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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: kimba1 on April 28, 2015, 02:48:55 AM
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not gonna bother linking the news about Baltimore riots. just saying the damage cause will not a positive effect on the city no matter the outcome. a Newly opened CVS drugstore got destroyed and doubtful it`ll be rebuilt. lets just say recovery will not be swift. just pointing out nobody wins
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riots are not covered by insurance
are you sure about that?
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/08/12/ferguson-crisis-most-business-insurance-covers.html?page=all
http://www.propertycasualty360.com/2014/08/19/ferguson-coverage-for-riots-sure-but-what-about-ci
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Looting accomplishes nothing, except to terrify future administrations in such a way as to take serious measures to prevent future riots.
It really helps when cops cease to kill unarmed Black people.
The main motive for breaking into a liquor store and torching it is free booze for the looters. We should not see them as conscious agents for change.
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It really helps when cops cease to kill unarmed Black people.
Cops kill more white people than black people.
Plus in almost all of these instances the half-wit runs or is not cooperative with police,
you would think the dumb-asses would realize the danger (rightly or wrongly) in not cooperating with police.
My hands would be on the steering wheel, and it would be "Yes Sir" to whatever they ask.
"get on the ground"....yes sir!
"hands behind your back".....yes sir!
"stay in the car".....yes sir!
hands out of your pockets"....yes sir!
They'd pretty much all be alive had they been cooperative.
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While this does in no way justify any possible wrong-doing on the part of the police involved in his death,
let's keep in mind that the man Baltimore is currently rioting over, and Al Sharpton is marching over, was by no means a saint.
Here's The Rap Sheet Of The Guy They're Destroying Baltimore Over:
According to the Maryland Department of Justice, Freddie Gray had the 18 documented arrests below, at a minimum:
Freddie Gray Arrest Record:
March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp
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When Your Mom Finds Out You're Rioting in Baltimore, and Beats You on National TV.
"Mom of the Year"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgzGXM2Dqo
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I do not think that Freddy Gray was all that outstanding a citizen.
Nor does he seem to have been smart.
But again, these are not capital crimes. The police have to know that killing a Black kid is a very poor career move.
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All we heard after Ferguson was "racist city".
Baltimore:
Black Mayor
Black Police Commissioner
Black Deputy Commissioner
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Oh and a majority Black City Council:
http://www.baltimorecitycouncil.com/members.htm
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How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ
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"I'm not Black, I am an American"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuuUgN2Ic9Q
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So...if I grasp the template....riots in government/police leadership structure with whites, than it has to be racism. Riots in government/police leadership structure with blacks is.......an uprising? Help me out with the PC labeling, please
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The problem in Baltimore is not so much racism as it is social class. An arrest record throws a person into the lowest caste.
Once you have a criminal record, understandably, no one wants to hire you, other that to sell weed on the corner.
Again, the police have to try harder not to kill anyone in their custody. If they do, everyone suffers.
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The "problem" in nearly all these cases, is social class facilitated by Government policies that futher seperate classes. Then it becomes an inferred clearance to ignore police commands...until tragedy hits.
No idea of the circumstances that led to Gray's Spinal Cord injury, including how or when it happened, and who else was immediately present. Such an injury could occur from a fall or blunt force trauma. The investigation needs to be thorough, not fast. And emotionally charged accusations that the Police just like to kill anyone in their custody, do nothing but make things worse
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wow, riot is covered. pretty sure that coverage will be amended by now.
watching the news coverage right now. notice the riot tends to mainly loot and attack non-black businesses. meaning the true message is the town wants to be black only. they will get it`s wish
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Sad isn't it. All those years we heard of how it was whites who wanted segregation, "all white this, all white that". My, how up is down, and down is now up. MLK doing some more rolling in his grave :'(
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No idea of the circumstances that led to Gray's Spinal Cord injury
I have a gut feeling this guy was roughed up badly....he may have been an asshole to the cops.
probably was....but I think someone lost their temper with Freddie....and they killed him.
did he deserve to die? No..it's terrible what happened.
but when you're dealing with cops...you better cooperate.
Cops deal with the shit side of society on a daily basis.
Dealing with what they deal with...who is surprised some of them are mean short tempered crazies?
I am not excusing abuse....but it's going to happen.
So I take the attitude is NEVER give them an excuse to come down hard on you.
And I actually do appreciate them and what they deal with.
But of course there are nutty cops....and we don't know which one's are nuts...
So why take the chance and be a smart ass to them?
Yes Sir!
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I pretty much agree....especially on point of COMPLYING with police officers' instructions. That said, you have this battery of folks like Sharpton, JJ, and a whole host of politicians, that continue to infer that Blacks are somehow to get a pass at acting up, because....they were wrong for so many years, that they have some apparent right not to have to adhere to current law enforcement instructions. Because its apparently racist to give a black person a lawful order.
Until more detail comes out, its hard to even speculate. What is wholly NOT helpful is to continue to paint law enforcement as some agency bent on killing people, especially blacks. That just feeds the tension,.... to the point of boiling
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right now the citizens are actively preventing riots from happening. their forming a human barrier to prevent officers from being attacked. hope they get credit for it.
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Yeah, sirs thinks it is all Sharpton's fault.
I have NEVER heard Sharpton advocate violence.
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Yeah, sirs thinks it is all Sharpton's fault.
Right...because that's what I said........NOT
I have NEVER heard Sharpton advocate violence.
And no one claimed he has. What he does is stoke racial tension, accusing acts of racism, when there isn't any, and even later proved that there isn't any, but he still pushes it, which in turn ignites the ignorant into believing they're being attacked, and then they feel justified in responding. It has squat to do with Sharpton or any of his ilk advocating violence
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no racism
not agreeing about that. as somebody whose not black I do hear remarks when a black person leaves a room and observes differing attitudes toward them . overall not often and not to all blacks and to a degree caused by themselves. but I can imagine that ever constant feeling you have a touch of a disadvantage can wear on some people.
ex. Arthur Anderson a former major accounting firm s.f. had only one black secretary in the building. not saying it`s deliberate but these little instance will pile up on ones mind.
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I simply have to point to Ferguson, Kimba. There was absolutely noting racist in the actions of the police officer, and yet there were riots fueled by Sharpton's, and his ilk's calls for "justice"
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well not straight forward racism. all these situation to me do not seem to be directly caused by racism.
ferguson is a breaking point from all the other police related deaths. blacks are the primary race that will notice if an officer commits an offense but that riot grew into it`s momentum from other races that joined in and the chaos drowned out those people`s statement that they also fear police brutality. meaning bad cops do not exclusively beat blacks. we non-black crowds are abit more timid about this subject . remember a lot of the black protestors ask the white protestors to stop but it got out of hand
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well not straight forward racism.
As far as Ferguson goes, not even bent or curved racism. And yet there was Sharpton, and other race baiting minions, stoking the flames of some required element of justice (an indicment for murder, superimposed with a racist intention)
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You sure hate Sharpton.
Sharpton has never started a single riot.
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ex. Arthur Anderson a former major accounting firm s.f. had only one black secretary in the building.
And why is that?
Kimba honestly we have made several conscious efforts to hire black office staff....with ZERO luck.
Hired several....none worked out.
Could it happen if we kept trying?
Yeah maybe.
Are there blacks that could be great for us?
Of course there are....
But how much effort can a business spend to find a needle in a haystack?
We are a business and can not spend exorbitant amounts of time looking and looking.
We've got a full-time business to run and the challenges that brings.
We have hired lots of employees over the years.
A certain percentage are flakes and the flakes come in all colors.
We have found a few superstars, kept them, and paid them well.
All the superstars have thus far been white and hispanic.
We have some super-star black contractors, but when offered office jobs they wanna stay put as contractors.
So what is one to do?....To automatically assume it's due to racism is a silly conclusion.
Do you or anyone else really believe that had we found a black superstar
that we would not have kept them in our office because of their skin color?
That is laughable at best....
Hell we don't care if your skin is purple, green, or yellow as long as you show up everyday and work your ass off.
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You sure hate Sharpton.
I don't hate him at all. What I hate is when he's in front of a bunch of microphones, how he pushes racial tension and makes ludicrous racist accusations, minus any facts to back it up, which in turn ignites others to think they are justified in acting out.
Sharpton has never started a single riot.
Sure he has. Not with calls to riot, but with demands of "justice". What's worse, is that if there does come an event that's racially motivated, it won't have the credibility, because of all the times he's cried wolf. And don't even get me started on the plethora of acts where blacks have willfully attacked whites, based purely on race. Never once, have I heard him comdemn such acts
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No one starts riots by not denouncing people you dislike.
Everyone wants justice.
Since rightwing propagandists always condemn him, because he screwed up a generation ago about Tawana Brawley, you do the same. Monkey see, monkey do. You are legendary for your total lack of originality.
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No one starts riots by not denouncing people you dislike....Everyone wants justice.
When you perpetually accuse members of the police of largely being racist, and proclaiming their acts are facilitated by racism (MINUS ANY ACTUAL FACTS TO SUPPORT THE WRECKLESS ACCUSATION), then follow up with demands of justice......you get riots
Since rightwing propagandists always condemn him, because he screwed up a generation ago about Tawana Brawley, you do the same. Monkey see, monkey do. You are legendary for your total lack of originality.
Did you say something? Didn't think so. Yea, let's try to argue something completely disconnected from current reality. ::) That might be your SOP, not mine
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my conclusion is from the fact it is a large business located in san Francisco and the position is not something minorities cannot do. remember I also work in lawfirms which has plenty of black secretaries. so how does an major accounting firm has only one. it`s can`t be lack of skills sets. lawfirms has way more abusive workloads. Ive seen secretaries run crying down the hallways . the secretaries who are friends of mine are soo thick skin their not aware how tough the job is despite seeing others breaking down.
I`ll admit secretary is a position that`s not truly hired by the company but needs approval from the person who works with the secretaries so if person of color can`t fit at Arthur Anderson. which I find very strange I know of one attorney soo hard to work for they had get two secrtaries to work with him in alternate days. at Anderson I worked with an attorney easy to be with due to my background but I had to help calm his secretary due to her inexperience with lawyers. so my perspective is any other job is not very challenging for minorities to get.
one lawyer who I find likeable needed armed security twice. this is how crazy a lawfirm can get so to me a black secetray working for a accounting firm just don`t seem hard for her.
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It is very hard to loot Black businesses, since there are few of them. I know that here in Miami, I know of no Black owned businesses that sell flat screen TVs and stereos, liquor or other favorites of drunken looters.
The most successful tend to be of the sort that is not productive to loot: funeral homes, hair salons, places selling Black hair and beauty supplies. Looters are nearly all men, and it is not manly to steal relaxer and wigs for the girl friend: it means you are pussy-whipped.
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not sure about that. tv and stereo not likely but liquor without me looking I`m pretty their re quite afew businesses. on the news I remember black store owners saying they get a pass on looting due to them knowing the looters. but some do try to loot anyway
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I am pretty sure that the percentage of Black owned businesses is greater in SF than in Miami.
When we had riots here in Miami, the rioters burned down pretty much everything except a restaurant famous for soul food. It was, ironically, owned by a Jewish guy. But all the employees were Black.
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No one starts riots by not denouncing people you dislike.
Everyone wants justice.
Since rightwing propagandists always condemn him, because he screwed up a generation ago about Tawana Brawley, you do the same. Monkey see, monkey do. You are legendary for your total lack of originality.
I remember that.
Bill Cosby was also involved, but then she turned out to be a false accuser .
False accusation is a bane on all real victims, and any who would help victims.
Cosby was just as wrong as any that time, but he wasn't a one trick pony.
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I am not sure what you are referring to.
The riots in Miami occurred when a gang of cops beat a Black guy named Mc Duffy who was speeding on a motorcycle to death with flashlights.
They were all found innocent and were returned to their jobs.
Mc Duffy was a nephew of an office and colleague of mine, an accounting professor.
Liberty City, about 40 blocks S. of where I live, erupted.
I don't recall Cosby or Sharpton as being seriously involved.
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cosby pretty much went the opposite direction and started blasting parts of youth cultures for the problems. which made him more of a target for his problems today.
II`ll admit I agree with bill despite he`s the villain right now. seriously one of the most respected scientist in America is black and most likely the community does not acknowledge his existence or use him as a role model. he was even told in school not to pursue that field thinking it`s not helpful to the cause.
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http://www.upworthy.com/neil-degrasse-tyson-reveals-that-hes-been-black-his-whole-life-hilarity-and-wisdom-follow
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Cosby is a talented comedian, actor and educator, and his comments on how some Black people do dumb things like shoplift, riot and act out are entirely correct. His being a lech (as he is accused of being) does not make less talented or his comments less accurate. The fact that a person is an expert at one field does not make him a saint. Washington and Jefferson owned slaves, and perhaps Jefferson slept with a teenage Sally Hemmings in a situation that would be clearly child abuse today, and Sally seems to have borne his children. That does not mean that he was any less skilled at the many valuable and admirable things he did. The fact that a person has one or more character defects does not invalidate his qualities. I am pretty sure that Adolf Hitler was better at oil painting than I am. So was Dwight Eisenhower.
Summers might or might not be accurate in his theories about why there are so few women scientists and mathematicians. He has a right to have that opinion and to express it. But as Tyson says, to validate such a theory, we must first have a situation in society in which women have the same social attitudes towards their talents as men have. Until such time, there is not a valid scientific way to confirm his theory.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson is a brilliant and articulate scientist, and he is more brave that most about his beliefs. There are a lot of scientists that are atheists and do not dare to declare this publicly, as has Tyson. After having watched his version of "Cosmos", I think he did an even better job than did Carl Sagan. Of course, there have been scientific discoveries made in the intervening years about the size and age of the Universe that were unknown when Sagan produced his version. Sagan, being a scientist, would almost certainly agree that Tyson added to the value of the presentation, It is the nature of science to constantly add to the body of knowledge. And I do not mean to detract from the hundreds of people behind the scenes that contributed to make both versions of Cosmos so informative and enjoyable.
When I was in undergrad school at a Southern Baptist college in MO, the biology teacher, a Dr Gyer, dedicated one entire class to explaining his concept of the Theory of Evolution. His main example focused on how Parker fountain pens were superior to other brands that had gone before, and how this meant that Parker Fountain pens were sure to take over a larger share of the market, because they were easier to fill and held more ink and the nibs did not wear out so quickly. I assume that he dared not mention plants or dogs or God forbid, monkeys, chimps and humans, lest the preachers that served on the college Board of Trustees might get wind of him *gasp!*, being an evolutionist. The textbook for Bio 101 did mention DNA on about ten pages as I recall. There were nothing whatever on Dr. Gyer's exams or handouts about Natural Selection, Darwin or even fountain pens. Some scientists have more guts than others, and one has to respect that.
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Well made pens are a good illustration of intelligent design.
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I agree that there is a sort of connection between products and the evolution of biota.
What is most like the way pens were improved for specific purposes and qualities is the way humans changed their domestic animals, lie dogs, horses and livestock.