DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on January 23, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
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You guys gotta know by now I love making predictions
and I want to predict today that if we nominate Newt
we will lose the Nov. election & Obama will get 4 more years.
ya heard it here first!
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I've made up my mind. I'm throwing my hat behind whoever the GOP winner is.
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I've made up my mind. I'm throwing my hat behind whoever the GOP winner is.
me2!
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Gingrich is perfectly awful, and Romney isn't much better.
Gingrich is a crackpot fathead prima donna.
Romney is this "unemployed" guy who does not work, and yet pulls in $50K per DAY! He's the bloody poster child for the 1%.
Your sorry party is DOOMED.
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And if Obama wins, the country is DOOMED
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That is imbecilic. Obama has not damaged the country one whit in the past three years. He was surely a better choice than the phoney "maverick" McCain.
Get your pointy head out of your ass, sirs.
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LOL...ahh, I see, the only one allowed to make idiotic insultive proclamations aimed at politicians and those you disagree with, is yourself. gotcha
and speaking of pulling your head out of your obama-loving arse, the damage he's doing to this country with the policies he put in place, when he DID have his Democrat majority, is moving closer and closer to irrepairable
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the damage he's doing to this coutry with the policies he put in place, when he DID have his Democrat majority, is moving closer and closer to irrepairable
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/ItsZep/Politics/79653344.jpg)
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Need to rephrase that term "invested".
More accurately, taking Billions in TAX payer dollars, and trying to pick winners & losers, even going so far as to tilt the playing field with over zealous legislation & regulation aimed at "big oil" and the Gas Industry, while streamlining regulations and cutting red tape for his prescious "green energy" compainies.....and then they still go belly-up, with OUR TAX DOLLARS lost (except for Obama's big donators, who got 1st return of any return)
Crony socialism, at some of its worst
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I agree, the GOP nominates the Newtster, he will lose.
People loathe the creep.
Romney, poster child for the 1% will also likely lose.
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if we nominate Newt the election will be equally about Obama & Newt
if we nominate Mitt the election will mainly be about Obama
with such a disgraceful performance during the Obama 1st term
we need the election to be mainly about Obama (see below)
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Either way Obama wins.
BSB
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Either way Obama wins. BSB
Romney/Rubio or Romney/Christie will beat Obama.
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Either way Obama wins.
BSB
Bzzzzz.......wrong. Given the state of the country, and the policies that Obama and the Democrats put into place that have done nothing but make things worse, either beats Obama, though Romney does it by a far bigger margain
To coin a popular democrat phrase....."It's the economy, stupid"
Sirs
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Romney/Rubio or Romney/Christie will beat Obama.
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Unlikely that such a ticket will be nominated.
Unlikely that there will be such a combination.
Christie is very unlikely to run, Rubio only slightly less so.
You are aware of Rubio's unnatural citizenship, his drugpeddling brother and his war with Univision, aren't you?
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The drug peddler was his brother in law, 25 years ago.
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You are aware of Rubio's unnatural citizenship
I am aware that Marco Rubio was born in the United States in 1971
to parents that were here in the US legally that became citizens in
1975.
Most scholars think it's a pretty unusual position for anyone to think the
natural born citizen clause would exclude someone born in the U.S. to
parents in the country legally.
Would love to see how that works out for the DNC if they
court challenge a Hispanic born on US soil running as VP.
his drugpeddling brother and his war with Univision, aren't you?
Is that all ya got?
LOL
His brother like 25 years ago & a disgreement with a network he used to work at?
Pathetic....and funny....it's so desperate!
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Brother in law. Unlike Roger Clinton who was a stepbrother drug peddler.
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What exactly is the definition of someone with "unnatural citizenship", and how does Rubio qualify for such a label? Xo wouldn't be......dare I say.....wrong, on such a claim, would he?
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What exactly is the definition of someone with "unnatural citizenship",
and how does Rubio qualify for such a label?
it is up for interpretation
there is no doubt Marco Rubio was born in Florida in 1971 making him a US citizen
there might be some minor debate as to whether he is a "natural born citizen"
which is required by the US Constitution to serve as President.
but it isnt clear what a "natural born citizen" is & it was never clearly defined
Many would say Rubio would be covered under the 14th amendment:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside"
But ya see it does not specifically say "natural born citizens" it just says "citizens".
On other hand some think there are 2 types of citizens: natural and naturalized
and if you're born in this country, you're natural-born and qualified to be President.
SO XO is correct in claiming there is an issue....it's a fringe issue...but it's out there.
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I would not vote against Rubio because of his parents. I would vote against him because he is a typical Cuban rightwing politician, or as those in the know call them, a prick. Anyone who believes that somehow after 50 years the embargo is going to bring Castro down this year when all it did was give him an excuse for repression for the 49 previous years is simply none too bright.
He said he won't be a candidate. So did Christie. Christie is three or four times smarter than Rubio, but not as pretty.
The Newtster or Romney will have to pick someone else. I hardly think it will make any serious difference.
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XO
Why is it when you denigrate republicans the most frequent slur you use is that they are stupid. Do you actually believe that?
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Newt Gingrich in the White House. Now THAT's a scarey thought.
BSB
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Dollars to donuts says Newt is the Legacy type. If elected he'll do a good job, for the legacy.
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Newt Gingrich in the White House. Now THAT's a scarey thought.
BSB
Scareyier still is the current occupant remaining in power
Sirs
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"If elected he'll do a good job, for the legacy."
I have no doubt but what he'd try however the problem is, from what I've heard, Newt has been known to loose it. Just from watching him you can see his grandiosity. That's a form of loosing it right there. I don't think we want this guy in the oval office.
BSB
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Depends on what the real expectations of a president are.
Primarily they are communicators. Newt can do that, so can Obama when TOTUS is plugged in.
Mitt could do it too.
This whole idea of President as Superman is just spin anyway.
I don't think Newt will win in the long haul. The long knives are being unsheathed. But Mittens won't lock it up for a while and Ricky Santorum might make a comeback. Be interesting if it ends up a brokered convention.
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"This whole idea of President as Superman is just spin anyway."
The spin that a President is Superman comes mainly from a need the public has to believe someone can be, and is, in control. That's how dictators gain power. That's what allows for governing formations like Communism. "The state will take care of me". It's the fault of the citizenry. The fact that so much is beyond anyone's control scares people. Look at the changes the last 10, 11, years have brought.
To your point that Presidents are basically communicators. That's an important part of the job but we have had some real leaders in the White House who have had an idea of what they wanted to accomplish, and have been able to deliver. FDR being the last great example of that, and Reagan also to a certain extent. Obama has failed in both departments in my opinion but someone seemingly better has to come forward. With the possible exception of Romney, no one has. Romney has yet to convince me though, and it appears that there's a ceiling on how many others he can convince.
BSB
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The thought occurs to me that the Republican Primaries have been a failed attempt for a coalition of fatcats, wheeler-dealers and guys who overdosed on parochial schools and Christian academies to discover or perhaps create their own Putin.
Maybe Mitt & the Newtster, Santorum and Paul should go out in the woods, take off their shirts and shoot bears like Vladimir did.
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I think the myth of superman is the fault of the citizens and the press and the establishment.
The FDR did this or Reagan did that is shorthand for the executive branch did this or the executive did that and we bought and internalized the shorthand.
Communicating is a big part of the job, so is selling the vision du jour.
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Why is it when you denigrate republicans the most frequent slur you use is that they are stupid. Do you actually believe that?
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I believe that it is monumentally stupid in the extreme to believe that the Cuban embargo, which has not accomplished the removal of Castro since 1962, is likely to be useful now.
I believe that ignoring the FACTS about Global Climate Change is stupid.
I am convinced that Gingrich saying that by the end of his SECOND TERM, the US having a permanent manned base on the Moon is idiocy.
Perhaps the candidates are really not stupid and do not believe the idiocies they spew, but they certainly are stupid to believe that voters will believe the stupid things they say.
It is stupid for Romney to call himself "unemployed" when he is raking in $57,000 a DAY.
Santorum's beliefs that contraceptives are morally wrong is stupid.
Ron Paul's saying that he could abolish the Federal Reserve is stupid.
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I believe that it is monumentally stupid for Obama to say
"I've now been in 57 states, I think one left to go."
I believe that ignoring the FACTS about what his own Justice Department
did concerning operation Fast & Furious supplying guns to the Mexican Mafia
was insanely stupid.
I am convinced that Obama promining he would close Gitmo was either a lie or idiocy.
Perhaps the Obama and Biden are really not stupid and do not believe
the idiocies they spew, but they certainly are stupid to believe that voters will
believe the stupid things they say.
It is stupid for Obama to pretend he is against Wall Street when many of his
appointees were Wall Street guys that made tens if not hundreds of millions
of dollars in the years leading up to the Housing/Banking/Economic collapse.
Obama's statement that "USA producing more oil than ever before" is stupid.
http://petroleuminsights.blogspot.com/2011/04/us-crude-oil-production-1970-1980-1990.html (http://petroleuminsights.blogspot.com/2011/04/us-crude-oil-production-1970-1980-1990.html)
Obama saying that transparency would be a top priority, but his administration
refused to grant one-third of the Freedom of Information Act requests, according
to an Associated Press analysis. Obama was also dishonest and/or stupid
when he said that health-care negotiations would be televised on C-SPAN and that
he would wait five days to sign a bill so people would have a chance to read it online.
Obama coerced congress into passing his stimulus bill by promising that if it
were passed unemployment could go no higher then 8% which was a stupid
statment.
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Perhaps the candidates are really not stupid
That's what i think too.
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I am convinced that Obama promining(sic) he would close Gitmo was either a lie or idiocy.
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Congress was stupid for refusing to not funding or allowing the transfer of prisoners to the mainland.
You are stupid to blame him for something that he tried to do but was prevented from doing due to the stupidity of others.
We are currently viewing the stupidity of the Newtster and Romney in pointing out all the valif reasons why neither of them is fit to be elected president.
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Keeping in mind the FACT that Obama had the House his 1st 2 years, and could have closed Gitmo, in a heartbeat. Your efforts to paint this as something Obama had no control over rings acutely uncredible
Unless you're now on record as claiming the Democrats stupid, as well
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Congress was stupid for refusing to not funding or allowing the transfer of prisoners to the mainland.
You are stupid to blame him for something that he tried to do but was prevented from doing due to the stupidity of others.
No what is stupid is to promise what you cant deliver on,
(as Sirs said when you control both Houses of Congress)
and it's even more stupid to close something that works
perfect and bring those halfwits to the United States and
endanger American citizens who could be harmed by other
IslamoNazis trying to breakout the IslamoKlansmen.
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now thats funny SIRS!
Ha Ha....
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Obama did not control Congress. Like every president, he thought he would have more power than he actually had.
You cannot fault him for trying to close Guantanamo. He did all he could.
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Since you did not even want it closed, it is idiotic for you to criticize him for not closing it.
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So....you're saying the Democrats that controlled all of congress, those 1st 2 years, WERE that stupid?
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I am saying that some of the Democrats allowed themselves to be bullied by people who thought that somehow, Al Qaeda was powerful enough to spring prisoners from a maximum security prison, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Democrats do not always follow the party line sheepishly, as do Republicans.
In any case the President did all he could to close Guantanamo. it was not his fault that they would not allow him to close it.
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Democrats do not always follow the party line sheepishly, as do Republicans.
*spit..ROFL...snarf*.......Nearly fell off my chair after that one.
In any case the President did all he could to close Guantanamo. it was not his fault that they would not allow him to close it.
If he had, in those 1st 2 years, it'd be closed. Simple as that. So apparently the Democrats, and Obama were that stupid. Got it
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Gingrich couldn't appoint the right people to organize the construction of an outhouse let alone a colony on the moon. The guy is a pussy whipped conniver who's only asset at this point is that he doesn't have an asset making his nomination virtually impossible.
BSB
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Imagine Gingrich trying to decide if we should bomb bin Laden's compound or send in the Seals to assassinate him? He'd have to have his wife in the room so he could hold her hand. The guy would be an even dumber CIC than Bush II was and GW was the dumbest CIC we've ever had.
BSB
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::) Don't hold back, B....tell us how you really feel about Bush
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It seems just barely conceivable that the Newtser could get the nomination, buy the odds are against it. He didn't do well in the debate last night. There is perhaps a 1 in 5 chance he will win in FL. And he almost has to win here in order to get the nomination.
True, he is pussy whipped. True, he is a conniver. He is smarter than Juniorbush, but he also seems to have a gene that makes people hate his guts. He is generally a smartass and thinks he is the only genius in any room he occupies.
He would not be at all likely to beat Obama.