME region, even if they are geographically IN the region.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #357 on: May 31, 2011, 06:13:09 AM »
Quote from: Henny on May 31, 2011, 02:58:03 AM
Quote from: BT on May 31, 2011, 12:50:14 AM
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WHy wouldn't it include Israel?

Just a matter of labeling - Israel doesn't consider itself a part of the ME region, even if they are geographically IN the region.

That isn't the impression given by Netanyahos recent speech to the Congress.
"Isreal is what is Right with the Middle East!"

I think that they do consider themselves belonging there.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #358 on: May 31, 2011, 06:26:04 AM »
Quote from: Plane on May 31, 2011, 06:13:09 AM
Quote from: Henny on May 31, 2011, 02:58:03 AM
Quote from: BT on May 31, 2011, 12:50:14 AM
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Breakout Kings

WHy wouldn't it include Israel?

Just a matter of labeling - Israel doesn't consider itself a part of the ME region, even if they are geographically IN the region.

That isn't the impression given by Netanyahos recent speech to the Congress.
"Isreal is what is Right with the Middle East!"

I think that they do consider themselves belonging there.

Believe me they don't. Even from a business perspective, they snarl to be called a Middle Eastern country.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
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