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[Christians4LessGvt]

[sirs]

D'oh

[Xavier_Onassis]

The number of crazy gunman attacks on groups of people is the issue, not overall homicides.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Washington Free Beacon

Concealed Carrier Stops Kidnapping Attempt
"He saved all of us"
     
BY: Stephen Gutowski 

October 14, 2015



A Pennsylvania man used his concealed firearm to stop an attempted kidnapping near the northeastern town of Plymouth last monday.

An unidentified man who is now in police custody assaulted a local woman Katherine DeLuca outside a Quick & EZ Stop in Plymouth, Pennsylvania and tried to steal her car. However, when she refused to give up her car the man then ran into the road and tried to steal another woman's car. That car had two children in the back seat and the woman driving immediately began yelling for help as she was thrown to the ground.

"She was yelling, "My kids are in the car, my kids are in the car," DeLuca told the Times Leader.

It was at that point a local man named Rob Ragukus drew his concealed handgun and intervened. "I have a license to carry this gun, don't move," he reportedly said. Ragukus was able to hold the man at gun point until police arrived. No gunshots or serious injuries were reported from the incident.

The owner of the gas station, Mike Sharma, told the Leader that Ragukus was "the best man."

"He saved all of us," he said.

Ragukus said he was merely doing what anyone should do if they encounter a situation like he did. "I had to do what I had to do," Ragukus told the paper. "Its something everyone needs to do, step up and take back their town."

http://freebeacon.com/issues/concealed-carrier-stops-kidnapping-attempt/

[sirs]

And its CCW holders, along with law enforcement that are pivotal in minimizing the death toll from "crazy gunman attacks"

Notice how the professor never could be bothered to demonstrate what constitutes a "lazy" mass shooter, that registering supposedly would have addressed.  I wonder what % of mass shooters can be officially classified as "lazy"?

[Xavier_Onassis]

We would not know how many were too lazy to register until they were required to register. So the question cannot be answered.

[sirs]

So without a credible answer,  there's no justification to saddle millions of law abiding gun owners with such onerous extra level of bureaucracy,  and tax payers with even more mandates, and all predicated on trusting the Central Government in not abusing such a database of gun owners WHO AREN'T THE PROBLEM

[Christians4LessGvt]

[sirs]

[Xavier_Onassis]

Overall gun crimes are one thing, Mass killings in public places (schools, malls, theaters and churches) is something entirely different.

You show no statistics on the latter. But that is what this debate is REALLY about.

[sirs]

And guns aren't the problem, as you have demonstrated over and over, how registration wouldn't have stopped even one of these mass shootings.  The statistics on the latter HAVE been presented, in that their common denominator is that nearly all are desginated as "gun free zones", as if that stops a criminal from anything.  THAT's what this is about

[Xavier_Onassis]

You have claimed that crazy people could not be deprived of their guns and even that they should not be deprived of them until they have killed someone.

[sirs]

You have yet to demonstrate how to legally classify "crazy" before doing something crazy.  You realize we already have laws to prevent legally diagnosed mentally ill folks from legally purchasing firearms, right?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I realize that the laws do not work.

[sirs]

Registration would not make them work any better, since they're not legally cleared to purchase them in the 1st place